I am so mad at Apple

[Jumpthesnark]

Google has 10 year updates on their Chromebooks.

Now they do. A Chromebook of the 2015 vintage, to compare apples to apples with the 2015 iMac OP is posting about, stopped receiving automatic updates in 2021, according to Google:

But Google says older machines can receive "extended updates," to bring it to 10 years of support, if the machine's administrator opts in to that program. I don't know why they'd do that, if they're going to provide 10 years of updates anyway, unless it was to cut down on the number of machines getting support. Makes no sense to me.

 

[TechnoMonk]

Google has 10 year updates on their Chromebooks.

Google might just scrap chromebooks, you never know. Their history is littered with discontinued/abandoned products. Forget cheap chrome books, they tried pulling the same stunt discontinuing cloud technologies in GcP after companies invested millions. Google slowly crawled out with special customer contracts to extend support.

 

[Lurch92]

It's stuff like this (deliberate, arbitrary obsolescing/sidelining hardware) which definitely does not endear Apple to a lot of people out there.

Moreover, how do they square this sort of behavior with eco responsibility?

It's stuff like this (supporting a device for a decade, long into it's obsolecence) which definitely endears Apple to a lot of people out there.

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FIFY

It's laughable that this is being discussed as anything but a triumph. If any other company declared on launch that they would support their product for over a decade, when the lifecycle of the product is 3-5 years, then they would be celebrated.

 

[edubfromktown]

Google has 10 year updates on their Chromebooks.

Yep. I purchased a (barely!) used 2020 HP C1030 Elite 16GB Chromebook more than a year ago for <$160 from a liquidator. It has awesome specs:

10th Generation i7 processor (i7-10610U) with Intel® UHD Graphics
(1.8 GHz base frequency, up to 4.9 GHz with Turbo Boost 8 MB L3 cache, 4 cores)

Memory 16 GB DDR4-2666 SDRAM (supports Dual Channel Memory)
128 GB PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD internal storage
13.5" diagonal, WUXGA+ (1920 x 1280), touch screen (flips over flat 180 degrees), IPS, micro-edge, anti-glare, 1000 nits, 72% NTSC

Bang & Olufsen, dual stereo speakers
1 microSD expansion slot (SD, SDHC, SDXC)
Spill-resistant, full-size, island-style, backlit, textured, flint silver Chrome keyboard
Glass multi-touch gesture ClickPad

Updates are good to go til June 2030!

Not that I mind buying Mac's... I just sell the MBP's every 3+ years to get max resale value.

 

[AgeOfSpiracles]

I have a Late 2015 27" iMac and just found out that because Apple won't let it upgrade to OSX 13 that I cannot run the current version of TurboTax. I am sure there are many more programs that will also be impacted. Now before you all get on me about this, realize that with my iMac I got the upgraded video card, have the 3TB Fusion Drive and added 32GB of RAM. I have no idea why this can't be allowed to download the newest OS. After thinking about it, I said, maybe I should just get a mini and use this iMac as a monitor, right? Wrong. Apple had a display port on the 2009-2014 iMacs and then removed it in 2015. My iMac runs perfectly and I just can't believe that with all the "reduce your carbon footprint" stuff that Apple won't even let me use this as a monitor.

Now I'm faced with just putting this in the closet to collect dust. This is such a WASTE.

I understand that Apple tests their new software with older Mac's and can see that the system may run slower or have some risks that we don't know about, but how about let us load it and give us a warning that we acknowledge that we are running it at our own risk? Or how about a version that has some of the features turned off? Or how about just using it as a monitor?

Come on Apple.

Why aren't you mad at Intuit for not supporting your choice of OS?

 

[Fishrrman]

Time to put this thread on "ignore".
Moderators: I nominate that it be locked or moved to the "wasteland" category.

 

[Andy_2341]

It is unnecessary overhead for M-based processor systems that have been in the wild for 5 years now...

Rosetta can be forcibly removed with substantial effort. Getting tired of having to do that annually (after filing my taxes) for only one aging app that Intuit hasn't bothered to update.

All other apps on my Mac's (M1 Studio Base Max and M3 Pro 14") execute natively and do not require Rosetta emulation.

That makes sense. Thank you.

 

[basdeninard]

Google has 10 year updates on their Chromebooks.

That's a different business model. It's because you're the product, so of course they want to provide ten years of security updates so you keep using their software and services. It's not because they care about the environment lol.

 

[basdeninard]

Time to put this thread on "ignore".
Moderators: I nominate that it be locked or moved to the "wasteland" category.

And yet here you are. Lol.

 

[Euroamerican]

Did I mention yet that I have done my taxes on my iPad the last few years. Didn't even crack open a Mac OS device.

