How many people in this forum stayed with Apple or left?

[theunderseaclub]

I've had my Mac Pro 6-core 3.33ghz since 2009, it's still going strong. It'll easily last another 3-4 years, I may install a dual cpu board and get a pair of 6-core chips. That's if I can find a system board or a MP cheap enough.

After 3-4 years, I'll see where I'm at. I may built a Hackintosh, though I like the look and design of the CMP way too much..

 

[huperniketes]

The question really is, what would another computer company have to provide for you to buy their system (being a non-Mac, non-Windows machine, obviously).

 

[grahamperrin]

what would another computer company have to provide for you to buy their system

For starters: a better than average web site, one that inspires confidence.

(I would never buy an HP computer.)

 

[JesterJJZ]

(I would never buy an HP computer.)

If they made a Z840 that ran OSX I would in a heartbeat.

 

[bgd]

All Apple hardware but I've recently put Mint (Linux) onto an early MBA. The MBA had become unusable due to system jobs maxing out the CPU. Could never work out the cause. Was going to junk it when I decided to try Mint. Now it's my main machine and I can even run Windows in a VM. Quite the revaluation.

 

[huperniketes]

For starters: a better than average web site, one that inspires confidence.

(I would never buy an HP computer.)

Maybe we should aim lower and start with developing a clone OS first.

If they made a Z840 that ran OSX I would in a heartbeat.

It can run Linux. Can it run PureDarwin?

 

[jjhny]

If they made a Z840 that ran OSX I would in a heartbeat.

That is what I am starting to think. I just need the fastest machine possible. Apple has missed so many sales by not updating their computers. I like mac OS, prefer it for many reasons, but they have got to get it together on hardware soon! Seriously, what is wrong with them - just spin off a high-end computer division, it would pay for itself and be priceless in goodwill.

 

[pat500000]

So, are people more worried about spec or osx?

 

[UAV]

So, are people more worried about spec or osx?

me personally it's not really about the spec race. i'm have a small business i need a phone that's going to get the job done period. time is money with me and if phone can't do what i need it to do. then im loosing money. the problem for me with the iphone is that not all my clients are going to be apple people so i need a phone that works across all platforms. and has that synergy and the iphone does not have synergy. i will take synergy everyday of the week over ecosystem.

 

[pat500000]

me personally it's not really about the spec race. i'm have a small business i need a phone that's going to get the job done period. time is money with me and if phone can't do what i need it to do. then im loosing money. the problem for me with the iphone is that not all my clients are going to be apple people so i need a phone that works across all platforms. and has that synergy and the iphone does not have synergy. i will take synergy everyday of the week over ecosystem.

Yeah, in your case you would need universal type.

 

[grahamperrin]

spec or osx?

The operating system. I'm glad that I began switching so soon after realising Apple's change of direction.

The MacBookPro5,2 that was previously my workhorse with Mavericks has been untouched, under a table, since I found data corruption a few months ago. When I first set it aside I thought, I really should get a replacement very quickly; I felt not quite ready to go completely without OS X.

As things turned out, I was ready. Just occasionally I boot macOS on a MacBookPro8,2 but I rarely touch the OS. Later this year I'll probably migrate data from the MacBookPro5,2.

Today for the first time I feel that I have properly 'left' Apple, it's around a year sooner than I expected and the word is probably 'nonchalant'.

 

[Ursadorable]

I'm kinda Mac and PC.

I want to buy a new Mac Pro.. but their current offering is a joke. I ended up buying a Mac Mini as stopgap. I don't want an iMac, I want to use my own choice of monitor. I want a Mac Pro I can upgrade without to resorting to a mess of external boxes.

 

[PowerGala]

Apple just makes it so hard for people like me to buy their Macs. Actually, we just got rid of our last Mac at our company this year when I was thinking about buying 4 for this year.

