I am so mad at Apple

[G5isAlive]

Eh. A random PC desktop from 2015 could easily still run the latest version of TurboTax with no workaroundsies. It's Apple's constant yearly updates and forced obsolescence that caused this problem.

People complain when Apple doesn't update. People complain when it does. Apple didn't become the second most profitable company in the world (behind an oil company) by being as stupid as some would suggest. And, as has been pointed out, it was actually Turbo Tax, not Apple that forced this issue. Are you a developer? Because if you were you would know if you play by Apple's software rules, with a few exceptions, your code doesn't become obsolete overnight. It alarms me that Turbo Tax, which agreed shouldn't be that complicated to be reliable, broke when Apple updated its operating system.

 

[G5isAlive]

The issue with macOS is that the yearly new OS versions tend to break compatibility in ways such that it takes significant effort for apps to support many years of macOS versions into the past. This is rarely an issue on Windows.

Not 100% accurate. Apple supplies developers with well defined guidelines, frameworks, and API's for developers to use. Some developers take short cuts to work around Apple and then complain when their shortcuts are not supported by Apple. It's rare for Apple developers to both follow the rules, and have their code break as you suggest.

Perhaps it's not as much an issue on Windows because people seem to hold on to antiquated versions of the OS for longer.

 

[noblesoul117]

I forget the specifics, but there might be a way to get newer OSs running on old hardware. Worth looking into. I believe it’s a similar process to how people get macOS to run on virtual machines.

It doesn’t really matter that you upgraded all those other things, because the main limiter is the CPU. I could see ten years of OS support being possible for Apple Silicon, but 7-10 years is pushing it for Intel.

 

[MBAir2010]

None of the Macbooks in our household had problems opening TextEdit files

Okay then i will go to your home when i need to open some text edit files....
.got Molsons? i can bring some over!

If you're seeing this problem under Monterey, maybe an update to macOS 13 Ventura or higher would fix this for you?

switching back to sonoma or ventura is not an option since i need to open files via tab file "blah blah"
we have no idea what this function is called anymore

thanks for your concern though....

 

[Astuces iOS]

just upgrade to macOS Monterey? why are you mad?

 

[johannnn]

Apple allowing 10 year old hardware to run latest os: MY COMPUTER IS SO SLOW I HATE APPLE

Apple not allowing 10 year old hardware to run latest os: I CANT RUN SOFTWARE XYZ BECAUSE THE DEV HAS INCREASED THE SPEC REQUIREMENT, I HATE APPLE

 

[sdp4462]

I have a Late 2015 27" iMac and just found out that because Apple won't let it upgrade to OSX 13 that I cannot run the current version of TurboTax. I am sure there are many more programs that will also be impacted. Now before you all get on me about this, realize that with my iMac I got the upgraded video card, have the 3TB Fusion Drive and added 32GB of RAM. I have no idea why this can't be allowed to download the newest OS. After thinking about it, I said, maybe I should just get a mini and use this iMac as a monitor, right? Wrong. Apple had a display port on the 2009-2014 iMacs and then removed it in 2015. My iMac runs perfectly and I just can't believe that with all the "reduce your carbon footprint" stuff that Apple won't even let me use this as a monitor.

Now I'm faced with just putting this in the closet to collect dust. This is such a WASTE.

I understand that Apple tests their new software with older Mac's and can see that the system may run slower or have some risks that we don't know about, but how about let us load it and give us a warning that we acknowledge that we are running it at our own risk? Or how about a version that has some of the features turned off? Or how about just using it as a monitor?

Come on Apple.

I think you'd have more luck writing your congress people and president and asking for a tax code that doesn't require software.

 

[Astuces iOS]

Apple allowing 10 year old hardware to run latest os: MY COMPUTER IS SO SLOW I HATE APPLE

Apple not allowing 10 year old hardware to run latest os: I CANT RUN SOFTWARE XYZ BECAUSE THE DEV HAS INCREASED THE SPEC REQUIREMENT, I HATE APPLE

Bro do you expect a 10 year old Mac tu run perfectly? And the dev aren’t apple lol

 

[Parowdy]

The intent of brining it up was to say without saying “I’m not some android loving troll”. Obviously if my username I created years ago is “iBreatheApple”, I’m alluding to the fact that I was a pretty hardcore fanboy that is beginning to fade. Thanks for the reply, I guess?

Yeah that wasnt supposed to be a sarcastic comment. I just thought it was funny that someone with that username (with an actually logical lower case i) was saying that. I get the confusion, but it was an honest comment from my part.

