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I don't mean to sound ungrateful, but...

splitpea said:
The trouble is that although the graphics cards they're offering may be decent (although not brilliant: if you had other options would you really want to be editing HD video on a 9600M?) for this year's files and Adobe suite, they may not be much use for the suite that comes out in 2 years or the files we're building then. And if you're spending $2K for a computer, you really don't want to have to replace it every 18 months. Better graphics cards -- at least as *option* -- would make it easier to future-proof your purchase and make it a better value for your dollar.
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apple like any other manufacturer wants sales, so it is absolute not in their interest if you keep your Mac for longer then a year , max 2 years , but then you should already have ordered your new one

apple would already rest in piece if they would rely on people like me who are happy with a eMac g4 1.42 , or if i point out your sig on people still using the dual g5 powermac

what i miss at the apple range is something like the dell vostro all in one , a simple AIO with a simple processor (intel pentium dual core ) under 20" that does not look ugly

its not a powerhouse but i do not need one
dell-vostro-all-in-one.jpg


if it would not be such annoying process to install osx on it i would have done that already and ordered one ,as it costs less then half of a basic imac 21.5 , so i have no choice as i love osx so i will stick with my imac g3's and my eMac , until apple gets it that there not only millionaires out there
 
splitpea said:
The trouble is that although the graphics cards they're offering may be decent (although not brilliant: if you had other options would you really want to be editing HD video on a 9600M?) for this year's files and Adobe suite, they may not be much use for the suite that comes out in 2 years or the files we're building then. And if you're spending $2K for a computer, you really don't want to have to replace it every 18 months. Better graphics cards -- at least as *option* -- would make it easier to future-proof your purchase and make it a better value for your dollar.
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Yup. Exactly my feelings.

suburbia said:
Why would you think you were being "ungrateful" (to Apple?) if you find the iMac lacking?

Unless Apple is giving you an iMac-- no charge, you have every right to complain and criticize their offerings.
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Sure. I suppose I'm just a little self-conscious of my knowledge (or lack of...) about Macs. I was kinda wondering whether I'd missed something. And, in many respects, I am "grateful" that such a classy option as the iMac exists, so that I have somewhere to go now that I've decided to ditch PCs.

Also, it's not a great idea when you've just joined a Mac forum to start a thread entitled, "What kinda frickin' douche-bags do they have working over at Apple, anyways?!"...!
 
iamthedudeman said:
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Are you serious?
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uh yeah lol. Those are probably over-estimates too. Apple has huge margins.
iamthedudeman said:
Case under a $100.

The Aluminum itself, just Aluminum would cost that much. What are you smoking?
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Maybe the Aluminum costs a lot, but the fact is, I have a very minimalist case that I got off of Newegg for $35 (with power supply) that works just as well as a hunk of Aluminum for storing a motherboard in. Actually, I think the black and silver is sweeter looking than a PowerMac's case. So while it may cost more to produce, the functional value of it is even less than $100, more around $50 or $60 (the cost of a nice minimalist case these days).

Also, it's not a great idea when you've just joined a Mac forum to start a thread entitled, "What kinda frickin' douche-bags do they have working over at Apple, anyways?!"...!
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The thing is, I've often asked myself that the past few years... their service and quality has really started to decline.
 
MacHamster68 said:
if it would not be such annoying process to install osx on it i would have done that already and ordered one ,as it costs less then half of a basic imac 21.5 , so i have no choice as i love osx so i will stick with my imac g3's and my eMac , until apple gets it that there not only millionaires out there
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Excuse my ignorance, but why is it such an ordeal to install OS X on a PC? Surely, it's just software like everything else...?

... or do Apple force you to register it against the serial number of a new Mac, or something similar?
 
dh2005 said:
Excuse my ignorance, but why is it such an ordeal to install OS X on a PC? Surely, it's just software like everything else...?

... or do Apple force you to register it against the serial number of a new Mac, or something similar?
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It's not universal, as are apps like Adobe Suite, which are specific to PC or Mac... You don't have to register your OS with Apple.

You're very courteous about not wanting to step on any toes, but a valid criticism is always a good thing. As there are plenty of individuals who are willing to defend any criticism towards Apple, there are, fortunately, just as many who will defend your right to criticize them. And as of lately, like MacHamster68 has stated, Apple's quality and service has been on a decline from my experience.
 
I see... well, thanks for letting me know.

