I am so mad at Apple

[eltoslightfoot]

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This. It works perfectly for situations like this.

 

[Altis]

Sure mundane computing does not need new hardware: anyone can keep their 10-year-old box and 10-year-old OS and 10-year-old app and just compute away.

But like I said, the things I listed [that you foolishly denigrate] are clearly compelling technological advancements. There are many, many other technological advancements also happening; I only listed a few. The tech world advances, and hiding one's head in the sand does not stop it advancing. So feel free to stick with your "10 years old is fine" mentality, but I suggest that y'all keep all components of that 10-year-old plan off the internet, because the bad actors will not also be hiding their heads in the sand.

It's comical -- whenever someone brought up how crazy it was that Apple was still selling 8GB RAM computers in 2024, including the MacBook "Pro", we were forever told how it's fine for the average user. Now I'm told the necessity and value of all these advancements as if they affect those same average users. Apple was five years late to hardware ray tracing, they still don't have AV1 encoders, etc... of course, those never matter until Apple has them -- then it's revolutionary

In the context of this thread, you don't need any of the stuff you mentioned to run tax software, nor general purporse computing (web browser, email, photos, office suite, taxes, etc). I don't "foolishly denigrate" advancements for users who benefit from it -- that's the opposite of what's happening to OP. You can't run your tax software because you don't have hardware ray tracing simply isn't an argument.

Rendering older but perfectly functional computers unusable strictly through assertion is wasteful, and it all comes down to software decisions. It's definitely been a much bigger problem on Apple compared with Microsoft, but deciding to put CPU generation requirements for Windows 11 (that can be overcome, but still) shows the direction they're taking. Meanwhile you can run a lot of the same software using Linux on an abacus.

 

[Baseiseough]

I didn't know there was still a native Mac version of Turbotax. I think the Mac version got canceled at least 10 years ago in Canada. I used to use Bootcamp to run it.

 

[iBreatheApple]

Thread title should be the name of this whole forum: IamsomadatApple.com

No company can stay “on top” forever. Maybe the turning point is not too far in the future. Seems like more and more long time Apple fans, including myself, are “upset” at Apple for various things.

 

[throAU]

Can you point me to where that's been a widespread problem for consumers? Don't Apple's own M1, M2, and M3 have unpatchable hardware security vulnerabilities?...

Whether it is currently widespread or not is not relevant. Apple has decided they won’t support it as Intel have also dropped support for it.

If Apple were to support it they’d be taking on the (ongoing) responsibility for the security of those machines without Intel vendor support. Fixing or working around issues with those things without intel tech support or intel providing a fix is not something anyone sane would take on.

That isn’t going to happen and so the machines are dropped.


Ditto on the Microsoft side. People will be the first to whine at Apple or Microsoft if they lose data or get hacked and it won’t be their fault if you’re running it on ancient hardware but they will still cop flack for it. Even worse it could be the foothold to compromise your entire apple or Microsoft account.

So they drop the hardware. Don’t like it? OCLP, Linux, etc. but you will be in entirely unsupported land and on your head be it.

 

[throAU]

Your iMac has a 6th gen Intel CPU. If it were a PC, Microsoft would kill support for it on October 25 this year. No Windows 11 without a TPM

This has actually been Microsoft policy since the release of windows 11 3-4 years ago.

It has not been supported since like… 2022. Working around installer checks is not “support”.

Support wise: That’s the same sort of unsupported work around as using OCLP to install unsupported macOS.



Also aside from all this: what you were sold still runs what you purchased (and more).

It’s like buying a VCR and complaining nobody makes tapes for it any more.

 

[Analog Kid]

Mad at Apple about Intuit software...

Not much different than I expected when I clicked on this thread title.

 

[throAU]

No company can stay “on top” forever. Maybe the turning point is not too far in the future. Seems like more and more long time Apple fans, including myself, are “upset” at Apple for various things.

People who don’t buy new hardware after 10 years aren’t really customers anyway.

I mean sure. Apple have upset them. What are they going to do? Not buy hardware even more?

 

[johnsawyercjs]

my 2012 macbook pro 13" running mountain lion OSX
that I am typing on now seems to be working much better
than the M1 2020 air, Monterey.

huh?

well i can open text edit files, visit a certain news webpage, play FLAC music
and adjust the screen brightness without closing the lid.
these 4 things that the macbook air 2020 m1 cannot perform!

