10 years is a great run for an iMac. I have my doubts the M chips versions will last that long but would love to be surprised.
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I am so mad at Apple
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I'd think that the hardware will be good for longer than the Intel stuff just due to much less heat.
When's the last time you heard of someones computer needing replacement because of failed cpu? Usually it's the power supply unit.
I heard of an iMac Pro SSD failure this morning. I also heard of another failure today but I don't recall which forum but it was an old Intel model.
I've owned various apple devices for over 20 years and managed well over a hundred and have seen (reasonable and explainable given the progress of software on older hardware) slowdowns after updates, but I've never had a single device "crippled" from updates. So no, I don't "knew this already".
Crazy how in just a few months Windows 10 will no longer be supported by MS either.
If it were my iMac, I'd gut it and turn it into a 'Studio Display':
And then get an M4 Mini and be good for another 6+ years.
Or if I were hurting for cash I'd just do the OpenCore method.
Or just sell the iMac on marketplace for a couple hundred bucks and put that towards a new iMac.
OP you have a lot of options. The fact that you got 8+ trouble-free years out of a desktop computer is amazing.
If it were my iMac, I'd gut it and turn it into a 'Studio Display':
And then get an M4 Mini and be good for another 6+ years.
Or if I were hurting for cash I'd just do the OpenCore method.
Or just sell the iMac on marketplace for a couple hundred bucks and put that towards a new iMac.
OP you have a lot of options. The fact that you got 8+ trouble-free years out of a desktop computer is amazing.
Why are you mad at Apple, and not TurboTax for requiring OSX 13?
Right, it's a complete non-issue and almost purely academic, as well as not being unique to older chips given Apple's M-series have hardware vulnerabilities, too.
I think you're overestimating the importance of Intel in this role, although they should absolutely be held to the same standard. Again, point me to where people using Linux on older hardware have been the target of hardware exploits.
Forced obsolescence really needs to be addressed these days. Software and hardware are both so matured that they're barely changing in many regards, these days. Older devices run software well longer than ever. In 1990, 1 MB of RAM was the norm, while ten years later 1 GB was the norm. 1000x more RAM in ten years.
Now? Apple ran with 8 GB standard for ten years straight.
Windows supports software so much longer than Apple, they're not even in the same league. I've had annual macOS updates break parts of my Adobe suite that was up to date. Meanwhile I can install and use Office 1997 on Windows 11 without effort. But it's very hard to accept Microsoft deeming older CPUs landfill given how many are out there doing their basic tasks easily. I'd wager my local universities have thousands of them. OP having to scrap a 5k retina display that Apple still sells for C$1800 is obscenely wasteful, and all for some basic tax software that you could run on a potato.
Me and my wife really care of our Macbook Pros. Hers is a 2017 MBP 13-inch with a fully changed battery that has 85 cycles. Mine is the higher-end 15-inch model from 2018. It's needless to say that running anything higher than Ventura will completely blow our battery lives in under 2 hours. Hers has very low cycles and freezes at 30%, the MBP shuts down. I had battery changed in mine, but it doesn't last for 2 hours and when it reaches 19%, it just dies. This was an ifixit battery. It's needless to say that Apple's latest OS updates completely bricked our devices even though we care from them and they look as if they were new. The lag is so unbearable. We think Apple does this on purpose to their software to force you into upgrading, even though you don't want to.
The intent of brining it up was to say without saying “I’m not some android loving troll”. Obviously if my username I created years ago is “iBreatheApple”, I’m alluding to the fact that I was a pretty hardcore fanboy that is beginning to fade. Thanks for the reply, I guess?I „I breath Apple“ is upset that’s saying something
Where can I find some leaded gasoline? My old car needs it to run properly.
I think you underestimate how much support/code intel provide for fixing and working around bugs in their CPUs, including microcode updates. For CPUs over 7-10 years old, they no longer provide that.
Linux is developed by volunteers, etc. and "linux" is not providing support for your hardware, as in for issue resolution. If you call ubuntu or Redhat regarding some issues with the OS running on your 10 year old CPU with bugs in it, they'll tell you to get different hardware too.
