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I can't stand the fact that the iPhone 4 has better specs than the iPad
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Yeah, it seems my iPad is running only half as fast as it was day before the announcement...
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Honestly what IS it about tech forums that attracts the neurotic?
...troll.
Honestly what IS it about tech forums that attracts the neurotic?
I think you will find the closing of apps while multitasking is for battery conservation and the new iphone will do exactly the same.
Also the iPhone will be running a radio system in the background (the 'fone bit) so the extra memory will be to help that also.
Honestly comments like these are made just by people who seem not to understand the whole - I buy something that works and OMFG technology moved on a step and now I feel inferior - holy cow get over it - if you like your iPad who cares what is under the hood?
In fact if thats all you really care about maybe you should go join the pc-tech chasers.....
(sorry for the rant just fed up of people slagging off hardware (not just apple - I mean what about those who shelled out for a new sony micro laptop only for them to release a new one three weeks later......)
get a life
Well my Original iPhone was faster on 1.X a little slower on 2.X and unbearably slow on 3.X. They purposely slow it down, and it's going to suck to hear that iPad has a 24 month life cycle before the model is EOL. Just like iPhones and iPod touches. So they could have put more RAM but it would cost then an entire $5 extra, and pad costs around $260 to build so $265 isn't bad when they charge $499 for it. But why waste $5 if they can get their fanboys to burn $500 each time a new pad comes out a year later. Some one on this forum was fricken pissed when they couldn't pre-order a re iPhone 4 even though they already had a perfectly functional iPhone 3GS 32GB.
This is a fat load of ********. I have an original iPhone and it's only gotten faster as release rolled on...
... as measured by an Apple app like, say, Safari or iTunes. New third party apps built with the 3GS as a target are, of course, gonna run slower. That's not the platform's fault per se.
The reason Apple didn't include more ram with the iPad is that it didn't need it. The 3Gs doesn't need it either. Developers can't even use it -- under iOS 3.2 we had a max of 32 MB available in the simulator; try to use more than that and your app was forced to shut down. And since both these devices can use all functions of iOS 4, most iPhone 4 users won't need 512 meg, either. It's probably a buffer for hi def video and conferencing...and it's likely overkill, but they don't sell fractional chips -- there's no value between 256 and 512 that makes sense to glue onto your SoC. And since denser chips are bigger, generate more heat and take more power, it's even possible that adding additional ram may decrease the value of a portable device.
Indeed, the biggest complaint I've heard about the Evo is that all of the things that make it a decent computer in turn make it a ****** phone. It's big, it eats up juice, and some of its bulleted features are poorly integrated.
... as measured by an Apple app like, say, Safari or iTunes. New third party apps built with the 3GS as a target are, of course, gonna run slower. That's not the platform's fault per se.
The reason Apple didn't include more ram with the iPad is that it didn't need it. The 3Gs doesn't need it either. Developers can't even use it -- under iOS 3.2 we had a max of 32 MB available in the simulator; try to use more than that and your app was forced to shut down. And since both these devices can use all functions of iOS 4, most iPhone 4 users won't need 512 meg, either. It's probably a buffer for hi def video and conferencing...and it's likely overkill, but they don't sell fractional chips -- there's no value between 256 and 512 that makes sense to glue onto your SoC. And since denser chips are bigger, generate more heat and take more power, it's even possible that adding additional ram may decrease the value of a portable device.
Indeed, the biggest complaint I've heard about the Evo is that all of the things that make it a decent computer in turn make it a ****** phone. It's big, it eats up juice, and some of its bulleted features are poorly integrated.
Well from my experiences and my brothers, they are sadly slower as each new update rolls along. Some people on MR say the same. I even did a fresh install of the iOS, in my case iOS 3.1.3, and set it up as a new phone. It was still slower than an Original iPhone running 2.2.1 with nothing on it. Safari took longer to load, iPod.app took longer to load the songs. Messages.app took 4 seconds to open.
You might think that but youd be wrong. When I pull up circuitous and I have tabs open in a browser, and mediafly going on in the background and look and see 10 megs left, I know somethings going to shutdown spectacularly very soon. and it has nothing to do with battery.
Comments like yours are made by people who just dont get that jobs loves to downgrade equipment so he can charge you for it later, ie a2dp in 2nd gen touches.
Apology accepted for the totally offbase rant. I will do as you say and attempt to get a life though.
not really downgrading is it? I mean does 'Steve' reach out and make your hardware slower? nope - things move on and older stuff doesn't do everything newer stuff does. Same with everything really and yes I agree Apple does want you to buy newer things from them - that's how they stay in business.
oh dear.....
Well I for one am annoyed that my new iPad has got less RAM and lacks the gyroscope of the iPhone 4. The products were released close together, it would have been nice if the iPads specs had not so quickly been surpassed by the phone. This will result in the iPhone running games and other applications that my iPad simply will not be able to run. I was expecting this to happen but thought it would have been at least a year not months.
Actually I do think that Jobs looks at it in design phase and says lets only put 256 megs of memory to force people to upgrade sooner rather than later since we have this new shiny tablet market to ourselves for the time being. Whereas on the phone side there is quite a bit of competition and so Jobs & Co wants to put out a more complete product. As Zillio was correct pointing out, these products were in the design phase together, and ipad should have had 512 megs.
Is it a deal breaker for me? No, but I am more apt to spend my money elsewhere in the future.
1G iPhone - 2G network only due to battery life, despite the fact other phones had 3G
2G Touch launches with BT chip, yet BT disabled. Had to pay "due to accounting procedures" Also once BT enabled, no headset profile.