The problem is that they're just not very fixable and don't meet my needs. The first Mac was going to be a little MacBook Air that I was going to take with me to a conference that would replace my old Dell Laptop. It didn't need to be super powerful as I wasn't making any presentations, but I didn't want to pay a premium for an old laptop. Right now the MacBook Air is almost 1.5 years old and it has worse specs than my Dell. With my Dell I was able to upgrade my RAM from 4GBs to 16GBs while the RAM is soldered into the board of the Mac, which really bothers me since this is an upgrade that's very easy and fun to do. The only reason I was thinking about buying a new Laptop is because the screen on my Dell was busted. I could fix the Dell easily myself, but from what I gathered it seems like Apple decided to use proprietary parts / tools so I would have to pay them a lot of money for a repair that I could easily do myself on my Dell for about $50. They also did the same thing with the batteries. With the Dell I can just pick up a new battery online and pop it in while with the Apple it's not so easy. I was expecting a refresh before the conference, but that didn't happen. So I picked up a new screen for my Dell and replaced it at the conference instead of buying a new Macintosh.

The MacBook Air was cute, but I don't really want a $1000 throwaway computer.

With the Windows 10 upgrade we've run into a few snags which made me think about picking up two new iMacs. Now the iMac has the same problems. The computers they're selling are kind of old and they'd be a giant pain in the rear for me to fix. What cemented it for one computer is that the Mac would be in the warehouse and the iMac has relatively low heat tolerance when compared to the HP we're using now, so I just fixed the HP. We were having trouble with the HP seeing all of the printers it was hooked up to. We were using a HUB to get more USBs, which ended up being the culprit. I installed a new PCI card into the PC and now it plays nice with all of the printers. With the iMac I can't even install a PCI card. I was also exploring options for the payroll computer since the payroll company doesn't accept Windows 10. The payroll person is adamant about not changing anything, so with all of the other issues we decided to just leave her on Windows 7 and we'll figure something out by 2019. -

We were also looking into getting a MacPro for the art department, but they're so freaking expensive and they're just old. It's also not easily expandable so it wouldn't be a long-term solution. ...I seriously miss the days of the PowerMac.

Finally, we buy about 10-15 iPhones a year for our salespeople. However, this year with the removal of the headphone jack looking to be imminent, we may have to switch over to Samsungs. It's not because the salespeople use their headphones all the time, it's because they use them to swipe credit cards when we're at a conference. The Square Readers need headphone jacks and while there is a wireless chip/ApplePay option, we still need those card readers. I know the salespeople like their iPhones, so I guess we're just going to have to see what happens in September.

At home I still have an iMac and an iPhone, but the Mac isn't my primary. My Alienware just does more at a cheaper cost and it's user upgradable. I wish Apple would sell me a thicker iMac that would let me actually open it up easily and repair/replace stuff. I wish Apple would sell me a Tower instead of a trashcan so I can put in new cards. I wish Apple would stop removing features that I use and I wish Apple would stop making it so damn difficult to justify buying their products.

 

[iMcLovin]

So I have finally decided to jump ship and just ordered a PC.
So, Im selling my 5K maxed out iMac with 1tb SSD in exchange for a PC I will build myself. I just want to know I have a powerful machine I can use for rendering in 3d, after effects with Element 3d etc, etc..

So I expect with the resell value of the iMac and that I write this new machine off as a company expense, I will pretty much go in zero.
And instead of the iMac I get:
Intel 6 Core i7-6850K 3,6 ghz (I dont need Xeons)
GTX 1080
1 tb SSD
128gb of DDR4 2400MHz RAM
Motherboard with built in Wifi and bluetooth and thunderbolt
12 gb of extra HDD storage with NAND flash
ASUS 32" PA329Q 4K screen
a white and none-intrusive NZXT H440 chassis

and the best thing is the entire thing will be completely silent. While my iMac fans starts pumping air like crazy just playing the simplest games or using windows through Virtual Desktop.
So I get a machine were all storage is inside, the box will stay hidden, and just huge screen is visible. No noise and a machine thats mutiple times faster than my iMac in every way. All ending up in about the same pricerange of a maxed out iMac. That just goes to prove how much Apple is charging for the brand and nice aluminum body.

