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I am so mad at Apple
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Why not try H&R? They still run on v12. Not that different than TT, used it a couple of years ago due to great deal on it and only complaint was that a couple of forms took longer to release vs TT.
If in a state without state income tax, IRS's free software might be an option.
Why not try H&R? They still run on v12. Not that different than TT, used it a couple of years ago due to great deal on it and only complaint was that a couple of forms took longer to release vs TT.
If in a state without state income tax, IRS's free software might be an option.
No, it is not "a hurdle for everyone's workflow." Like you said, "the software developer should be in charge of updating their software" and almost all competent software does get upgraded regularly. Yes there are legacy specialized apps some folks like, but those folks need to build specialty boxes to run their not-maintained-as-current apps and constantly worry about what happens when their not-maintained-as-current app breaks.
Yeah I have the same problem. I have two Macs. One test / one production.
Anything Qt / Wx based which appears to be a lot of mathematical and scientific packages is a ball ache on macOS. But I'm not joking it's 10x worse on windows. Recently windows 11 update completely wiped out about 100 people's CAS software.
i would blame turbotax not apple. apple is letting you run the system you purchased. if you had turbotax running in older os you should ask them to make sure it keeps running in that old version
technically, Mountain Lion is not ancient technology, just a much better OS than Monterey.
apple offers you free os upgrade on compatible hardware . you are not forced to upgrade hw or os. windows sells you os upgrades
Have a 2014 PC (4790k, 16 GB, GTX970) and it still works perfectly for daily use, web dev, gaming (even in 4k surprisingly), audio production, professional photography...
My parents have a 2013 HP desktop that's still very fast for the basic things they use it for.
Meanwhile OP's computer, including the whole 5k retina panel that still be considered high-end ten years later, can't run software because of the way Apple updates its OS. Throwing away that display must be the hardest part, especially when Apple charges C$1800 for an almost identical new one.
It sounds like using TurboTax has increased your blood pressure! Take it down a notch and just file your taxes by hand. Fill out the PDFs, print them out, and mail them in. Keep on using your 10-year-old Mac! That's what I am doing and I am one happy 🍸😸 And just remember, the tax forms are designed for anyone to be able to fill them in, just like that mac is the computer for the rest of us (_very_ old reference) the tax instructions are for the rest of us too.🍸😹 Get back in touch with your inner accountant! But, um, buy that new mac soon because guess what, the manufacturer does not pay the tariffs. 🍸🙀
Things changed fast in the 90s. Things are barely changing at all now, and often just for the sake of it ($$$).
The only reason it's "time to upgrade" is by assertion, not by some compelling technological advancement.
My 2014 PC runs all the latest versions of software still, and a much wider array of software than my M4 Mac, that's for sure. OP is talking about tax software which could be made to run on a 486 if they cared to, but a 5k retina iMac is now obsolete for filling in some forms. Maybe they require hardware ray tracing? H265 video encoder?
My 2009 i7 is working fine for my parents. Upgraded the ram to 16gb and slapped in a cheap used Samsung 850 SSD and now it's running windows 11 24H2. My mom watches cooking YouTube channels on it, does her banking and Even works with TurboTax lol!
Of course we do not (although I do know people who install Windows on brand new MacBooks because they prefer Windows but also prefer Apple hardware) but the point is that there is a simple solution to this specific problem, and that solution is to install Windows.
off topic or maybe not
if that irs tax software made for macs, would windows on a mac still run that specific program?
It’s intel that doesn’t provide security patches anymore for older chipsets Apple can reasonably supply. Anandtech had a great article about this back in the day. No low level hardware safety: literally everything you do on your computer could be at risk. “Running at our own risk” only sounds reasonable when you don’t actually understand the scope of the risks or you fall for the typical “it won’t happen to me” bias that every scam victim fell for.
The reason they’re no longer offered as display is the 5k resolution that couldn’t be put through a single cable with 2015 tech. You might try luna display though.
But to be perfectly honest, being “so mad at apple” for a third party software that no longer supports your decade old computer seems backwards. Apple sold you a computer as a one time purchase that is literally still running strong a decade later. The average wintel machine back then ran for 2 years. Why not be mad at the software provider instead, they stopped supporting your OS when you’re probably still paying them a recurring fee.
Apple kills support around the seven year mark because that’s when intel stops all support for their processors. Even scrubbing drivers and support materials. Look for intel “End of Servicing Lifetime” and you can find pdfs about their processor lines and how they stop supporting them.
That Microsoft chooses to expose their older customers to security issues is Microsoft’s choice, but apple choosing not to is a good thing. Not greed.
That anecdotes on the internet are just that?
There have been massive changes, just (somewhat - the improvements have still been huge!) less so on the performance side, and MUCH more on the integrated security, codec and encryption side. Plus as you say Apple Silicon is an architecture shift (that happened 5 years ago this year).
Nobody is going to carry old hardware forever and that's what a 2015 machine is now: OLD.
I loved my 2015 MacBook Pro too but it had a good run and now is the end of support. Recycle it, move on. Or live within the confines of the last supported OS.
Things changed fast in the 90s. Things are barely changing at all now, and often just for the sake of it ($$$).
The only reason it's "time to upgrade" is by assertion, not by some compelling technological advancement.
My 2014 PC runs all the latest versions of software still, and a much wider array of software than my M4 Mac, that's for sure. OP is talking about tax software which could be made to run on a 486 if they cared to, but a 5k retina iMac is now obsolete for filling in some forms. Maybe they require hardware ray tracing? H265 video encoder?
