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rui no onna

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I'm hoping $200 or less. That'll put the 11" at $999 without accessories. Considering the M1 MacBook Air 8/256 is $999, more than that seems way too much.
 

HerbertDerb

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Given that the Pro 13" M1 is 1479€ here, if 12.9" ipad pro will go over that (over 1500€). Its too much imo
 
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muzzy996

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Personally I've of the opinion that the cost of the 2018/2020 iPP 12.9's is TGDH as it is which is why I've kept my gen 2 for so long. . so I'm hoping that the cost won't change . . Hope for the best, expect the worst LOL.
 

rui no onna

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Personally I've of the opinion that the cost of the 2018/2020 iPP 12.9's is TGDH as it is which is why I've kept my gen 2 for so long. . so I'm hoping that the cost won't change . . Hope for the best, expect the worst LOL.

Same.

On 2nd gen 12.9, we got an upgrade from 256GB to 512GB in top tier for same price ($1099 WiFi, $1229 LTE) on top of all the other improvements. That was nice.

Meanwhile, the 3rd gen 12.9 was +$200 extra on base MSRP +$450 extra for top storage +$20 extra for cellular or around $650-670 more for top of the range ($1749 WiFi, $1899 LTE).

Apple did reduce pricing for storage tiers on the 2020 iPad Pros, particularly on 1TB. I'm hoping Apple sticks to the 2020 pricing but I'm budgeting for the 2018 1TB Cellular launch price just in case.
 

profets

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My main concern is the mini-led, mini-led monitors costs 2000$+

Geez is that for real? I had no clue.

Am I correct in assuming that mini LED is an increase in the number of backlight zones for an LCD display?

I’m sure it’ll be a nice improvement for the display and likely improve HDR and contrast. But I can’t imagine it being worth another increase in price for the iPad Pro.

Wasn’t the first few generations of the 12.9” 799 USD? And now its 999?

599 iPad Air
799 iPad Pro 11
999 iPad Pro 12.9

I can’t see the base price jumping. I hope not at least LOL.
 

Digitalguy

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My main concern is the mini-led, mini-led monitors costs 2000$+
this means nothing, a monitor is much, much bigger...
OLED is also very expensive but smaller devices don't cost double because of that... Samsung prices the OLED Tab S7+ 12,4in at $850, so Apple could actually not increase prices at all.
The only scenario in which I see a price increase is if they release only the 12.9 with mini-led and the 11in with IPS, at that point a slight price increase makes sense (as Samsung did with the Tab S7 vs S7+)
But at most, it will be $100, no more...
 

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Given that the Pro 13" M1 is 1479€ here, if 12.9" ipad pro will go over that (over 1500€). Its too much imo
My feeling is that the M1 MacBook Air/Pro ($999/1199) are an anomaly. Its a new chip but uses the old design so it had an enormous performance leap but they couldn’t get away with raising the price. So it unintentionally became a rare value.

A newly redesigned Mac is another story. Now they can gimmick the heck out of it and jack up the prices of the 14” and 16” MacBook Pros. And that makes room for an iPad Pro price hike.
 
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Falhófnir

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Hoping for a modest(ish) $100 to $1,099 but might well be a more substantial bump to $1,299, depending on other factors (e.g. if it's positioned as a top end device over and above the existing models it might come with more RAM and more storage as standard).
 
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Zazoh

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It costs them $391 or something like that to make. They usually try to keep prices the same. iPhone is the test market tho, and the price for the Pro Max is more than a 12.9 Pro. So they may raise it just because we are willing to pay these prices.
 

Osamede

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I don't think they'll raise the price, but that is just what I think.
Ok here’s some perspective for you:

iPad Pro 12.9 2020 top spec model vs 2018 top spec model is a 10% price difference, but only “upgrade” is camera basically.

However the biggest price/cost item in the bill of parts is the display. And these are bleeding edge micro led displays.

Then you layer on Apple’s “tax” ie oversize margin on everything.

I think we could be looking at a 25% price hike.
 
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Digitalguy

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Ok here’s some perspective for you:

iPad Pro 12.9 2020 top spec model vs 2018 top spec model is a 10% price difference, but only “upgrade” is camera basically.

However the biggest price/cost item in the bill of parts is the display. And these are bleeding edge micro led displays.

Then you layer on Apple’s “tax” ie oversize margin on everything.

I think we could be looking at a 25% price hike.
Microphones were upgraded too. Having said that, 2018 is not on sale anymore from Apple, it's just stores getting rid of it, 2020 normal price was even lower for the top spec than 2018
 
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Any substantial price increase is highly unlikely. If there was some sort of huge demand for mini-LED displays, then they can bump the price, but since most users won't care, they won't see the value in paying a lot more to have it. Generally, increases in performance (of whatever kind) tend to be part of the lure to buy a new unit, but with Apple it's usually, "Better performance than last year's model at the same or slightly higher price."

New technologies are by their nature more expensive. That's one of the reasons Apple often skips a year or two between some other manufacturer's introduction of that tech to the time Apple brings out its first model with that same tech - in that time the cost of manufacture has come down to where it can be incorporated without major impact on price.