Of course I loose the chance to work in OS X, which is a shame, but I no longer need to wait for apples mysterious release dates and I can replace parts if they ever break myself without sending the machine i for repair. Going to miss OS X though, I gotta admit, but there pros and cons to both solutions. But lately I just feel theres more cons to stick with apple than pros.

 

[lowendlinux]

So I have finally decided to jump ship and just ordered a PC.
So, Im selling my 5K maxed out iMac with 1tb SSD in exchange for a PC I will build myself. I just want to know I have a powerful machine I can use for rendering in 3d, after effects with Element 3d etc, etc..

So I expect with the resell value of the iMac and that I write this new machine off as a company expense, I will pretty much go in zero.
And instead of the iMac I get:
Intel 6 Core i7-6850K 3,6 ghz (I dont need Xeons)
GTX 1080
1 tb SSD
128gb of DDR4 2400MHz RAM
Motherboard with built in Wifi and bluetooth and thunderbolt
12 gb of extra HDD storage with NAND flash
ASUS 32" PA329Q 4K screen
a white and none-intrusive NZXT H440 chassis

and the best thing is the entire thing will be completely silent. While my iMac fans starts pumping air like crazy just playing the simplest games or using windows through Virtual Desktop.
So I get a machine were all storage is inside, the box will stay hidden, and just huge screen is visible. No noise and a machine thats mutiple times faster than my iMac in every way. All ending up in about the same pricerange of a maxed out iMac. That just goes to prove how much Apple is charging for the brand and nice aluminum body.

Of course I loose the chance to work in OS X, which is a shame, but I no longer need to wait for apples mysterious release dates and I can replace parts if they ever break myself without sending the machine i for repair. Going to miss OS X though, I gotta admit, but there pros and cons to both solutions. But lately I just feel theres more cons to stick with apple than pros.

I wouldn't bet to much on the silent with that case if you're going to run stock fans. Silent is hard and quite expensive I've gotten as close to silent as possible but I've got about a $100 just in fans and a case that absorbs what noise is left. If silence id the objective then look at the bequiet! silent base 800 or 900 and really take a peak at your power supply afterwards.

Post Your Windows Setup: Past & Present!

 

[iMcLovin]

I wouldn't bet to much on the silent with that case if you're going to run stock fans. Silent is hard and quite expensive I've gotten as close to silent as possible but I've got about a $100 just in fans and a case that absorbs what noise is left. If silence id the objective then look at the bequiet! silent base 800 or 900 and really take a peak at your power supply afterwards.

Post Your Windows Setup: Past & Present!

No of course I've read closely up on all the hardware to get it silent. So no stock fans and not the gtx 1080 founders edition. I've picked components carefully- just didn't bother to list those things.

Of course silent is objective. I don't expect it to be "completely" silent. I'm happy if it stays around 30-40 dbs. My iMac is silent in my ears but only when it doesn't do anything except browsing etc. I hope this machine can handle quite a bit more before it starts blowing air like crazy.

 

[pat500000]

So I have finally decided to jump ship and just ordered a PC.
So, Im selling my 5K maxed out iMac with 1tb SSD in exchange for a PC I will build myself. I just want to know I have a powerful machine I can use for rendering in 3d, after effects with Element 3d etc, etc..

So I expect with the resell value of the iMac and that I write this new machine off as a company expense, I will pretty much go in zero.
And instead of the iMac I get:
Intel 6 Core i7-6850K 3,6 ghz (I dont need Xeons)
GTX 1080
1 tb SSD
128gb of DDR4 2400MHz RAM
Motherboard with built in Wifi and bluetooth and thunderbolt
12 gb of extra HDD storage with NAND flash
ASUS 32" PA329Q 4K screen
a white and none-intrusive NZXT H440 chassis

and the best thing is the entire thing will be completely silent. While my iMac fans starts pumping air like crazy just playing the simplest games or using windows through Virtual Desktop.
So I get a machine were all storage is inside, the box will stay hidden, and just huge screen is visible. No noise and a machine thats mutiple times faster than my iMac in every way. All ending up in about the same pricerange of a maxed out iMac. That just goes to prove how much Apple is charging for the brand and nice aluminum body.

