Name any appliance that does more year after year than what it did when released. His Mac does exactly what it was designed to do. It’s not greedy Apple, it’s progress. Don’t like it? Stick with what you bought.
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Name any appliance that does more year after year than what it did when released. His Mac does exactly what it was designed to do. It’s not greedy Apple, it’s progress. Don’t like it? Stick with what you bought.
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@Mikebike125, you are so mad at Apple about limitations on your iMac. Yeah, uhm. I'm typing this message in on an Early 2009 Mac Pro running Sonoma 14.6.1. Because of OCLP. And I could upgrade to Sequoia if I wanted. My Mac Pro, is in fact running a higher version of Sonoma than the 2023 M2 MBP that my job issued me.
I have a 2008 MBP also running Sonoma.
Go ahead and be mad. But finding alternatives is always a good way to feel good about getting around Apple's limitations.
The reason for Apple to not offer the OS updates for older Macs like the OP's is because of a loss of revenue. In this case, a number of personnel have to allocate a certain amount of time to "program" the new patches, and this takes time.
OK, kids, here’s the problem. I still haven’t seen anyone on this thread show any understanding of what it’s like to make sure that that every software change you make works on every piece of hardware that you support.
I think seven years is an insanely generous period of time. I am certain Apple’s test cluster operators and regression engineers breathe a sigh of relief every time an old model falls off of support. Supporting outdated crap with ancient assumptions and documentation can be miserable. When we were finally able to shut down my most recent major supercomputer after seven years of operation, we celebrated. It was time.
You paid them for the hardware and the OS a decade ago. That’s wonderful. You haven’t paid them a dime since for that hardware. All of the software development that goes on there is funded by hardware.
I have a 2012 iMac in similar circumstances. I have a 2016 Mac mini that is still cranking along just fine for my kids. Heck, I sold my Bondi blue iMac G3 for €30 after using it for nearly a decade. Just appreciate that the hardware was good, and outlasted its software engineering lifetime.
I think seven years is an insanely generous period of time. I am certain Apple’s test cluster operators and regression engineers breathe a sigh of relief every time an old model falls off of support. Supporting outdated crap with ancient assumptions and documentation can be miserable. When we were finally able to shut down my most recent major supercomputer after seven years of operation, we celebrated. It was time.
You paid them for the hardware and the OS a decade ago. That’s wonderful. You haven’t paid them a dime since for that hardware. All of the software development that goes on there is funded by hardware.
I have a 2012 iMac in similar circumstances. I have a 2016 Mac mini that is still cranking along just fine for my kids. Heck, I sold my Bondi blue iMac G3 for €30 after using it for nearly a decade. Just appreciate that the hardware was good, and outlasted its software engineering lifetime.
Could it be that it is TurboTax who is choosing not to support your computer and OS, and not Apple sabotaging you?
I don’t need to buy a modern mac for tax purposes. I have high end Linux workstation that can boot windows for taxes or accounting stuff on windows, as needed.
It's frustrating to see all these perfectly functional computers being declared landfill scrap for no real reason than money.
Windows is much, much better than Mac for being able to run legacy software. I can still open my 2002 copy of Photoshop 7 on the latest Windows 10 build, going on 23 years later.
Mac's annual revisions have broken lots of software over the years, sadly.
OCLP should work to give you more time with your machine. Otherwise, you could dual-boot with Windows, 10 but Windows 11 requires similar workarounds as Mac since Microsoft arbitrarily declared older CPUs inelligible. It's not as involved though -- I think it's a pretty minor registry tweak or something.
Windows is much, much better than Mac for being able to run legacy software. I can still open my 2002 copy of Photoshop 7 on the latest Windows 10 build, going on 23 years later.
Mac's annual revisions have broken lots of software over the years, sadly.
OCLP should work to give you more time with your machine. Otherwise, you could dual-boot with Windows, 10 but Windows 11 requires similar workarounds as Mac since Microsoft arbitrarily declared older CPUs inelligible. It's not as involved though -- I think it's a pretty minor registry tweak or something.
Interesting mix of responses here instead of just the usual “well it’s old according to Apple so get on with it”. OP, last I checked there is a way to use open core legacy to install newer version of MacOS on older Macs. I didn’t try it myself as mine was slow and old, but you might have a better luck! (And yes the lack of target display mode due to being 5K sucks, and not in line with sustainability through circular usage)
Also recall that, when the 27" iMac came out, its 5k Retina resolution was a pretty big deal—Apple boasted about having to develop custom timing controllers to achieve it—and outstripped the resolution supported by the DisplayPort protocol available at the time. Target Display Mode would have required two cables, which besides being quite un-Apple-like, would have undermined the promise of Thunderbolt 3 being advertised on that machine and the contemporary 2013 "trash can" Mac Pro.
