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daneoni

macrumors G4
Mar 24, 2006
11,844
1,579
Great hardware, but the fact that it's running Android (with a skin) means its a no-go for me.
 

ipadfreak

macrumors regular
Original poster
Mar 29, 2010
206
3
Well that's to the people who actually answered my question... And I love how most people who commented on this said they hated posts like this, yet they wasted a minute or two posting.l:D
 

lordofthereef

macrumors G5
Nov 29, 2011
13,161
3,721
Boston, MA
Well that's to the people who actually answered my question... And I love how most people who commented on this said they hated posts like this, yet they wasted a minute or two posting.l:D

+1 brother. Except they have wasted a lot more than a minute or two posting when they are the ones posting THE MOST in the thread.

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LOL

Only an Android user conditioned not to expect them and trying to cope with it would even ask this. If updates weren't important, why would Google spend so much time, money and resources building them? You think they have nothing better to do?

I am not defending that updates don't matter (that is silly). But I will say there are a lot of people out there that buy a phone for what it does, TODAY, and don't expect anything more from it. With our current mobile OSs, very little functionality is actually added into the OS before a full version update. As such, the .x.x version updates are, for most people, inconsequential. For those that absolutely need version updates when they launch, they are probably looking into it (researching) and there are certainly options for them. Are they as easy as updating iOS? In my opinion, no. That said, I have almost never found reason to update iOS more often than yearly anyway. As I mentioned, very little actual functionality (if any at all) is added before full version updates anyway.

I am currently on 5.0.1 and my fiance is on 5.1. I literally have no reason to update (granted I want to preserve my jailbreak). If photostream really bothered me, that would just about be the only thing I would update for.
 

mbell1975

macrumors 6502a
Mar 17, 2012
737
0
Its hardly been out a few days and there are already issues, shocking! Here comes Android's fragmentation back to bite them in the butt again :rolleyes:

According to reps from both companies, some of these issues can be due to app compatibility, as it is quite common that certain apps aren't always compatible with new processors, especially when you consider it's one of the first phones to run a quad core chipset.

http://www.androidpit.com/en/android/blog/404185/htc-one-x
 

mbell1975

macrumors 6502a
Mar 17, 2012
737
0
I am not defending that updates don't matter (that is silly). But I will say there are a lot of people out there that buy a phone for what it does, TODAY, and don't expect anything more from it. With our current mobile OSs, very little functionality is actually added into the OS before a full version update. As such, the .x.x version updates are, for most people, inconsequential. For those that absolutely need version updates when they launch, they are probably looking into it (researching) and there are certainly options for them. Are they as easy as updating iOS? In my opinion, no. That said, I have almost never found reason to update iOS more often than yearly anyway. As I mentioned, very little actual functionality (if any at all) is added before full version updates anyway.

I am currently on 5.0.1 and my fiance is on 5.1. I literally have no reason to update (granted I want to preserve my jailbreak). If photostream really bothered me, that would just about be the only thing I would update for.

Again, Google doesn't waste time, money and resources on building updates to their OS for fun. Although the uninformed user may not see a need to update, many updates include better battery performance (which right there should make every Android user want to upgrade) optimization of the OS, security updates etc...They may not be major updates but useful nonetheless. Here is just one example of what got fixed on the Incredible with GB 2.3.4 Again, while not a major update, you wouldn't want these fixes to your phone?

http://androidandme.com/2011/08/news/android-2-3-4-gingerbread-its-incredible/
 

lordofthereef

macrumors G5
Nov 29, 2011
13,161
3,721
Boston, MA
Again, Google doesn't waste time, money and resources on building updates to their OS for fun.
I didn't say they did...
Although the uninformed user may not see a need to update, many updates include better battery performance (which right there should make every Android user want to upgrade) optimization of the OS, security updates etc...They may not be major updates but useful nonetheless. Here is just one example of what got fixed on the Incredible with GB 2.3.4 Again, while not a major update, you wouldn't want these fixes to your phone?

http://androidandme.com/2011/08/news/android-2-3-4-gingerbread-its-incredible/

I couldn't say. I didn't use that phone, ever. If I were having issues, I may want it, yes. I have never come across a phone where I saw a noticable difference from one small update to another (this includes the iPhone, which I have had every version of since 1.0.2). Other's mileage may vary. It's tough to compare a non-stock update to another non-stock update too. A lot of the "fixes" are often something that were botched in the creation of this custom rom. Almost every carrier has a stock option. Again, if you are informed, you are probably fine. If you choose not to be, then I agree, iOS is for you. Apple has always catered to that crowd anyway, and they are proud of it. Just look back at some of their Mac commercials.
 