Of course I loose the chance to work in OS X, which is a shame, but I no longer need to wait for apples mysterious release dates and I can replace parts if they ever break myself without sending the machine i for repair. Going to miss OS X though, I gotta admit, but there pros and cons to both solutions. But lately I just feel theres more cons to stick with apple than pros.

If Apple is going to affect you in work wise...it's better to jump ship.

 

[grsc3p0]

As my Apple stuff became 'old' tech it was sold off. If they don't update to latest tech (e.g. Mac Mini!) then I simply buy from another company. I've now sold 3 X ipads, 3 Mac minis and a Mac Pro 2013. Only an iPhone remains. If they produce a new powerful non-crippled Mac Mini then I will buy again, otherwise there are many small PC alternatives. I like Mac OS X but am now forced to use Windows again.

 

[Atisha]

So I expect with the resell value of the iMac and that I write this new machine off as a company expense, I will pretty much go in zero.
And instead of the iMac I get:
Intel 6 Core i7-6850K 3,6 ghz (I dont need Xeons)
GTX 1080
1 tb SSD
128gb of DDR4 2400MHz RAM
Motherboard with built in Wifi and bluetooth and thunderbolt
12 gb of extra HDD storage with NAND flash
ASUS 32" PA329Q 4K screen
a white and none-intrusive NZXT H440 chassis

FYI 3200mhz RAM is much cheaper now, I got it when I built a PC a few weeks ago. It usually requires setting it to 3200mhz in the bios. If one goes that route it's just important to check to see if the manufacturer's 3200mhz RAM works with the motherboard because some people had issues. I brought it up because the speed increase doesn't help me much, but for editing and 3d rendering it probably will help. Sandisk and PNY have really cheap 960gb ssds through SATA 3, but for a scratch disk or OS the PCI-E SSDs are up to 3x faster. Seems like a cool system, congrats.

 

[handsome pete]

So I have finally decided to jump ship and just ordered a PC.
So, Im selling my 5K maxed out iMac with 1tb SSD in exchange for a PC I will build myself. I just want to know I have a powerful machine I can use for rendering in 3d, after effects with Element 3d etc, etc..

I made the jump right around the holidays last year. I really liked the new MacPro design when they introduced it but wasn't ready to pull the plug on it at the time. When I revisited it last year (spending a lot of time on this forum) I just started gravitating to a Windows build. A bunch of things played into the decision. The uncertainty of Apple's upgrade schedule, the allure of building a machine from scratch, and the fact that there's really no OSX-only software that I would miss. I would have liked to keep FCPX around (and maybe Logic), but Adobe and Autodesk fill my absolute needs. And while I preferred OSX, I'm perfectly happy with Windows 10.

The build has worked out great so far and was fun to do. My only gripe with the PC DIY community is the dearth of subtle/elegant chassis design. Sure, there are some out there and I'm happy with the one I settled on, but that was probably the toughest component to pick out.

 

[iMcLovin]

FYI 3200mhz RAM is much cheaper now, I got it when I built a PC a few weeks ago. It usually requires setting it to 3200mhz in the bios. If one goes that route it's just important to check to see if the manufacturer's 3200mhz RAM works with the motherboard because some people had issues. I brought it up because the speed increase doesn't help me much, but for editing and 3d rendering it probably will help. Sandisk and PNY have really cheap 960gb ssds through SATA 3, but for a scratch disk or OS the PCI-E SSDs are up to 3x faster. Seems like a cool system, congrats.