MBP - Had wireless N (or G cant remember) in hardware disabled, but would be enabled for a charge
ipad - 256 megs of memory which is just sufficient. Also lacking BT headset profile.
I see a pattern here...
The gyroscope is a bigger deal than anything else.
Cameras on the iPad don't make much sense because of the form factor. Try taping a small mirror to a composition notebook; see if you can find a position where you can hold the book and keep yourself in frame. It's pretty hard. Personally I think most racing games suffer from the same issue.
More memory doesn't make much sense if the device already had enough. Again: developers might not get to use the extra memory, and if they want to support the install base they won't be using more than 32 MB, anyway.
Apple's design aesthetic is fairly simple: don't implement bad features. An awkward camera and unusable memory are bad features. You want a bunch of technology you can't use, go buy an HTC.
Welcome to the wonderful world of technology! Please enjoy your stay, and buy the second gen iPad when it comes out around christmas
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And the first gen iPhone had revolutionary-for-the-time battery life; twice that of my wife's 3G SYNC, even when not browsing. Let's not forget: the device had one of the slimmest form factors, the biggest screen and one of the most powerful processors on the market. If the radio would have knocked 10-20% off that life, or added some to the weight/thickness, it would have been a big deal.
Let's talk a minute about an engineering principle called "integration." Integration is the science of taking multiple components, each with its own independent functionality and combining them to form a coherent new device. Because multifunction components are in high demand, it's becoming common to find a multifunction component is cheaper, smaller and more low power than components that fill any one of its functions. However, you still need to integrate each of those functions and it's pretty common to not integrate the features of a component if they don't meet the intent of your device -- this allows you to focus design energy on the features you care about.
Apple tends to NOT integrate features that don't meet their standards or their vision for the device. This makes sense when you see how detail oriented many of their integrations are -- those details take time, and why waste them on something crummy?
As for N, the standard hadn't really been "inked" and so Apple didn't have any N wireless gear available. Their components supported it, but rather than activate a function you couldn't use with Apple gear (admit it, you'd complain about that **** too), they left it out.
I have no idea why their accounting team made people pay for the firmware activation but it's not like they made a ton of money off of it -- those laptops only sold for like 2 or 3 months before the faster gear came out.
Bluetooth headsets recompress audio before transmitting them to the receiver. The codec used is low bitrate and a generation older than MP3. In short, it sounds like ****. It's your only option when you're walking or driving and get a phone call; but for most uses of the iPo/ad you're stupid not to use the wire. Why are you grousing about a lack of something bad?
If your not happy just sell it. iPad's are easy to sell right now for a very good price. I am a little disappointed that Apple would allow a phone to be more feature rich than a device they put in between a phone and notebook. I am more excited about the iPhone compared to the iPad launch. I may sell my iPad depending on how I use the two devices.
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An iPhone 4 with 16GB of storage without a two-year commitment -- if the carrier does such a thing -- is $599. An iPad with 16GB of storage and no two-year commitment is $499. The iPad is MUCH LARGER and still comes in cheaper. About the only downside is the lesser RAM, which probably isn't a huge deal. I have a 3GS, and it's not like this is a slow device. You've still got the A4 chip in the iPad.
All that said, this is why I waited on the iPad. I really couldn't afford it, and I'd like to see what Apple does with model 2.0. If it looks more like the iPhone 4 and you can buy Rhode Island-sized bumpers for it, that will be a nice visual upgrade.
All that said, this is why I waited on the iPad. I really couldn't afford it, and I'd like to see what Apple does with model 2.0. If it looks more like the iPhone 4 and you can buy Rhode Island-sized bumpers for it, that will be a nice visual upgrade.
The two products are on different development cycles, but I wouldn't be surprised if they caught up to each other and reached feature parity at some point. Apple keeps manufacturing costs down with volumes of scale. Apple will want to make common components for both platforms to keep costs down.
The next generation iPad is already in development and should inherit the iPhone 4's Retina display and front-facing camera. I don't think Apple is sitting on its butt with the iPad given the number of Android and Windows 7 devices around the corner.
The next generation iPad is already in development and should inherit the iPhone 4's Retina display and front-facing camera. I don't think Apple is sitting on its butt with the iPad given the number of Android and Windows 7 devices around the corner.
I think everyone is a little angry!
If its any consolation dude, i get like that too.
Its a really small thing that doesnt really have a great affect, but it makes me want to wait for the next iPad (which is stupid) but I mean not everyone can afford to purchase at every refresh, and you know that technology is always getting better, so I guess you want to make sure your getting your money's worth with each purchase.
The new iphone 4 came out with nice specs, and its feels like it has sped up the depreciation of the iPad's value, and so its understandable that you feel like uve been ripped because Apple couldve put it in, but didnt.
I think though, (especially after reading peoples comments here) ive gained a new perspective, its just that youve gotta think about if the product you bought has served its purpose and if your happy with it. if you are, then just forget about the new ****, because theres never an end to it all anyway.
If its any consolation dude, i get like that too.
Its a really small thing that doesnt really have a great affect, but it makes me want to wait for the next iPad (which is stupid) but I mean not everyone can afford to purchase at every refresh, and you know that technology is always getting better, so I guess you want to make sure your getting your money's worth with each purchase.
The new iphone 4 came out with nice specs, and its feels like it has sped up the depreciation of the iPad's value, and so its understandable that you feel like uve been ripped because Apple couldve put it in, but didnt.
I think though, (especially after reading peoples comments here) ive gained a new perspective, its just that youve gotta think about if the product you bought has served its purpose and if your happy with it. if you are, then just forget about the new ****, because theres never an end to it all anyway.