All of my friends who run Macs (all four of them) speak warmly of their computers. One of them is a recent convert, and has been encouraging me to consider a Mac for the last six months. I was kinda hoping that coming to this forum would confirm these good vibes - hearing mixed things about Macs is making me wonder whether there's a computer anywhere on Earth to satisfy my requirements...!

Also, sorry to duplicate, but does anyone know where I can get ahold of Halo for the Mac?

If it's out-of-production, do you think it would be terribly evil of me to gain it through illicit means...? I mean, I am trying to pay for it! But I can't find it anywhere.

Not that I have the first idea about how to use torrents. Seriously. Never done it in my life. Wouldn't know where to start... and I doubt anybody around here will help me!

I'm not asking anyone to, by the way. I expect such a request would represent a breach of forum rules. And rightly so.
 
^^^iMacs are perfectly capable computers-- for me. Macs are all that I've known. Never owned or worked on a PC, so I can't bash it. But from my experience (10 yrs of using Mac), Apple's service and products have been on a download spiral.

As far as Halo for Mac, I'm sure you can find it via alternative means. But this is not the place to promote such alternatives...
 
hakr said:
I've seen nothing in the three Macs I've owned that indicate a better "build" quality than, say, the old built-by-IBM thinkpad I owned.

My iMac 27" model retailed for $2000 or so. Let's assume the screen in the iMac has a retail "value" of about $1000. If that were the case, there's nothing else in the machine that adds up to the other $1000 -

1. A terabyte hard drive is under $100 these days
2. top of the line motherboards, certain MBs more capable than the iMac's,.
are about $150
3. Four gigs of RAM? $100
4. Modest video card? $125
5. "Case"? Under $100
6. CPU? Under 200

Again, I'm not knocking the Apple product...I'm just saying there's really nothing that special about them, hardware-wise.

Oh...and that 27" iMac screen? For $1000, I can buy all manner of computer screens that will outperform it in many ways, without the yellowstains and flickering. :D
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Please don't take my response in a negative way.

If you believe you can buy a better computer for less money, then why didn't you? Why did you choose to spend more money and then try to prove very hard that you didn't actually need to? What is really the point to all of this?
 
suburbia said:
As far as Halo for Mac, I'm sure you can find it via alternative means. But this is not the place to promote such alternatives...
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Of course. I understand. I was just wondering whether anybody around here knew of a good, legal, source of old Mac games.


Then again, thinking about it, I can probably buy it for the PC then run that through Windows and Boot Camp... right?
 
source of old mac games ...hmmm great i knowhundreds of mac games ,but none of them will run on a intel based mac , they all require OS8 or OS9 or at least classic , but then the choice is limited already

so what you need is a iMac ,yes but not a 27" or a 21.5 , what you need to play games on mac is a iMac G3 :)

there are literally hundreds of games available for the old OS9 and still there are people developing new ones for OS9
 
Fair enough. It was a pretty crap question, now that I read it again...


... do we think that the PC version, which was released in 2004-ish, will run okay in Windows 7? I realise you folks are Mac people, but it's been so long since I owned a gaming computer that I really don't know.
 
Ahhhhhhh...

... sorry, I was being thick. There's really no point in me getting ahold of the Mac version by any means, because it predated the Intel changeover, right?
 
not realy like steve said in the video apple was developing osx since day one cross platform compatible , means it was a thing to happen , and it was in basic motorola's and ibm's fault as these two did not know where the ppc should go in the future and could not make their mind up about it , so they left apple no choice as to abandon the ppc and go for intel , or amd , but apples choice was intel so far , but who knows .....it took apple 5 years back then to break the silence about the transition to intel .....
but all the developers had been invested in hardware and time to make games running on powerpc processor architecture and from one day to the other they had been made redundant , so all the projects windows
as i think game developers had enough from apple OSX because of that first the transition from OS9 to OSX , then the transition from ppc to intel
microsoft was the only hope for game developers as its actually running really multi platform and shows consistency as games made for win xp still run under windows 7 and despite windows 7 ,xp is still not dead
 
Jaro65 said:
Please don't take my response in a negative way.