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mbell1975

macrumors 6502a
Mar 17, 2012
737
0
I didn't say they did...

I couldn't say. I didn't use that phone, ever. I have never come across a phone where I saw a noticable difference from one small update to another (this includes the iPhone, which I have had every version of since 1.0.2). Other's mileage may vary. It's tough to compare a non-stock update to another non-stock update too. A lot of the "fixes" are often something that were botched in the creation of this custom rom. Almost every carrier has a stock option. Again, if you are informed, you are probably fine. If you choose not to be, then I agree, iOS is for you. Apple has always catered to that crowd anyway, and they are proud of it. Just look back at some of their Mac commercials.

You have been lucky. The Evo 4G was just one Android phone I owned where we had to wait months for an update that fixed the wifi and grounding issues. Many people returned their phones rather than wait. The Nexus S 4G still hasn't had its wifi or signal issues fixed because Sprint blames Samsung and Samsung blame Sprint. Had to sell that phone. Thats just 2 personal examples. Something you will never, ever see with an Apple supported device.
 

lordofthereef

macrumors G5
Nov 29, 2011
13,161
3,721
Boston, MA
Its hardly been out a few days and there are already issues, shocking! Here comes Android's fragmentation back to bite them in the butt again :rolleyes:

According to reps from both companies, some of these issues can be due to app compatibility, as it is quite common that certain apps aren't always compatible with new processors, especially when you consider it's one of the first phones to run a quad core chipset.

http://www.androidpit.com/en/android/blog/404185/htc-one-x

From that very article...

In a conference call with HTC and Nvidia, we learned that while a big majority of games should run just fine, there are gameplay and audio problems that aren't only specific to Tegra Zone titles. After running a few tests on the phone ourselves, we discovered that one or 2 non Tegra titles did have issues with sound stuttering during sound effects (loudly), but that most Tegra 3 optimzed games like RipTide ran just fine. It doesn't seem to effect a vast majority of titles, but it is effecting enough to make both companies report that there is an issue.

Blowing this out of proportion, in my opinion. The way I see it, at least they aren't trying brush it under the rug. Many companies do that with their issues, including Apple, on occasion.

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You have been lucky. The Evo 4G was just one Android phone I owned where we had to wait months for an update that fixed the wifi and grounding issues. Many people returned their phones rather than wait. The Nexus S 4G still hasn't had its wifi or signal issues fixed because Sprint blames Samsung and Samsung blame Sprint. Had to sell that phone. Thats just 2 personal examples. Something you will never, ever see with an Apple supported device.

I actually owned an EVO 4G. My only complaint with it, EVER, was the lack of memory (a hardware limitation unfortunately). Well, and the fact that it was on Sprint and Sprint's network made me want to gouge my eyes out. I ran stock for about two months, until I finally started playing with roms. Enthusiast rommers actually put out better software than many of these companies do. Honestly, if I were one of these manufacturers, I would try to buy out someone like cyanogenmod that puts out nightly updates (and are actually getting more an more user friendly to the "uneducated crowd" as well). Anyone that wants lightning fast updates should stick with them, IMO. Their device list is ridiculously long and they announce which devices will be getting support. (They only JUST RECENTLY dropped support for the OG Droid)
 

GodspeedFx

macrumors newbie
Apr 8, 2012
2
0
You have been lucky. The Evo 4G was just one Android phone I owned where we had to wait months for an update that fixed the wifi and grounding issues. Many people returned their phones rather than wait. The Nexus S 4G still hasn't had its wifi or signal issues fixed because Sprint blames Samsung and Samsung blame Sprint. Had to sell that phone. Thats just 2 personal examples. Something you will never, ever see with an Apple supported device.

You either suffer from short-term memory loss or you didn't buy a 4S when it released in October of last year. They only JUST LAST MONTH fixed the horrid battery life issues plaguing many users.

