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BaldiMac

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I said "as expected of a DP" if you missed it.

:rolleyes: Only in reference to being laggy and unstable.

1. "Natural scrolling" When you scroll down on a laptop, you expect the page to scroll down, not up.

2. Gigantic Safari tabs. Displaywide tabs might have been good for a 7" wide screen but for a 12" wide screen, it's just a horrible implementation of tabs.

3. Notification center's implementation. Like I said, Growl's implementation is much better, with an overlay instead of a screen push-away.

4. Launchpad. Dumbest idea ever especially when we have the Applications folder and/or Quicksilver.

5. Dumbing down of utilities like Airport Utility. Seriously? I have to download a legacy version of Airport Utility to change certain basic settings on my Time Capsule, but can't use iCloud with it?

6. Mac App Store. iOS doesn't have firmware updates provided through its App Store; why should Macs do so? Why should developers have to give 30% of their profit to Apple just so they can implement iCloud and Notification Center? It's not like the Mac App Store popularizes new apps like App Store does. Sooner or later a hacker is going to crack Notification Center so that it can be used by any app but the current rules are just too ridiculous. (Although the app discovery portion of MAS is somewhat neat)

7. Loss of physical media. I'm gonna get flamed on this one. Software suites like iWork and iLife will soon be exclusively digital, as Mountain Lion is also (although you can burn the ESD DMG to a USB like Lion). What if your internet is throttled and/or have slow internet? Monthly caps? Not all of us have fast internet with unlimited usage, and for those of us who use satellite internet or DSL, if internet is down, physical media would be very useful.

8. Notes and Stickies as separate applications. Redundant, don't you think?

9. Messages wasting so much space, and the inability to see the full friends list in fullscreen mode.

10. Game Center. Steam and Origin really will drive this new app to oblivion.

11. New skins. Does iCal / Calendar really have to look like a paper calendar with a faux leather binding? Isn't a simple unified interface a much better option, not to mention more eye pleasing?

12. Gatekeeper. I'm sure there's been extensive debates about this so I won't even explain this one.

Wow. Maybe you didn't actually read my question. Of those, only Game Center and the different tabs came from iOS to ML. And you don't actually say why Game Center is a bad feature for a desktop OS to have.
 

Prodo123

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Nov 18, 2010
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:rolleyes: Only in reference to being laggy and unstable.



Wow. Maybe you didn't actually read my question. Of those, only Game Center and the different tabs came from iOS to ML. And you don't actually say why Game Center is a bad feature for a desktop OS to have.

Now I'm really starting to wonder just how many people don't read what others write, as you're not the first person to do so.

Natural scrolling, Safari's new UI, Launchpad (from SpringBoard), AirPort Utility (iOS UI), MAS (App Store), Loss of digital media (iOS is purely digital download based), Messages's waste of space (from iOS's full screen apps), Notes (Notes.app on iOS), Game Center, iCal / Calendar's ugly new skin (from iOS design philosophy of realism), Notification Center, and Gatekeeper (iOS's refusal to run unauthorized code, except more liberal) all came from iOS.

Then there's useful features that were ported such as Find My Mac and AirPlay, but they're very hard to come by.

Not only are some of these features classifiable as crapware that clutter up their system (Game Center for Steam/Origin users, Notes for Stickies fanatics, Launchpad) and unnecessary restrictions that impede the freedom of use (Gatekeeper, MAS), some are just flat out inconvenient (Safari, natural scrolling) and/or eyesores (iCal).

Much better 3rd party applications can substitute for Apple-provided ones. Some examples of these apps are Growl, Steam, Evernote, Chrome, etc. If ML users continue to use these solutions instead of Apple's, the new features will become unused code that take up space.
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
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Quebec, Canada
You're confusing LTD with KnightWRX. ;)

I don't know how some people can even begin to call me an Apple fanboy, someone that thinks "everything Apple does is right!". :confused:

They must not read my posts.

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Safari's new UI

Copied from Google Chrome, the now 2nd most popular browser. What does that have to do with iOS ? iOS still even lacks the "Omnibar" which is about the greatest thing ever (I actually miss it when I switch to Firefox on my work Linux VM).

AirPort Utility (iOS UI)

Did you miss Airport Utility 5.6, released at the same exact time as Airport utility 6.0 ?

Much better 3rd party applications can substitute for Apple-provided ones. Some examples of these apps are Growl

Growl is a pain, albeit, a necessary one these days. I personally can't wait for Notification Center to replace it.
 