 

[mjs916]

I have a Late 2015 27" iMac and just found out that because Apple won't let it upgrade to OSX 13 that I cannot run the current version of TurboTax. I am sure there are many more programs that will also be impacted. Now before you all get on me about this, realize that with my iMac I got the upgraded video card, have the 3TB Fusion Drive and added 32GB of RAM. I have no idea why this can't be allowed to download the newest OS. After thinking about it, I said, maybe I should just get a mini and use this iMac as a monitor, right? Wrong. Apple had a display port on the 2009-2014 iMacs and then removed it in 2015. My iMac runs perfectly and I just can't believe that with all the "reduce your carbon footprint" stuff that Apple won't even let me use this as a monitor.

Now I'm faced with just putting this in the closet to collect dust. This is such a WASTE.

I understand that Apple tests their new software with older Mac's and can see that the system may run slower or have some risks that we don't know about, but how about let us load it and give us a warning that we acknowledge that we are running it at our own risk? Or how about a version that has some of the features turned off? Or how about just using it as a monitor?

Come on Apple.

My 2011 iMac with 12 GB of RAM runs 15.1.1. Your machine is vastly more capable. I believe I found out how to install it from the forums here.

I’m now capable of installing some new-ish applications, and I have more access to MacOS Continuity features I originally missed out on.

There are definite issues with this though. It won’t handle the fancy Weather animations at all so I’ve turned those off, while apps that can run don’t necessarily run well, and some that you think could run, simply won’t (probably RAM related). But the software locks are gone!

 

[PsykX]

Well is there a problem with just sticking to the version you can use?
I try to never update/upgrade from something that works.

You can't declare your tax with a software from a previous year

 

[Corefile]

I have a Late 2015 27" iMac and just found out that because Apple won't let it upgrade to OSX 13 that I cannot run the current version of TurboTax.

I think Apple would prefer you to use the free alternatives such as cash.app/taxes for filing in the US.

 

[Fishrrman]

The OP started this thread last Tuesday at 6.03pm
He was "last seen" as being on MacRumors last Tuesday at 6.07pm.

Nothing since.
Hasn't even come back "to look".
I don't think he'll be returning.

 

[pshufd]

Okay. Well, I have.

iOS 7 killed my iPad 2. Usable, but a terrible terrible experience.

macOS 10.12 Sierra literally crippled my old MacBook Pro. It worked fine on 10.11, but after updating to 10.12 it would routinely freeze to the point of requiring a force reboot. Thankfully some hardware upgrades saved it (back when you could do those on MacBooks).

So I hope you can better understand where I’m coming from now. Happy to share my experiences (happy is sort of the wrong word actually but you get my point, ha).

Edit - You may have seen my reply to another poster about my mother’s iPhone 7 Plus gaining virtually no increase in battery life after a battery replacement at the Apple Store which is suspicious to say the least. iOS 15.

I'm using my iPad 2 as a clock in the living room. I use my iPad mini 2 as a clock in the basement.

 

[asdfjkl;]

In case no one else has suggested OCLP (open core legacy patcher):

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[Astuces iOS]

In case no one else has suggested OCLP (open core legacy patcher):

.

I DO NOT SUGGEST THIS ! It could cause more problems, just update to Monterey will be ok since the app requires 10.13!

 

[v0lume4]

I'm using my iPad 2 as a clock in the living room. I use my iPad mini 2 as a clock in the basement.

Indeed. “Usable, but a terrible terrible experience.” is what I said.

I wonder if it was the 512MB of RAM. The mini 2 had more, I believe. That OS update simply should have never been approved for the iPad 2 during QA testing.

 

[Altis]

Both intel, Apple and other vendors have a well established support time frame: support for 12-36 months, anything beyond that is a bonus.

Right, it's a business decision, not a technical one. Things are being made "obsolete" by assertion because they make money when you have to buy new things. It has nothing to do with your device actually being deficient and in need of an upgrade.

Don't like it? Don't buy it.

The trivial solution, when one has no argument.

M1, M2 and M3 are within the extended support time frame that Apple typically offers which is in line with or longer than the industry average - typically expect 7-10 years of macOS support, being listed as "Vintage" at year 7 and "Obsolete" at year 10. This is not new. This is not some conspiracy to screw you over personally. This has been pretty standard in the industry since I've been using computers as a child 40 years ago.

Expect M1 to go vintage in 2027, and unsupported in 2030 at the latest.

Right -- currently supported devices with years to go have hardware vulnerabilities. So the argument that older hardware must drop support due to similar vulnerabilities is entirely moot.

Again: you're talking about 10 year old hardware here. It ran the OS it shipped with, it has had 5+ years of support: if you want to run Linux on it go nuts, but do not expect vendor support from ANYWHERE - including Ubuntu or Redhat if something goes sideways with it.