And as Reef mentioned, custom ROM developers release fixes for issues such as the ones you mentioned far more quickly than the phone manufacturers do, and their ROMs often run much faster and smoother than the stock ROMs because they remove all the bloatware.

Whenever I get a new phone, the first thing I do is look for a custom ROM because they almost always have many improvements over the stock phone. Customizing/tweaking my phone's UI is part of the reason why I love Android so much. Don't get me wrong.. I like iPhones and think they are innovative, powerful, and visually appealing, but I simply prefer the freedom that Android offers me.

..and as for the whole "posting about android on a mac forum" debate.. if I wanted advice or input about making a switch, I imagine any intelligent person would want to ask on BOTH forums to get input from both Android users and iPhone users. If you ask only on one or the other, isn't it logical to assume that you'd be getting a one sided opinion? ;)
 

0dev

macrumors 68040
Dec 22, 2009
3,947
24
127.0.0.1
HTC Android phones are the best ones in my experience. The One X is, IMHO, the best Android phone on the market right now, so it's certainly a good phone to get if you want to jump platforms.

Just make sure you use Android a bit first to get a feel of it and see if you like it :)
 

Funkymonk

macrumors 6502a
Jan 7, 2011
773
0
I saw the phone in person.


It seriously has the best screen I have ever seen on a phone. The colors, sharpness, and clarity is the best I've ever seen. Beats any Samsung amoled out there. It bests the iPhone 4/4s screen as well.
 

kdarling

macrumors P6
Here is just one example of what got fixed on the Incredible with GB 2.3.4 Again, while not a major update, you wouldn't want these fixes to your phone?

There's a big difference between bug fixes / proprietary updates, versus major / universal OS revisions.

Many/most Android devices get multiple bug fixes, updates and enhancements from their manufacturer over time, without an OS change being involved at all.

Of course, if there is a major OS change, then it's also a good time to throw in any fixes as well. Your DInc update link is simply an example of such an occasion.
 

mbell1975

macrumors 6502a
Mar 17, 2012
737
0
And as Reef mentioned, custom ROM developers release fixes for issues such as the ones you mentioned far more quickly than the phone manufacturers do, and their ROMs often run much faster and smoother than the stock ROMs because they remove all the bloat ware

Whenever I get a new phone, the first thing I do is look for a custom ROM because they almost always have many improvements over the stock phone. Customizing/tweaking my phone's UI is part of the reason why I love Android so much. Don't get me wrong.. I like iPhones and think they are innovative, powerful, and visually appealing, but I simply prefer the freedom that Android offers me.

So the first thing you have to do when you buy a new phone is hack it and instal a ROM some dude in his basement came up with because the phone sucks that bad out of the box and if something is messed up, it will take months to fix? Wow, that's just sad. Would you buy a new car you instantly had to drop a new motor in for it to run right? Youjust admitted it yourself. The stock rom is glitchy, slower and filled with bloatware and garbage apps that slow your phone down and drain the battery. You are forced to root and rom pretty much. That's beyond absurd and a testament to what a joke Android is.
 

kdarling

macrumors P6
So the first thing you have to do when you buy a new phone is hack it and instal a ROM some dude in his basement came up with because the phone sucks that bad out of the box and if something is messed up, it will take months to fix? Wow, that's just sad...

A lot of people jailbreak their iPhone as soon as possible, too.

It doesn't mean the stock iPhone is a terrible mess.

It can also take Apple months to fix bugs in iOS, and yet that's not "sad", either.
 

lordofthereef

macrumors G5
Nov 29, 2011
13,161
3,721
Boston, MA
So the first thing you have to do when you buy a new phone is hack it and instal a ROM some dude in his basement came up with because the phone sucks that bad out of the box and if something is messed up, it will take months to fix? Wow, that's just sad. Would you buy a new car you instantly had to drop a new motor in for it to run right? Youjust admitted it yourself. The stock rom is glitchy, slower and filled with bloatware and garbage apps that slow your phone down and drain the battery. You are forced to root and rom pretty much. That's beyond absurd and a testament to what a joke Android is.

Not because the phone is that bad... but because a third party does it better. Same can be said about my iOS tweaks. There is functionality I virtually couldn't live without if I didn't have jailbreak.
 

mbell1975

macrumors 6502a
Mar 17, 2012
737
0
A lot of people jailbreak their iPhone as soon as possible, too.