Yeah, but I wanted a boatload of ram this time. And when packing 128 gb of ram in the machine, it became quite expensive with faster ram. Anyway, its still more than my DDR3 1600 which I have in my iMac, so I think I'll be fine If not, the beaty is I can just upgrade ram again at a later point
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I made the jump right around the holidays last year. I really liked the new MacPro design when they introduced it but wasn't ready to pull the plug on it at the time. When I revisited it last year (spending a lot of time on this forum) I just started gravitating to a Windows build. A bunch of things played into the decision. The uncertainty of Apple's upgrade schedule, the allure of building a machine from scratch, and the fact that there's really no OSX-only software that I would miss. I would have liked to keep FCPX around (and maybe Logic), but Adobe and Autodesk fill my absolute needs. And while I preferred OSX, I'm perfectly happy with Windows 10.

The build has worked out great so far and was fun to do. My only gripe with the PC DIY community is the dearth of subtle/elegant chassis design. Sure, there are some out there and I'm happy with the one I settled on, but that was probably the toughest component to pick out.

Yeah I look forward to it too. And honestly Win 10 is quite nice I think. Not OSX but not far from it. Its mostly the communication between Apple devices I will miss the most. But its not something I can live without. Maybe this will encourage me to try something else on phones etc in the future. Apple is digging their own grave these days. THey dont have any pro machines, except the nMP which is completely overpriced, old and not very useful tbh. Once you connect all the stuff you need to it, its less pretty than a pc box.

 

[pcd109]

I am using macs since OS7 but I jumped ship 2 years ago after i seen the trash can. I do 3d graphics and i need dual Xeons; i can't justify the price for the 12 core. The trash can ended up being about 50% more expensive than the old graters so just had enough with Apple. Purchased a dual Xeon dell precision with nvidia quadro and never looked back. Will buy a new dell dual 16 core next year and this one will go into render farm, so it's perfect for me. I still have a hackintosh and a mac mini, but hardly use them any more. Do i like Windows after all this years with Apple? NO, and i guess i will never will. But i also don't like the direction macOS is heading with all this facebook and other bs into the main OS. They just don't focus on work anymore, so this was my main reason to switch. Machines are overpriced and parts soldered so can't justify a purchase any longer. It's like 90's all over again. I remember just how good power macs where and just how solid the OS. I would have not touched a windows system with a stick from 5 meters away. Now i am probably gone forever on the dark side......

 

[Synchro3]

I just ordered a MVC GTX Titan X and an ASUS PB279Q 4K UHD monitor, supports DP 1.2, 10 Bit color/HDR and SST: https://www.asus.com/us/Monitors/PB279Q/ Has internal loudspeakers too.

With this 4K upgrade the cMP will last another 3-4 years, since Apple has nothing interesting to offer. Using the cMP for Windows 7, 10 and OS X.

 

[SaxPlayer]

Despite the fact that my 2013 Mac Pro is old tech, I still love the machine. Would I buy one now? Not on your life - it's too old by today's standards. But would I buy a PC? Nope. The hardware may be more up to date, but whichever way you look at it, it still runs Windows. I have to sit at my computer all day and despite its faults, for me OS X is just a nicer experience than Windows. The fact it's Unix underneath with all the added benefits that brings (think security for starters) and it's a no brainer, frankly.

My 2013 Mac Pro will be 3 years old in the new year but still flies. It does everything I want it to do, very quickly and silently. At the end of the day, it does the job. Well. So I'm happy. If there comes a time when my computer is starting to get sluggish, I still wouldn't switch to a PC. I'd rather give up technology and do a Reggie Perrin. However the day when my nMP is slow is a long, looooong way in the future.

Having said all that. FOR **** SAKE APPLE - UPDATE THE HARDWARE!

 

[Shamgar]

I've been getting more into high end PC gaming lately, and finally started to hit too many limits of even a tricked out cMP. So I've ordered the parts for a custom gaming rig. The cMP will live alongside it for a while; I'm still invested in OS X software. But if Nvidia does ship Mac Pascal drivers (fingers crossed), everything else in the build is hackintosh ready. Even then, I still intend to get more familiar with Windows 10 and become more platform agnostic.