He hasn’t given money to Tim in 10 years using old system. Try harder.
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I am so mad at Apple
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I want Intuit to distribute a M-series processor version that does not require Rosetta emulation (for older Mac's).
I gave up on Intuit products on Mac long time ago. One of the few times I boot to windows is to use their products. Mac was always an after thought.
Came here to say this! I have a 2012 Mac mini that runs Sequoia just great (with limitations, of course, but just great for the needs)!Open Core Legacy Pacher
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On the topic of why - Apple does a great job of providing software support for ~7 years. They often provide security updates for the last OS that is officially available for an additional 3. Typically the reason is not because the hardware CAN'T run the OS, but there are often features and APIs that it CAN'T run and drivers that are no longer relevant to the hardware that is currently available. In all software development, there is an over/under on continuing to ensure compatibility and continuing to update and support drivers that simply aren't relevant anymore. Apple has chosen on the side of dropping support sooner than other software companies choose to (although this is actually to some extent a myth - often in the Windows world, the drivers are supported by the vendor and in the Linux world, the drivers are often supported by the open source community). In the macOS world, the drivers are generally supported by Apple as the first party vendor (they certainly get and derive code and support from the vendor, but their solutions are so tightly integrated customized and/or integrated that the drivers that ship with macOS are in fact first party to macOS). Now why hardware vendors don't generally provide macOS drivers is beyond me, but that's another story. Most Mac hardware vendors seem to choose parts and chipsets that are already supported by the OS to avoid the need to write drivers.
I share the OP’s pain. I have an Etch a Sketch and the Apple Pencil doesn’t work on it. Planned obsolescence!
My 2017 27” iMac that cost more than three grand when I bought it in 2018 won’t run Sonoma for no good reason other than forced obsolescence. There an app for that!
OpenCore Legacy Patcher is your friend!!! Grab a thumb drive with 16 GB of disk space, download and install it on your Mac, run it, pick the OS you want to load, plug in that drive and it’ll download the version of Mac OS you want to run and it’ll create a USB based installer on that drive that lets you upgrade the OS. Just be sure to open the software annd then create a partition on the SSD of your Fusion Drive to create the partition that acts as a boot manager for the OS or you have to boot it from the USB drive every time.
You can run an even a newer version of MacOS than Apple allows you to. You might be able to install Sonoma but even if you can’t on your 2015 iMac you will be able to install Ventura (MacOS 13) and run TurboTax.
Check your make and model against the list on the website and you can see which version of MacOS you can run on it and what, if any, limitations it might have and you’ll be able to upgrade your iMac to a newer OS. Mine runs Sonoma just fine. Of course sooner rather than later they’ll stop releasing versions of MacOS that can run on Intel processors.
I believe the last Intel Macs were released in 2020 so there’s a chance the next version of MacOS won’t support Intel processors at all though I’d think to give users who bought new machines at least 5 full years of support for the latest OS that the next version of MacOS will still support Intel processors but that’ll likely be the end of road.
Either way, squeeze an extra few years out of it by going to Ventura or Sonoma. Just get a good backup of your machine in case there are issues post install but I don’t think you’ll have a problem. I haven’t had any so far. Touch ID wouldn’t work for me but I don’t have a keyboard with TouchID built into it so I didn’t care about that. Obviously Apple Intelligence doesn’t work either because it’s an Intel processor.
Also be sure to run the function that installs root patches after the new OS first boots the first time and again anytime you install an OS update to a new version. When Sonoma boots after I install a new Sonoma point release, and initially after I installed Sonoma, I had no wireless connectivity. Installing the those root patches are the key to getting the WiFi (in my case, I’m not sure what hardware you have that may not work right until you install the root patches) working again, install them, restart the computer and the hardware that doesn’t initially work will start working again.
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It seems strange to me that no one has said it, but:
You’re complaining about Apple dropping support for a decade old computing device.
You’ve had a decades computing out of it, you should be pleased, not disappointed.
It’s time to pay your Apple tax and buy a new device. It’ll be more powerful, it’ll be faster. The new Mac Mini is a bargain.
I had a 2012 MBP, that I retired in 2021, as although it still worked, it no longer met my needs for graphical work. Guess what? My M1 Pro MBP was so powerful that I started doing 3d work on a Mac, instead of on my PC workstation.
You’re complaining about Apple dropping support for a decade old computing device.
You’ve had a decades computing out of it, you should be pleased, not disappointed.
It’s time to pay your Apple tax and buy a new device. It’ll be more powerful, it’ll be faster. The new Mac Mini is a bargain.