If you believe you can buy a better computer for less money, then why didn't you? Why did you choose to spend more money and then try to prove very hard that you didn't actually need to? What is really the point to all of this?
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Note that I stated I liked the OS, which is priced very low, the ergonomics, and the customer service. As I stated, the hardware itself in an iMac is nothing special...just ordinary PC pieces and parts. I suppose the point is that Apple is selling a lot of sizzle. I happen to like the sizzle, but I've built enough PC's over the years to know there's nothing in there besides the usual pieces and parts.
 
but not to forget ibm's power 6 is still the fastest microprocessor to this day
and even its only a dual core it will run circles around the intel i7
not to mention what the power 7 does which will come out this year
 
On another member's recommendation, I just checked-out the Mac Pro.


Let me get this right. You give me:

A great CPU,
A modest quatity of RAM,
A modest hard drive capacity,
A modest graphics card,
A decent DVD drive,
What I assume is a decent motherboard,
Bluetooth networking,
And a nice-looking, roomy tower case.

And I give you two grand... seriously; blow me.


When I saw that price, I figured it came with a display device that I could toggle off. But no. Just the computer.

[shakes head]


Wow. And I thought the IBM ThinkPad was overpriced...
 
dh2005 said:
On another member's recommendation, I just checked-out the Mac Pro.


Let me get this right. You give me:

A great CPU,
A modest quatity of RAM,
A modest hard drive capacity,
A modest graphics card,
A decent DVD drive,
What I assume is a decent motherboard,
Bluetooth networking,
And a nice-looking, roomy tower case.

And I give you two grand... seriously; blow me.


When I saw that price, I figured it came with a display device that I could toggle off. But no. Just the computer.

[shakes head]


Wow. And I thought the IBM ThinkPad was overpriced...
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welcome in mac world :D but you can configure it further and end up at several grand more , you can max out the price if you chose all options inclusive 2 x 30 " hd displays and all software options to £15,305.90
incl. VAT ,taking that in consideration you must admit in mac world the iMac is a bargain
 
Dude; I'm still looking at those specs, trying manfully to work-out where all that money goes...

... the only dazzling component in that machine is the CPU. Everything else is 'pretty good', at best.
 
hakr said:
I've seen nothing in the three Macs I've owned that indicate a better "build" quality than, say, the old built-by-IBM thinkpad I owned.

My iMac 27" model retailed for $2000 or so. Let's assume the screen in the iMac has a retail "value" of about $1000. If that were the case, there's nothing else in the machine that adds up to the other $1000 -

1. A terabyte hard drive is under $100 these days
2. top of the line motherboards, certain MBs more capable than the iMac's,.
are about $150
3. Four gigs of RAM? $100
4. Modest video card? $125
5. "Case"? Under $100
6. CPU? Under 200

Again, I'm not knocking the Apple product...I'm just saying there's really nothing that special about them, hardware-wise.

Oh...and that 27" iMac screen? For $1000, I can buy all manner of computer screens that will outperform it in many ways, without the yellowstains and flickering. :D
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Let's go with your prices regardless of their authenticity.
$1000 panel
$100 harddrive
$100 RAM
$125 video card
$100 case
+$200 CPU
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$1625 The iMac goes at $1999 that gives Apple an 18% margin, did you want them to sell it to do at cost? Below cost?
 
Hope you don't mind me chipping in...

... if those component prices that you're quoting are retail prices, there'll be a margin on all of them already. Not one of those components will've cost Apple the full retail price, I assure you.

Apple would therefore be making money on the computer selling it at your notional $1,625, because they'd make a profit on every component. Selling it at $1,999, they'd be making buttloads of profit!

Granted, it costs a little bit to put the components together. But not much. If a nubbin like me can build a computer in a couple of hours with one pair of hands and a couple of screwdrivers, it won't take long at the factory.


EDIT: I realise that I've walked into a debate halfway through. The points I've just made may be old news - in which event, just ignore them.
 
dh2005 said:
Hope you don't mind me chipping in...

... if those component prices that you're quoting are retail prices, there'll be a margin on all of them already. Not one of those components will've cost Apple the full retail price, I assure you.

Apple would therefore be making money on the computer selling it at your notional $1,625, because they'd make a profit on every component. Selling it at $1,999, they'd be making buttloads of profit!

Granted, it costs a little bit to put the components together. But not much. If a nubbin like me can build a computer in a couple of hours with one pair of hands and a couple of screwdrivers, it won't take long at the factory.


EDIT: I realise that I've walked into a debate halfway through. The points I've just made may be old news - in which event, just ignore them.
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and all is made in china

ok lets start again

do you want a computer that is made out of cheap parts build in china but with a great design and a superior operating system ?
 
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