It doesn't mean the stock iPhone is a terrible mess.

True but the difference is you don't have to jailbreak an iPhone to get a stable OS without force closes and crashes, remove bloat ware installed by your carrier, fix launch day issues that otherwise take months to fix or just to get your battery to last more than 6 hours.
 

lordofthereef

macrumors G5
Nov 29, 2011
13,161
3,721
Boston, MA
A lot of people jailbreak their iPhone as soon as possible, too.

It doesn't mean the stock iPhone is a terrible mess.

It can also take Apple months to fix bugs in iOS, and yet that's not "sad", either.

Amen.

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True but the difference is you don't have to jailbreak an iPhone to get a stable OS without force closes and crashes, remove bloat ware installed by your carrier, fix launch day issues that otherwise take months to fix or just to get your battery to last more than 6 hours.

I don't need to to that on Android, either... If an app is force closing, it;s the app, not the OS (generally). I only just recently got a usable facebook... for iOS... Any time I wanted to load a new page, or anything, the App would force close. Should I blame iOS for that? No, that would be silly. As far as fixing launch day issues, the battery issue was a launch day issue, only recently fixed by Apple. You either lived with it, or you went back to your iPhone 4 until it was fixed. You didn;t have a chance to install a heavily modified version of iOS to fix the issue, as you do with Android.
 

kdarling

macrumors P6
True but the difference is you don't have to jailbreak an iPhone to get a stable OS without force closes and crashes, remove bloat ware installed by your carrier, fix launch day issues that otherwise take months to fix or just to get your battery to last more than 6 hours.

I don't have to do anything to Android phones to be stable. That's nonsense.

As for launch day fixes, it's an advantage with Android that such things are available very quickly, if someone wants to make use of them.

As for so-called "bloatware", it has never bothered me that some carriers put extra apps on the phone, because with Android I don't have to see those apps on my homescreens unless I want to.

With iOS, we have no choice but to create a silly extra homescreen page or folder to hide apps we're not interested in. (To many iPhone owners, the Stocks app is just one example of Jobs-mandated Apple "bloatware" that cannot be removed.)
 

Invincibilizer

macrumors 6502a
Aug 18, 2011
769
2
I don't have to do anything to Android phones to be stable. That's nonsense.

As for launch day fixes, it's an advantage with Android that such things are available very quickly, if someone wants to make use of them.

As for so-called "bloatware", it has never bothered me that some carriers put extra apps on the phone, because with Android I don't have to see those apps on my homescreens unless I want to.

With iOS, we have no choice but to create a silly extra homescreen page or folder to hide apps we're not interested in. (To many iPhone owners, the Stocks app is just one example of Jobs-mandated Apple "bloatware" that cannot be removed.)

Correct

I am a user and can attest to this
7 screens of apps and the last screen only has one app..Why
Because its newstand, it can't be placed in a folder and I would never use it so it is at the end adding an extra pointless scrolling page..
 

mbell1975

macrumors 6502a
Mar 17, 2012
737
0
I don't have to do anything to Android phones to be stable. That's nonsense.

You have owned very special Android phones then. Here is just one poll with the vast majority of voters saying their Android phone force closes several times a day. There are dozens of others as well. So you are saying this is normal. You consider multiple force closes a day stable? Don't even get me started on the how many times do you have to pull your battery because your Android phone froze up polls....

http://pocketnow.com/android/how-often-does-your-android-force-close
 

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walie

macrumors 6502a
Nov 15, 2010
676
2
You have owned very special Android phones then. Here is just one poll with the vast majority of voters saying their Android phone force closes several times a day. There are dozens of others as well. So you are saying this is normal. You consider multiple force closes a day stable? Don't even get me started on the how many times do you have to pull your battery because your Android phone froze up polls....

http://pocketnow.com/android/how-often-does-your-android-force-close

I see.

http://www.bgr.com/2012/02/03/ios-apps-crash-more-than-android-apps-study-shows/
 

mbell1975

macrumors 6502a
Mar 17, 2012
737
0
It's hard for me to take a company, or their data, seriously who call themselves "crittercism" :p

Indeed. Anyone can make claims and rattle off BS some random company did research on. where is the actual study? There isn't even a link to crittercism or their test anywhere in that. I had to Google them. Oh and thats written by an Android fanboy. Gee, what a coincidence.
 
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