Now, if Apple were to introduce an all-new, "Super-Pro" with a range of enhancements, then they can bundle an ultra-expensive display into the higher price. Under those conditions, yes, $200 more for Super-Pro over Pro seems reasonable.
 

Osamede

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Microphones were upgraded too. Having said that, 2018 is not on sale anymore from Apple, it's just stores getting rid of it, 2020 normal price was even lower for the top spec than 2018
“Upgraded”? Nah minor change and probably zero impact on the components cost. Same as the CPU. It’s just not even worth discussing as a price argument.

Here Apple is about to incur an increase in cost of components in order to elevate the user experience. So it’s a step change they are aiming got. Hell yeah they are going to ask for more money. That’s why they go for the risk and efforts involved in step change - to increase margins.
 

Digitalguy

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“Upgraded”? Nah minor change and probably zero impact on the components cost. Same as the CPU. It’s just not even worth discussing as a price argument.

Here Apple is about to incur an increase in cost of components in order to elevate the user experience. So it’s a step change they are aiming got. Hell yeah they are going to ask for more money. That’s why they go for the risk and efforts involved in step change - to increase margins.
I disagree with this opinion... Apple does not always look at margins on a specific model as their main objective. They have been improving the base iPad year after year and still keeping the price stable. They didn't need to do that, they could have just skipped updating it every other year, they would have still sold a lot of them, but margins were not the only priority.. They wanted to keep the 1 year upgrades cycle. Same thing with the pro, they probably wanted to keep the 1.5 year upgrade and technology was not ready in March (A14X was note ready and A13X was never an option, miniled was not ready either). So they bumped the RAM, bumped the base storage, and made the other storage upgrades cheaper (plus camera, small increase in GPU and mikes). You are taking the example of the 2018 1TB to make your point, but very few people buy that, while the 6GB RAM are for the entire line now... And kept the price unchanged. This was never a matter of margins. A CPU upgrade will not change costs for them, all the more so with the new Macs... The only possibility is mini-led, but that will not alone justify hundreds of dollars more.
So the assumption that there will be a significant price increase is flawed in my opinion.
 

Falhófnir

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Any substantial price increase is highly unlikely. If there was some sort of huge demand for mini-LED displays, then they can bump the price, but since most users won't care, they won't see the value in paying a lot more to have it. Generally, increases in performance (of whatever kind) tend to be part of the lure to buy a new unit, but with Apple it's usually, "Better performance than last year's model at the same or slightly higher price."

New technologies are by their nature more expensive. That's one of the reasons Apple often skips a year or two between some other manufacturer's introduction of that tech to the time Apple brings out its first model with that same tech - in that time the cost of manufacture has come down to where it can be incorporated without major impact on price.

Now, if Apple were to introduce an all-new, "Super-Pro" with a range of enhancements, then they can bundle an ultra-expensive display into the higher price. Under those conditions, yes, $200 more for Super-Pro over Pro seems reasonable.
That seems to be what recent rumours suggest. The existing 11 and 12.9 models will both be updated with the A14X, and the mini LED model will sit above as a new higher-end option. I could see $1,299 the same as the base MacBook Pro for the 'iPad Pro XDR' but maybe it will come with 8GB RAM and start with 256GB storage rather than 128.
 

Osamede

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That seems to be what recent rumours suggest. The existing 11 and 12.9 models will both be updated with the A14X, and the mini LED model will sit above as a new higher-end option. I could see $1,299 the same as the base MacBook Pro for the 'iPad Pro XDR' but maybe it will come with 8GB RAM and start with 256GB storage rather than 128.
Because it’s going to be a single 12” model that will replace both current 12.9 and 11 inch models, which are kept warmed over for the second year in a roW, as they are being phased out. And will be proportionalLy more expensive.

By 2022, the 11 and 12.9 will be gone and the only Pro model is the 12” one, at high price point and high margins. Targeted purely those who can afford it. Everyone else can look to the Air4 for min range or the base IPad for value and entry level into the ecosystem.

2023 or 2024, the iPad mini gets the miniLED, unicorn crusting, “pro’ label and price tag hike too.
 
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masotime

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$100 price drop.
Personally I've of the opinion that the cost of the 2018/2020 iPP 12.9's is TGDH as it is which is why I've kept my gen 2 for so long. . so I'm hoping that the cost won't change . . Hope for the best, expect the worst LOL.
What is “TGDH”?
 

Seanm87

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Personally I don’t think they should raise the price at all. They are all already WAY overpriced and if you include magic keyboard they’re more expensive than a MBA.

Will they though? Probably, but I would say by 50-100 tops.
 

Digitalguy

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Personally I don’t think they should raise the price at all. They are all already WAY overpriced and if you include magic keyboard they’re more expensive than a MBA.

Will they though? Probably, but I would say by 50-100 tops.
Exactly, margins are already huge with the pro and its accessories, and Samsung has OLED tablets that are already better than mini-led for $150 cheaper, so mini-led does not justify any significant price increase, even $100 seems exaggerated for a technology that is not even as good as OLED...
 
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