You keep saying that Linux runs just fine on it - so will macOS if you run OCLP. It still isn't supported though. I genuinely think some people have a really confused notion of what "support" is, and some MASSIVELY skewed and unreasonable expectations regarding expected time-frames.

Go call say, Chevrolet for an update to your onboard entertainment software for a 2015 year car.

Your car does not require entertainment softwares updates to be safe to drive on the road, or to drive on new roads built after the car. Nobody would accept having to junkyard their 10 year old car that works just fine because it needs to be software-supported, and being told "of course you have to scrap it and buy a new car -- who cares if it works, it's OLD!"

Again, it's entirely a business decision, not a technical one. Yet it's always presented as a technical necessity, which is very obviously isn't anymore. Back when things were changing rapidly, sure -- now that things are hardly changing in any meaningful way? It's little more than money. It's more obvious when you are expected to throw your 5k iMac in the trash and Apple still sells a nearly identical panel for C$1800.

It's the same reasoning behind software moving ever-more towards subscription models. How else do you compel people to pay you if you can't come up with something new the customer actually needs? Make them unable to own it, of course.

 

[NewOldStock]

They do this to Piss you OFF. YOU yOU YOU... Now, here give me your Money!
Another hit and run piece going no where.
Stir with a big stick and it worked. Author no where to be found as usual.
Commit a subject that has no ends to its means and no correct answers.
BRAVO!!! 👏👏🎬

 

[VulchR]

Every one needs to vent. Let OP have his rant, reasonable or not. Taxes are painful as such.

Agreed. Because I live in the UK I have to spend a day every year filling out forms to inform the IRS I don't make anywhere near enough money to be taxed both in the US and UK. I have to file the forms anyway, which I am sure just get thrown away. In a way though, I don't mind, for I don't want people evading US tax by hiding money overseas.

Anyway, I find TurboTax impenetrable and very user-vindictive, so maybe there is a silver lining to the OP's dilemma.

 

[macfacts]

>>I am so mad at Apple

But you aren't mad enough, just a little mad. I'm sure you are going to continue to give Tim your money for apple products. If you do a search in the forum's for annoying, you will see many people are mad but every year, it is their "best quarter yet."

 

[DBR2025]

I have a Late 2015 27" iMac

I am so mad at you running a 10 year old computer expecting it to run the latest MacOS.

 

[Astuces iOS]

I am so mad at you running a 10 year old computer expecting it to run the latest MacOS.

I am sod mad also he never updated his Mac to macOS Monterey !

 

[Biro]

Hot take: be angry at the IRS not Apple.

Here in the UK we have a nice gov.uk web site you just plug all the crap into and it works it out for you. And it handles all the weird complexities around tax quite happily. Don't have to install anything or use any third party software.

The IRS would like to do this as well. But corporate lobbyists in Congress are making sure that it never happens.

 

[basdeninard]

The IRS would like to do this as well. But corporate lobbyists in Congress are making sure that it never happens.

Lol. Such an American thing. I have heard it is often the same for medical treatment. American doctors have been known to recommend certain medications or treatments because they're being paid off by Big Pharma to do so.

I'm a staunch capitalist, but this is what happens when you have runaway capitalism without common sense rules about what you can and cannot do to maintain fairness in the market, and to protect customers from harm.

As for the comments about the 2015 iMac not supporting macOS 13, I am sure someone by now has pointed out OpenCore Legacy. It's a real irritation when Apple discontinues support for older hardware when it could quite easily run the latest version of macOS without any performance issues, but I guess Tim Apple decided to stop being so generous after their Mac profit margin started to shrink due to the **** product line they had a few years ago.

I have a 2017 iMac and I know that it can't be officially upgraded past macOS 13, but I'm not that bothered to be honest. Before macOS 13, I was running macOS 10.13 (yes, High Sierra). I reluctantly upgraded to macOS 13 only because Homebrew basically stopped working on macOS 10.13. I'm an old skool Mac user, so I know the older versions of Mac OS X really well, but the latest releases... no idea. I pretty much lost track (and lost interest) after High Sierra / Mojave. I suppose for tax software, you really do need to always use the latest version, but they are really sneaky with the way they do it. Many of those apps force you to upgrade each year, even if no changes have been made to the tax code in your country, and they're becoming especially lazy about what versions of macOS and Windows they're willing to support.

I'm thinking of upgrading to a new Mac in the next year or so, as the processor in this iMac is becoming a bit of a bottleneck with the professional software that I need to use, but I am so disappointed that they discontinued the 27-inch iMac. However, I refuse to upgrade just because I can't install the latest version of macOS. That's just doing Apple's bidding.