If the hardware vendor will not support the product, how can apple commit to it?
From ark.intel.com
Maybe whine to intel?
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my m4 pro MacBook runs hotter than either my 2012 Mac mini or my 14700k hackintosh
and it allows MUCH higher max temps
to be fair the 14700k had a giant fan on the cpu
And this materializes to an issue, how? Of course Intel, like MS and Apple, should be providing longer hardware support lifespans.
After 6-7 years, the bugs are worked out of hardware drivers about as much as they'll ever be. I've already pointed out that M1, M2, and M3 chips have unpatchable security vulnerabilities -- I don't see anyone saying they're outdated.
Linux runs amazingly well on even the most obscure or outdated hardware. It's the most common way to extend the life of computers and I've yet to even hear of an issue relating to Intel not making updates for the CPU. And considering it's made by volunteers, you'd think $4000000000000 evaluated companies could keep perfectly servicable machines in working order.
I agree, it’s wrong. Might be time for boot camp and Windows, which will likely run the software.
Congress changes the tax laws every year. You must use a new version every year.
As said, Windows 11 runs in a virtual machine and quite well if you have 32GB RAM. VMware will let you have a window on the Mac's desktop with turbo tax ruing at very nearly native speed
None of the Macbooks in our household had problems opening TextEdit files from the File > Open... menu (if that's what you mean) in all the versions of macOS they've had installed, starting from macOS 11 Big Sur for the Airs, then 12 Monterey for the Airs and my M1 2021 Macbook Pro, through the current version of Sequoia. If you're seeing this problem under Monterey, maybe an update to macOS 13 Ventura or higher would fix this for you?
Correct. I should have stated that if this was a PC its last supported update is coming in October when Microsoft stops updating Windows 10.
Windows 11 has always had the TPM requirement. Agreed that the workaround is similar to using OCLP which I was hinting but didn't call out directly.
Agreed. Your VCR and existing tapes still work. One difference of debatable importance though is that your VCR isn't likely to leak any PII during its expected use even after support ends.
Your local drag strip or airport. It'll be 100 octane, but look for the tank marked 100LL. The LL stands for low lead!
Both intel, Apple and other vendors have a well established support time frame: support for 12-36 months, anything beyond that is a bonus.
Don't like it? Don't buy it.
M1, M2 and M3 are within the extended support time frame that Apple typically offers which is in line with or longer than the industry average - typically expect 7-10 years of macOS support, being listed as "Vintage" at year 7 and "Obsolete" at year 10. This is not new. This is not some conspiracy to screw you over personally. This has been pretty standard in the industry since I've been using computers as a child 40 years ago.
Expect M1 to go vintage in 2027, and unsupported in 2030 at the latest.
Again: you're talking about 10 year old hardware here. It ran the OS it shipped with, it has had 5+ years of support: if you want to run Linux on it go nuts, but do not expect vendor support from ANYWHERE - including Ubuntu or Redhat if something goes sideways with it.
You keep saying that Linux runs just fine on it - so will macOS if you run OCLP. It still isn't supported though. I genuinely think some people have a really confused notion of what "support" is, and some MASSIVELY skewed and unreasonable expectations regarding expected time-frames.
Go call say, Chevrolet for an update to your onboard entertainment software for a 2015 year car.
Okay. Well, I have.
iOS 7 killed my iPad 2. Usable, but a terrible terrible experience.
macOS 10.12 Sierra literally crippled my old MacBook Pro. It worked fine on 10.11, but after updating to 10.12 it would routinely freeze to the point of requiring a force reboot. Thankfully some hardware upgrades saved it (back when you could do those on MacBooks).
So I hope you can better understand where I’m coming from now. Happy to share my experiences (happy is sort of the wrong word actually but you get my point, ha).
Edit - You may have seen my reply to another poster about my mother’s iPhone 7 Plus gaining virtually no increase in battery life after a battery replacement at the Apple Store which is suspicious to say the least. iOS 15.