We have two 2020 M1 Macbook Air models in my household (I have the 16 inch 2021 model), and they can open TextEdit files since TextEdit is still a current app, visit news webpages (don't know about the certain one you cite, without a URL), and adjust screen brightness using the two keys on the keyboard for that purpose, without needing to close the lid. But playing FLAC music files is indeed an issue if you want to use Apple's Music app for it (since they dropped support for FLAC in favor of Apple's ALAC), requiring you to either convert them using a utility, or play them as-is using another media player.

 

[johnsawyercjs]

People who don’t buy new hardware after 10 years aren’t really customers anyway.

I mean sure. Apple have upset them. What are they going to do? Not buy hardware even more?

Lots of these people may not be buying new Apple hardware, but they may be buying various Apple services (Apple Music, cloud storage above the free amount, an Apple TV subscription, etc.), so they're still Apple customers. Which is one of the major reasons Apple started going into services so heavily years ago.

 

[soulbot]

I have a Late 2015 27" iMac and just found out that because Apple won't let it upgrade to OSX 13 that I cannot run the current version of TurboTax. I am sure there are many more programs that will also be impacted. Now before you all get on me about this, realize that with my iMac I got the upgraded video card, have the 3TB Fusion Drive and added 32GB of RAM. I have no idea why this can't be allowed to download the newest OS. After thinking about it, I said, maybe I should just get a mini and use this iMac as a monitor, right? Wrong. Apple had a display port on the 2009-2014 iMacs and then removed it in 2015. My iMac runs perfectly and I just can't believe that with all the "reduce your carbon footprint" stuff that Apple won't even let me use this as a monitor.

Now I'm faced with just putting this in the closet to collect dust. This is such a WASTE.

I understand that Apple tests their new software with older Mac's and can see that the system may run slower or have some risks that we don't know about, but how about let us load it and give us a warning that we acknowledge that we are running it at our own risk? Or how about a version that has some of the features turned off? Or how about just using it as a monitor?

Come on Apple.

I had this same issue with TurboTax. A few years back when I completed my return there was an alert that said next year’s version of TT wasn’t going to be compatible with my current version of MacOS.

So I bought Parallels and a copy of Windows 10 to install into it. Wasn’t excited to throw that money at it but it beat the hell out of buying a whole new computer.

The past 3 (maybe 4?) years I’ve been buying the Windows version of TT and carrying on.

I’d suggest you do the same.

 

[sifpilsen]

TurboTax on old hardware will get harder as the windows version will move to windows 11 only too. Start preparing for a hardware update, use Boot Camp and Windows 10 for now. At some stage reverting to web version or updating the hardware is to be expected.

 

[apples_arrogance]

Linux Mint runs great on my 2015 MacBook Pro. The absence of dark patters and a company continuously trying to sell services or shove AI down my throat is a blessing.

Edit: if you want to stay on macOS, there is OpenCoreLegacyPatcher, which comes with mild maintenance work but allows current OS on old macs. That also works quite well on an old iMac for me.

 

[MBAir2010]

and they can open TextEdit files since TextEdit is still a current app,

while using Monterey?
every time i need to pen a text edit file, that program crashes,
i see this "do you wish to report this to ?" letters more than the shirt sizes on my collar!
to open a file, one must use the finder route.

 

[cheesygrin]

Totally understand the frustration, but the reality of course is that 10 years is a good run for any computer. The fact that Apple computers age so much better than others makes it more frustrating when we have to stop using them!

There’s more than just clock speed and quantity of RAM and storage that dictates if an old computer can run a modern OS though - CPU and chip technology is constantly evolving - so these days I would recommend not speccing a new computer as highly, and being prepared to replace them more often instead. This is especially true if you’re running important business software, in which case you need to be running a fully supported, relatively modern system.

