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China's government is pushing "buy local" hard so that is benefitting those companies.
And thats the one and only reason for apples declining china market share. Its retaliation for outsourcing more apple product manufacturing out of the country. Like to india for example. The tight excessive covid lockdowns in china caused big supply and sales issues for apple so theyre wisely and slowly reinvesting in other countries.
 
And thats the one and only reason for apples declining china market share. Its retaliation for outsourcing more apple product manufacturing out of the country. Like to india for example. The tight excessive covid lockdowns in china caused big supply and sales issues for apple so theyre wisely and slowly reinvesting in other countries.

It's retaliation for the US banning Huawei and ZTE.
 
anything can upstage the "new" iPhone 16 which is basically the same iPhone from years ago... no evolution at all.
Apple invented the smart phone in 2007 and now they are behind everyone else because nothing new and exciting has been done...
it's kinda sad
 
Apple is really missing the boat with foldables just like they missed the boat with AI. The current leadership has no vision. Vision Pro is a dead-end.
Companies like Huawei have to take the product market risk to create a different product within the Android ecosystem. Apple does not. Stating that Apple has no leadership is very general statement as they are market leaders in just about every category within the smartphone and tablet market. Vision Pro is too expensive to become mass produced and adopted worldwide.
 
I don't see how a phone that folds like a Z can not have durability issues. Typically the outer cover glass is hard to protect the display on the outside when placed on a surface, dropped, or when pocketed. If it folds like a Z, then it doesn't matter because there will always be at least one side that has the softer, flexible display on the outside.
 
No surprise about collective sentiment in a thread like this. However, anyone able to step outside of relentless brand bias might notice that the new idea here is not still:
  • unfold phone-size screen to small tablet screen but instead
  • unfold phone-size screen to larger tablet screen.
The pitch is not BOTH an iPhone and an iPad Mini in ONE device but more like an iPad and an iPad Air in ONE device. I own a lot of Apple stuff and that seems VERY APPEALING to me. Of course, I already opt to use a cellular iPad mini as "iPhone" (buds + VOIP app) instead of carrying BOTH around... so I always have the bigger screen with me AND it's an Apple device. The one great envy I feel about iPhone is "pocket-ability," so a bigger iPad that can fold/roll down to pocket-ability size seems immensely appealing.

To match the "but why?" utility for us Apple people means carrying BOTH an iPhone AND a large iPad with us at all times: multiple cameras, same internal tech, extra aluminum, extra screen, extra battery, extra glass, extra speakers, etc. In short, that's LOTS of duplication of size & weight & tech to accomplish the same core benefit.

Companies thinking like this are attempting to "fold" 2 different devices into one so that both are always with us. Want/need a bigger screen than a puny phone size at times? Fold it out to have something more like an iPad Air. Wish you could more easily carry that bigger iPad around (pocket ability)? Fold that iPad screen down to iPhone size and stick it in your pocket. That's the proposition for all of these kinds of creations: have your cake and eat it too... instead of having to buy and carry around TWO mostly same/similar cakes.

All tech roads seem to be trying to run to ONE place: BIGGER MOBILE SCREENS. Nobody seems to be working on shrinking screens. Whether folds or multi-folds are the answer... vs. rolls... vs. virtualized screen in glasses/goggles... vs. projectors... vs. something else: all efforts are trying to deliver bigger screens on the go.

Is this a great crack at that or not? Apple fans: "no way/solution in search of a problem/what's the point/I will never want.../abomination/blah blah blah" (the standard "detest whatever Apple does not offer"... YET). But, final analysis is still final analysis: if we Apple people want BOTH phone and iPad-size screens, we have to buy and carry around TWO devices that are technically almost the same... except for different screen sizes. Competitors like this are attempting to put BOTH options in a pocket as ONE product.

I cheer them on as I can always appreciate more screen R.E.- especially meaningfully more screen R.E. vs. getting excited about screens growing a few mm year over year. And I hope Apple embraces folds/rolls/other so that my own iPad device (also as phone) preference can eventually be pocketable too.
 
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Apple is really missing the boat with foldables just like they missed the boat with AI.
I've been looking at the flagship foldables and I would be seriously annoyed if I had one.
They're too thick, heavy, fragile, and on top of that they're much more expensive.

I'm more glad than anything about the fact that Apple is not too distracted with this technology right now.
 
Different audience. Good luck “upstaging Apple”. Some companies think innovation means apply some gimmick and that’ll make a great product. Not saying foldable are a gimmick or not necessarily but I don’t think satisfied current Apple customers are looking at Huawei or seeing “foldable” = considering switching. This reminds me of when competitors lean on their speeds-and-feeds and think thats all what makes a good product.

New SNL sketch (if SNL was still good) an Octafold phone. Its like origami 8 fold phone.
 
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Which folding phones have you owned? I've owned the Z Fold 3, 4, 5, 6, the Z Flip 4, the Pixel Fold, and the OnePlus Open...with my Pixel 9 Pro Fold and Honor Magic V3 Global arriving tomorrow. I've never had an issue with the inner or outer display on any of the foldables I've owned and I don't even put a case on them. Also, the crease is as close to invisible on phones like the OnePlus Open and Honor Magic V3 as physics will allow at this point. It's really not a crease on these phones, because if you took the display off there would be no bend in the display. There is a very slight valley, I guess I would call it, running up the middle of the display where there is no hardware behind it like there is under the rest of the inner display. There is nothing anyone can do about that at this time. Someday, maybe, but I'm not sure how they can get hardware behind the screen in the middle and still allow it to fold without damage. You'd have to implement a tiny piston system that could push a plate or some other piece of hardware up to prevent the valley. The squeeze wouldn't be worth the juice here in my opinion, because I never notice this valley on my OnePlus Open.
Since you owned each generation and multiple brands, am I wrong in assuming you don’t use them fully for more than a year?
In other words: no wonder you have no reliability issues.
 
Which folding phones have you owned? I've owned the Z Fold 3, 4, 5, 6, the Z Flip 4, the Pixel Fold, and the OnePlus Open...with my Pixel 9 Pro Fold and Honor Magic V3 Global arriving tomorrow. I've never had an issue with the inner or outer display on any of the foldables I've owned and I don't even put a case on them. Also, the crease is as close to invisible on phones like the OnePlus Open and Honor Magic V3 as physics will allow at this point. It's really not a crease on these phones, because if you took the display off there would be no bend in the display. There is a very slight valley, I guess I would call it, running up the middle of the display where there is no hardware behind it like there is under the rest of the inner display. There is nothing anyone can do about that at this time. Someday, maybe, but I'm not sure how they can get hardware behind the screen in the middle and still allow it to fold without damage. You'd have to implement a tiny piston system that could push a plate or some other piece of hardware up to prevent the valley. The squeeze wouldn't be worth the juice here in my opinion, because I never notice this valley on my OnePlus Open.

Get back to use when you use one single model of any of these for 3+ years.
 
Apple might be releasing the iPhone 13 Sss in a couple weeks, but I still wouldn’t take anything from China in its place no matter how many folds it has.
 
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