I had a 2012 MBP, that I retired in 2021, as although it still worked, it no longer met my needs for graphical work. Guess what? My M1 Pro MBP was so powerful that I started doing 3d work on a Mac, instead of on my PC workstation.
Although a lawnmower might last for decades that is not what often happens with technology. Had to toss a perfectly good p-touch printer from Brother because their software no longer supported it. My 2013 car had google earth maps, address navigation, weather, etc. With the disconnection of the 2G networks these all went away. When I bought my first Canon camera I was told that it would last a lifetime. Well the camera still works but to get the latest features offered by mirrorless it required not only a new camera but often new lenses.
I marvel at the amazing advances we are seeing in computing and other technology based devices, but accept the fact that things are eventually going to be come obsolete and stop working. It is the natural consequence of new stuff requiring hardware features not present on older devices.
Your iMac are 10 yrs, it's a good run - there's way to use it as a monitor I believe. I'm sure you'll find somewhere around this place.
I traded in my 2013 iMac and bought the Mac Studio 2022, and an ASD - I was not interested in using the the old iMac one as a display, it wasn't even retina.
I was happy to have it for 9 years, it served me really well.
But the day always comes, when we need to move on to newer stuff, and if we're smart we know when it's time, and have saved and have the means to do it, if it matters enough for us.
Then it's a blast of joy, to begin anew with fresh Apple's and letting go of the not so speedy or fresh ones.
Planning the Apple garden, is key.
In this case though, I don’t think Apple is to blame. It isn’t unreasonable to provide OS updates for a limited amount of time, and support for new OS revisions for an even shorter period of time. The computer doesn’t stop working because it cannot run the most recent OS.
The problem in this case is that TurboTax does not appear to run on an older OS, which sounds absurd to me. I cannot imagine a tax app needs to rely on any API or any other OS feature released in the last decade.
That's because the people in the MR forums don't reflect the mass market of Apple customers. The people here are a vanishingly small percentage of Apple's market, probably not even a rounding error. But the entitlement I see in these forums, people who say Apple must do what they want or the business will fail, is completely out of touch with reality.
I have a 2015 MacBook on Sequoia OCLP, 2012 MBP on Sequoia via OCLP, and they all could run this years's Turbotax.
This is all so ridiculous on the face of it that I assume it is a joke to bring out the trolls…
- The only thing you use the iMac for is to run 2024 TurboTax? Nothing else? This is why it has to gather dust in a closet?
- Did Apple commit to supporting 10 future years of TurboTax in 2015?
- Should I demand Apple support OSX on my Apple ][+ ?
- Is your problem not with the makers of TurboTax? Don’t they know about the majority of their core customers running TurboTax 24/7/365 on 10-year old hardware?
- Does all the tech you bought 10+ years ago still work with everything else modern and current?
- Were you unaware that the display port was not present back in 2015? Was this some deception by Apple?
- Was there any claim in 2015 that the add-ons you paid for then would imply infinite support for the core product?
- If you want to “reduce your carbon footprint” you shouldn’t be running such inefficient old hardware, but then since you only ever run TurboTax on it, I suppose there is very little excess carbon entering the atmosphere.
Wait, so tax software is only supported for 1 year? Make Apple’s 10 years of hardware support seem overly generous.
It’s like being in a bad relationship, can’t let go, can’t stand other party. Apple is a company, not your friend or a person. But if it works for you, if not buy something else. If OP thinks 10 years is too short, buy something else.
Huh?
How could they support it for more than 1 year if government rules change every year?
That makes absolutely no sense...
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I want Intuit to distribute a M-series processor version that does not require Rosetta emulation (for older Mac's).
It is unnecessary overhead for M-based processor systems that have been in the wild for 5 years now...
Rosetta can be forcibly removed with substantial effort. Getting tired of having to do that annually (after filing my taxes) for only one aging app that Intuit hasn't bothered to update.
All other apps on my Mac's (M1 Studio Base Max and M3 Pro 14") execute natively and do not require Rosetta emulation.
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It's stuff like this (deliberate, arbitrary obsolescing/sidelining hardware) which definitely does not endear Apple to a lot of people out there.
Moreover, how do they square this sort of behavior with eco responsibility?
Moreover, how do they square this sort of behavior with eco responsibility?
Lol. They don't really care about that.
It's just a manipulation for commercial reasons, like all Big Tech companies.
It’s not arbitrary, Apple has a clearly defined policy, which is pretty common across the industry.
In a this case it’s intuit, that dropped support for older OS. Same goes on with printers, and older windows machines. Good luck getting 10 years out of dell or Lenovo.
As a long time quick books user, this is nothing new from intuit when it comes to lack of Mac OS support for most of their product lines. Never was priority to support Mac’s in the right way.