 

[Rychiar]

sell it, I sold my 2017 iMac last year for $1000 and got a studio display and a mini

 

[TEG]

I have a Late 2015 27" iMac and just found out that because Apple won't let it upgrade to OSX 13 that I cannot run the current version of TurboTax. I am sure there are many more programs that will also be impacted. Now before you all get on me about this, realize that with my iMac I got the upgraded video card, have the 3TB Fusion Drive and added 32GB of RAM. I have no idea why this can't be allowed to download the newest OS. After thinking about it, I said, maybe I should just get a mini and use this iMac as a monitor, right? Wrong. Apple had a display port on the 2009-2014 iMacs and then removed it in 2015. My iMac runs perfectly and I just can't believe that with all the "reduce your carbon footprint" stuff that Apple won't even let me use this as a monitor.

Now I'm faced with just putting this in the closet to collect dust. This is such a WASTE.

I understand that Apple tests their new software with older Mac's and can see that the system may run slower or have some risks that we don't know about, but how about let us load it and give us a warning that we acknowledge that we are running it at our own risk? Or how about a version that has some of the features turned off? Or how about just using it as a monitor?

Come on Apple.

You are expecting a 10 year old computer to still get updates?

You should be more mad at Intuit. There is no reason you need a newer version of of the OS for Tax Software. They are the ones arbitrarily locking you down. And why you should always use the web versions, anyway.

There is also OCLP which WILL allow you to update.

 

[Fishrrman]

OP has gone silent.
I suspect he's left everyone else here to argue amongst themselves...

 

[Mac_fan75]

Buy yourself a Mac Mini M4 base version and connect it to your iMac screen, you get like a 1000000x more performance and for pretty low cost.

 

[MBAir2010]

OP has gone silent.
I suspect he's left everyone else here to argue amongst themselves...

I would definitely argue and debate this post, but i am in a good mood!
most OPers here have the attention span of a joint assault bridge they use in the army,
only for a minute or two.

im only paying attention here to see how much of a tax rebate OP gets.......

 

[redheeler]

OP has gone silent.
I suspect he's left everyone else here to argue amongst themselves...

Intuit is a pretty horrible company, this isn't a political thread so I won't get into why, but the best and easiest solution to me is to simply find an alternative tax software.

And then in the longer term consider the monitor conversion so the iMac display and chassis can be reused.

Thread done.

 

[v0lume4]

That anecdotes on the internet are just that?

I can only speak from my own experience, but when I’ve seen 100% of my Apple devices be crippled by updates after owning various Apple devices for almost 15 years, I start noticing trends.

Of course, this is well documented and this isn’t unique to me. Hardly anecdotal as this point. But you knew that already.

 

[Honza1]

Just like OCLP for the OP to run the latest macos on his imac, there's plenty of workarounds to get past Microsoft's Windows 11 requirements. I have it running perfectly fine on a 16 year old Core i7 920 from 2009.

These are my work computers, multiple computers. Businesses will not do workarounds. What a waste!
My home computers are different things.

 

[Parowdy]

No company can stay “on top” forever. Maybe the turning point is not too far in the future. Seems like more and more long time Apple fans, including myself, are “upset” at Apple for various things.

I „I breath Apple“ is upset that’s saying something

 

[pshufd]

I read the first page and the last page so apologies if what I say has already been said.

I have a Late 2015 iMac which is sitting on a table while I decide what I want to do with it. I upgraded to a 2017 iMac Pro which I really love. It's running TurboTax Premier desktop too. I do not like the online version of TurboTax as I have to import a lot of investment data and that's easier to do on a desktop. I also don't want to deal with any potential lag issues doing taxes online and I prefer to store my data on my computer instead of Intuit's servers.

I ran TurboTax on my Mac Studio last year and performance was miserable. It's apparently built with Electron and it runs via Rosetta 2. I installed it this year on my iMac Pro and it runs really fast. Why Intuit doesn't have a native Apple Silicon kit is beyond me.

So if you want to run TurboTax for tax year 2024, you need to be running Ventura which the Late 2015 iMac doesn't support. It only goes up to Monterey. So your options are to use Boot Camp to install Windows, or run Ventura/Sonoma/Sequoia via OCLP. I do plan to try OCLP on an external SSD with the Late 2015 iMac but I could also just sell it. I tried installing Windows via BootCamp and couldn't get it to work. My guess is that this is an incompatibility between Boot Camp drivers and the Windows 10 and 11 kits. I suspect that I'd need to use OCLP to get update Boot Camp to be able to install Windows. I am able to use Boot Camp on my 2015 MacBook Pro successfully but not the Late 2015 iMac.