Things have changed, just in different ways.
Your 2014 has unfixable hardware security issues in the CPU that lead to either massive performance problems if fixed in software, or the vulnerability to private key disclosure which is not ideal for your internet banking, web security, encryption, etc.
Are you serious when you say "The only reason it's "time to upgrade" is by assertion, not by some compelling technological advancement" ??Things changed fast in the 90s. Things are barely changing at all now, and often just for the sake of it ($$$).
The only reason it's "time to upgrade" is by assertion, not by some compelling technological advancement.
My 2014 PC runs all the latest versions of software still, and a much wider array of software than my M4 Mac, that's for sure. OP is talking about tax software which could be made to run on a 486 if they cared to, but a 5k retina iMac is now obsolete for filling in some forms. Maybe they require hardware ray tracing? H265 video encoder?
Did you miss the fact that Apple now makes its own [impressive] chips that upgrade every year? Or that Apple now uses Unified Memory Architecture [UMA], a huge deal? Or that Apple increased available laptop RAM by 8x in 7 years, facilitating UMA and strongly suggesting increasing RAM demands? Or that Apple's latest chips have compelling ray tracing, etc. in hardware? Or that the world, including Apple, is inserting more and more usage of AI into computing, which puts special demands on hardware? Those are clearly compelling technological advancements.
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10 years is ancient from a hardware life perspective.
Your iMac has a 6th gen Intel CPU. If it were a PC, Microsoft would kill support for it on October 25 this year. No Windows 11 without a TPM.
Yes, you can work around the Windows 11 TPM requirement, but you can also work around the Sequoia hardware requirements.
Also, target display mode wasn't a great feature as implemented. All you could send it was specific flavours of mDP (1280x720 and 2560x1440) nothing else -- notably that means no 1080P and no HDMI. There's a reason the Belkin HDMI to target display box existed, but it was $150 and just did 720P from HDMI sources.
I am so mad at Apple, that I bought two M4 Pro Mac Minis. I guess I just love to hate them.
OP: I remember the 2015 iMacs. They were great computers. OMG, that was 10 years ago!
OP: I remember the 2015 iMacs. They were great computers. OMG, that was 10 years ago!
Wow! Those are all SOOO amazing! I can't wait to see how different MS Office runs on it! Or how quickly websites will load! Those YouTube videos will look unbelievable now!
Wait -- it changes nothing -- not a single thing -- for a large number of users. Increasing RAM demands? I've had 16 GB (plus dedicated 4-8 GB of VRAM) since 2014 (only cost $140 back then even), and Apple only just made 16 GB of shared system and video RAM standard a couple of months ago
Do you really think OP needs new hardware to run tax software that a 486 could run? It's a form with basic calculations. In general use, my M4 Mini feels no faster than my 2014 PC (which runs far more software, I might add). Some people just need a computer for the basics and that stuff really hasn't changed. That's why people are unhappy their perfectly functional devices are being declared landfill when we know they're more than up to the jobs being asked of them. This is proven when a simple OCLP makes it run later software fine.
Can you point me to where that's been a widespread problem for consumers? Don't Apple's own M1, M2, and M3 have unpatchable hardware security vulnerabilities?... https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/macbooks/unpatchable-vulnerability-discovered-in-apple-m1-m2-and-m3-chips-what-you-need-to-know
Or iLeakage which affected iOS devices as well as M-series Macs... https://www.tomsguide.com/news/new-...asswords-on-iphones-and-macs-how-to-stay-safe
Seems to be a complete non-issue, almost purely academic, if the users aren't making very poor decisions, as is the case for the all kinds of hardware and software vulnerabilities exist out there.
Sure mundane computing does not need new hardware: anyone can keep their 10-year-old box and 10-year-old OS and 10-year-old app and just compute away.Wow! Those are all SOOO amazing! I can't wait to see how different MS Office runs on it! Or how quickly websites will load! Those YouTube videos will look unbelievable now!
Wait -- it changes nothing -- not a single thing -- for a large number of users. Increasing RAM demands? I've had 16 GB (plus dedicated 4-8 GB of VRAM) since 2014 (only cost $140 back then even), and Apple only just made 16 GB of shared system and video RAM standard a couple of months ago
Do you really think OP needs new hardware to run tax software that a 486 could run? It's a form with basic calculations. In general use, my M4 Mini feels no faster than my 2014 PC (which runs far more software, I might add). Some people just need a computer for the basics and that stuff really hasn't changed. That's why people are unhappy their perfectly functional devices are being declared landfill when we know they're more than up to the jobs being asked of them. This is proven when a simple OCLP makes it run later software fine.
But like I said, the things I listed [that you foolishly denigrate] are clearly compelling technological advancements. There are many, many other technological advancements also happening; I only listed a few. The tech world advances, and hiding one's head in the sand does not stop it advancing. So feel free to stick with your "10 years old is fine" mentality, but I suggest that y'all keep all components of that 10-year-old plan off the internet, because the bad actors will not also be hiding their heads in the sand.
This.
It's on Intuit to adapt to our Systems; not for The System to adapt.
I have been {reasonably} satisfied with HRB for the duration, but I always interface via HTTP.
It's not necessary to purchase an App for these things.
Gowan, and give a try to alternative interface, Mikebike125