 

[ger19]

One thing this thread confirmed for me was that there’s no value in buying more machine than you need in order to “future proof it”. I have a base iMac 8ram, 256gb drive. Works great and when it doesn’t, I’ll just buy a new one. No need to max out the ram and the SSD space if that doesn’t really future proof anything anyway. As mentioned, not very environmentally prudent, but I’ll do my best to recycle it / dispose of it properly when the time comes.

 

[basdeninard]

One thing this thread confirmed for me was that there’s no value in buying more machine than you need in order to “future proof it”. I have a base iMac 8ram, 256gb drive. Works great and when it doesn’t, I’ll just buy a new one. No need to max out the ram and the SSD space if that doesn’t really future proof anything anyway. As mentioned, not very environmentally prudent, but I’ll do my best to recycle it / dispose of it properly when the time comes.

You can take your old Mac to any Apple Store to get it recycled or disposed of safely.

If you are in the United States, Apple has partnered with a company called ERI to provide a free 'drop-off' service with a prepaid shipping label.

More info here: https://www.apple.com/shop/trade-in#recycle

 

[Plutonius]

I have a Late 2015 27" iMac and just found out that because Apple won't let it upgrade to OSX 13 that I cannot run the current version of TurboTax. I am sure there are many more programs that will also be impacted. Now before you all get on me about this, realize that with my iMac I got the upgraded video card, have the 3TB Fusion Drive and added 32GB of RAM. I have no idea why this can't be allowed to download the newest OS. After thinking about it, I said, maybe I should just get a mini and use this iMac as a monitor, right? Wrong. Apple had a display port on the 2009-2014 iMacs and then removed it in 2015. My iMac runs perfectly and I just can't believe that with all the "reduce your carbon footprint" stuff that Apple won't even let me use this as a monitor.

Now I'm faced with just putting this in the closet to collect dust. This is such a WASTE.

I understand that Apple tests their new software with older Mac's and can see that the system may run slower or have some risks that we don't know about, but how about let us load it and give us a warning that we acknowledge that we are running it at our own risk? Or how about a version that has some of the features turned off? Or how about just using it as a monitor?

Come on Apple.

Planned obsolescence. Every company does it .

 

[Anondad67]

I have a Late 2015 27" iMac and just found out that because Apple won't let it upgrade to OSX 13 that I cannot run the current version of TurboTax. I am sure there are many more programs that will also be impacted. Now before you all get on me about this, realize that with my iMac I got the upgraded video card, have the 3TB Fusion Drive and added 32GB of RAM. I have no idea why this can't be allowed to download the newest OS. After thinking about it, I said, maybe I should just get a mini and use this iMac as a monitor, right? Wrong. Apple had a display port on the 2009-2014 iMacs and then removed it in 2015. My iMac runs perfectly and I just can't believe that with all the "reduce your carbon footprint" stuff that Apple won't even let me use this as a monitor.

Now I'm faced with just putting this in the closet to collect dust. This is such a WASTE.

I understand that Apple tests their new software with older Mac's and can see that the system may run slower or have some risks that we don't know about, but how about let us load it and give us a warning that we acknowledge that we are running it at our own risk? Or how about a version that has some of the features turned off? Or how about just using it as a monitor?

Come on Apple.

>> Use Open Core Legacy Patcher: https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/

I upgraded my 2013 Mac Pro using this. Works great.

 

[TechnoMonk]

One thing this thread confirmed for me was that there’s no value in buying more machine than you need in order to “future proof it”. I have a base iMac 8ram, 256gb drive. Works great and when it doesn’t, I’ll just buy a new one. No need to max out the ram and the SSD space if that doesn’t really future proof anything anyway. As mentioned, not very environmentally prudent, but I’ll do my best to recycle it / dispose of it properly when the time comes.

I have almost always have computing needs increase. My M1 Max 64 GB RAM upgraded from Intel 32 GB RAM saved money from upgrades when my RAM need went up. If you are casual user, base model makes sense.

 

[ger19]

I have almost always have computing needs increase. My M1 Max 64 GB RAM upgraded from Intel 32 GB RAM saved money from upgrades when my RAM need went up. If you are casual user, base model makes sense.

If I needed more when I buy it, then I would pay the extra. It’s not necessarily a casual user thing. This thread just shows, there’s not much point in the thought of buying up, from whatever level you’re at, to “future proof” your computer. If I felt different, then the iMac is probably not a good machine to buy. It’s not in any realistic way upgradeable so it’s basically an expensive disposable machine.

 

[Cbjensen]

I have a Late 2015 27" iMac and just found out that because Apple won't let it upgrade to OSX 13 that I cannot run the current version of TurboTax. I am sure there are many more programs that will also be impacted. Now before you all get on me about this, realize that with my iMac I got the upgraded video card, have the 3TB Fusion Drive and added 32GB of RAM. I have no idea why this can't be allowed to download the newest OS. After thinking about it, I said, maybe I should just get a mini and use this iMac as a monitor, right? Wrong. Apple had a display port on the 2009-2014 iMacs and then removed it in 2015. My iMac runs perfectly and I just can't believe that with all the "reduce your carbon footprint" stuff that Apple won't even let me use this as a monitor.