Appreciate the many years you had with your fully supported iMac, accept that its inability to effortlessly turn into a monitor is not due to any malfeasance on Apple's part, and embrace its next adventure on OpenCore Legacy, another OS, or in your closet. 😉
Sent from my late 2014 27" iMac with the help of OCLP
Appreciate the many years you had with your fully supported iMac, accept that its inability to effortlessly turn into a monitor is not due to any malfeasance on Apple's part, and embrace its next adventure on OpenCore Legacy, another OS, or in your closet. 😉
Sent from my late 2014 27" iMac with the help of OCLP
Make a second volume
Instal windows or Linux
Run turbo tax
Problem solved
You’re welcome
OR
use oclp
Upgrade macos
Run turbo tax
You’re just as welcome
Hot take: be angry at the IRS not Apple.
Here in the UK we have a nice gov.uk web site you just plug all the crap into and it works it out for you. And it handles all the weird complexities around tax quite happily. Don't have to install anything or use any third party software.
Here in the UK we have a nice gov.uk web site you just plug all the crap into and it works it out for you. And it handles all the weird complexities around tax quite happily. Don't have to install anything or use any third party software.
"I am so mad at Apple right now, they are to blame for Intuit's TurboTax requirements."
I do indeed run my own business, and I file my own taxes online (lots of clients, lots of expenses, lots to report, etc.). It's more time consuming than a person with no deductions and one employer, but it works just fine.
Why don't you shout at TurboTax for locking out older OS versions from running it??
100% go down the https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/ route.
My 2013 Macbook Pro is running a much newer OS than its meant to and its perfect. Your 2015 machine will be fine with it.
My 2013 Macbook Pro is running a much newer OS than its meant to and its perfect. Your 2015 machine will be fine with it.
There’s heaps of videos on how to patch newer OS versions onto old “unsupported” Mac’s. I did this for my 2011 MacBook Pro using Ddosdudes patcher.
I’ve already checked and it’s not listed as supported but there’s heaps of videos on YouTube patching macOS 10.15
I’ve already checked and it’s not listed as supported but there’s heaps of videos on YouTube patching macOS 10.15
sure, the lack of target display mode makes imacs more of an environmental hazard. but at least you can still use windows on that old mac (or use open core to install a newer MacOS). With newer macs it‘s even worse, ram is non-upgradeyble, so are the ssds of most macs, and for sure, target display mode never came back. so, yes, that talk about the environment is a pure marketing-lie (see also fixed cables on homepod minis and other intended landfillers).
Come on, OP, these messages say it all.
1. Apple supplying a machine that still functions and has received updates for TEN YEARS is great. Surely. How can that not be seen as the case. Ill say again... TEN YEARS. (I suspect most windows machines couldn't make that boast frankly)
2. Your whine isn't even anything to do with Apple its Intuit that creates their own software and updates it for OS updates - THEY have chosen to no longer support your machine NOT Apple.
I’m using a 12 year old PC that is still supported by Windows, and in the worst case would be supported until 2032 with the LTSC version. That’s almost 20 years of support. Microsoft has been cutting down on that lately, though.
The issue with macOS is that the yearly new OS versions tend to break compatibility in ways such that it takes significant effort for apps to support many years of macOS versions into the past. This is rarely an issue on Windows.
Another vote for opencore. I did it recently on this exact imac, additionally replaced hdd with 2 SSDs (one pcie for OS and programs, 2nd sata for TMachine backup). Sequoia runs great, no problems.
You have a 10 year old computer bro.
You have had 2 regular computer lifetimes out of it.
To put it in perspective, lets compare a 10 year difference in previous times:
1990: You'd have bought a Mac classic with 68000 @ 8mhz running classic macOS
2000: You'd be looking at an iMac G3, and be able to run OS X on it. You'd have a PowerPC G3 @ 350-500mhz
It's time to upgrade.
Windows 10 is EOL in 9 months... gotta say goodbye to my Surface Go which was introduced (by Microsoft!!) in August 2018. Seven years of support is no better than Apple.
I mean, that’s the funny thing. The amount of innovation from 1980 to 1990 was massive, the whole idea of what a computer was changed. From 1990 to 2000, what you could do with a computer completely changed. From 2000 to 2010, massive changes in architecture, power. 2010-2019? The pace slowed significantly, largely due to intel’s slow pace of development. 2020, ok we have apple silicon, which is a major step forward in speed while sacrificing compatibility with legacy and PC software.
My point is that running a 2015 iMac in 2025 isn’t such a major jump, and many of us who used 27 inch iMacs jumped ship to other configs when Apple axed the larger iMac.
I’d say the blame here rests with intuit demanding the newest OS, and as pointed out above, lobbying to ensure their own profit model. The removal of the external
Video in on iMacs was perhaps understandable in 2015, but Apple sells an iMac without the cpu now, clearly we can have a video in on a 27 inch 5k display.
My family has complicated taxes without the generous paycheck to go with them. We do it all by hand, using excel and pdf forms. 🤷♀️