Now I'm faced with just putting this in the closet to collect dust. This is such a WASTE.

I understand that Apple tests their new software with older Mac's and can see that the system may run slower or have some risks that we don't know about, but how about let us load it and give us a warning that we acknowledge that we are running it at our own risk? Or how about a version that has some of the features turned off? Or how about just using it as a monitor?

Come on Apple.

I feel ya, I have a 2019 iMac that I'm sure it's days of being supported are numbered- which I'm less then excited about. One thing I do regret opting for was the Fusion Drive .. not a fan ..

Although I have a late 2009 iMac as well that just died on me roughly a year ago.

If only you could at least run other operating systems on Mac's so one could avoid some ewaste

 

[TechnoMonk]

If I needed more when I buy it, then I would pay the extra. It’s not necessarily a casual user thing. This thread just shows, there’s not much point in the thought of buying up, from whatever level you’re at, to “future proof” your computer. If I felt different, then the iMac is probably not a good machine to buy. It’s not in any realistic way upgradeable so it’s basically an expensive disposable machine.

I didn’t need 64 GB when I bought it. I know folks who upgraded for lack of RAM, after a year or two. If you are a casual user, computing needs hardly change. With unified memory it’s important to plan if you are using it for professional use. My family uses MBA m2 base model with 8GB.”, they are generic users.

 

[redcarian]

"Do the OCLP hack," is not as easy as you make it appear, and is commonly neither reliable nor stable. It's a crapshoot on a Mac by Mac basis. Not dependable for any serious, income-producing or important work.

If your Mac is critical to bringing home the bacon and keeping the roof over your head, surely you’re going to price in a current, supported, AppleCare-ed computer as part of your cost base?

This doesn’t have to be anything more than a base SKU Air or Mini.

 

[Jago]

I have a Late 2015 27" iMac

I have no idea why this can't be allowed to download the newest OS.

Think really really hard, it will come to you.

Come on Apple.

Come on Mike.

 

[MBAir2010]

HEY!
How much does OP owe the IRS in '24 taxes?
or
how much of a rebate OP is receiving this year?

enquiring minds wanna know!

 

[binaryfuneral]

You're upset because you got nearly ten years out of a computer before it became obsolete? First world problems, man. Just buy another one and get another ten years.

Strange thing to gripe about.

 

[binaryfuneral]

I share the OP’s pain. I have an Etch a Sketch and the Apple Pencil doesn’t work on it. Planned obsolescence!

/thread

 

[sleeptodream]

Already happens. Sierra (10.12) turned my mid-2010 MBP into a paperweight years ago. Installing an SSD brought it back, thankfully. But the point is, the computer was fine until the update. Huge mistake.

Edit - Want to hear something else about iPhone updates? My mother’s iPhone 7 Plus battery life did not see a noticeable improvement after replacing the battery at the Apple Store. Seriously. Its percentage was like in the 70’s prior to the replacement. Now it’s at around 100%. Hardly a change in battery life. What does that tell you?

I mean, it got 6 years of updates, and iOS has continued to grow and add features, so the same chip is going to have to work harder to run it (third party apps have also grown in complexity).

The other options are not providing those feature updates and just giving security updates (which people would complain about), or completely dropping support for it sooner (which people would complain about)

Unless a device -just- gets but fixes after it’s release, it’s sure to get slower and worse battery life over time, regardless of battery health, as the OS, (and apps, and the internet) get more complex and require more clock cycles for the same tasks

& it sounds like the Sierra install might have just borked something, esp if a fresh install on an SSD fixed the issues?

 

[v0lume4]

I mean, it got 6 years of updates, and iOS has continued to grow and add features, so the same chip is going to have to work harder to run it (third party apps have also grown in complexity).

The other options are not providing those feature updates and just giving security updates (which people would complain about), or completely dropping support for it sooner (which people would complain about)

Unless a device -just- gets but fixes after it’s release, it’s sure to get slower and worse battery life over time, regardless of battery health, as the OS, (and apps, and the internet) get more complex and require more clock cycles for the same tasks

& it sounds like the Sierra install might have just borked something, esp if a fresh install on an SSD fixed the issues?

Computers are way different than smartphones. It’s completely normal (and expected) for a 10 year old computer to work. That’s the way it is for both Windows and Linux. Apple is the odd one out here. They treat their macOS updates like iPhone updates — a big numbered updates each year. And then developers have to target that specific update (and older ones if they choose, kudos to the ones that do). But the underlying code base is largely the same. It’s an arbitrary limitation by Apple.

Again, Apple stands alone on this. My example says it all. My same laptop computer runs modern software but only under the Windows partition.