Prodo123

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Nov 18, 2010
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Copied from Google Chrome, the now 2nd most popular browser. What does that have to do with iOS ? iOS still even lacks the "Omnibar" which is about the greatest thing ever (I actually miss it when I switch to Firefox on my work Linux VM).
I was ranting about the tabs, which were copied from the iPad.
I have disliked the omnibar, but it's not as annoying as the tabs.


Did you miss Airport Utility 5.6, released at the same exact time as Airport utility 6.0 ?
I already said the division of features between AirPort Utility 5.6 and 6.0 are a pain.
Although I failed to mention that if I have to change something major, I have to open both versions, so I understand what you are trying to say.


Growl is a pain, albeit, a necessary one these days. I personally can't wait for Notification Center to replace it.
Like I said before, Growl just looks better. I don't have to be distracted by my entire screen moving to the left. A semitransparent overlay similar to Growl's default skin and Little Snitch's network monitor would be perfect; maybe a blur-behind like the Silver Aerogel for Terminal could complement it, but the current implementation of Notification Center is disrupting workflow.
Although I agree Growl can be hard to deal with at times, I'd still choose it over Notification Center for now.
 

BaldiMac

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Jan 24, 2008
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Now I'm really starting to wonder just how many people don't read what others write, as you're not the first person to do so.

Natural scrolling, Safari's new UI, Launchpad (from SpringBoard), AirPort Utility (iOS UI), MAS (App Store), Loss of digital media (iOS is purely digital download based), Messages's waste of space (from iOS's full screen apps), Notes (Notes.app on iOS), Game Center, iCal / Calendar's ugly new skin (from iOS design philosophy of realism), Notification Center, and Gatekeeper (iOS's refusal to run unauthorized code, except more liberal) all came from iOS.

Then there's useful features that were ported such as Find My Mac and AirPlay, but they're very hard to come by.

Not only are some of these features classifiable as crapware that clutter up their system (Game Center for Steam/Origin users, Notes for Stickies fanatics, Launchpad) and unnecessary restrictions that impede the freedom of use (Gatekeeper, MAS), some are just flat out inconvenient (Safari, natural scrolling) and/or eyesores (iCal).

Much better 3rd party applications can substitute for Apple-provided ones. Some examples of these apps are Growl, Steam, Evernote, Chrome, etc. If ML users continue to use these solutions instead of Apple's, the new features will become unused code that take up space.

Again, my question was about features that came from iOS to Mountain Lion (not Lion) that are bad for a desktop OS to have. The only legitimate complaint that you had that addressed this question was the new tab layout, which is pretty pedantic considering your original statement.

Most of your complaints come down to "I don't like it or want to use it so it's crap." or "I'll just pretend that software actually impedes my freedom of use even though I know if doesn't and hope nobody notices."
 

Prodo123

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Nov 18, 2010
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Again, my question was about features that came from iOS to Mountain Lion (not Lion) that are bad for a desktop OS to have. The only legitimate complaint that you had that addressed this question was the new tab layout, which is pretty pedantic considering your original statement.

Most of your complaints come down to "I don't like it or want to use it so it's crap." or "I'll just pretend that software actually impedes my freedom of use even though I know if doesn't and hope nobody notices."

Prodo123 said:
Not only are some of these features classifiable as crapware that clutter up the system (Game Center for Steam/Origin users, Notes for Stickies fanatics, Launchpad) and unnecessary restrictions that impede the freedom of use (Gatekeeper, MAS), some are just flat out inconvenient (Safari, natural scrolling) and/or eyesores (iCal).
Since you refuse to actually read what I write, I see no point in responding to you any further.
 

BaldiMac

macrumors G3
Jan 24, 2008
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Like I said before, Growl just looks better. I don't have to be distracted by my entire screen moving to the left. A semitransparent overlay similar to Growl's default skin and Little Snitch's network monitor would be perfect; maybe a blur-behind like the Silver Aerogel for Terminal could complement it, but the current implementation of Notification Center is disrupting workflow.
Although I agree Growl can be hard to deal with at times, I'd still choose it over Notification Center for now.

Notifications work pretty much the same as Growl in Mountain Lion. I think you are confusing the notification center with the actual notifications.

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Since you refuse to actually read what I write, I see no point in responding to you any further.

:confused: Can you really not read what I wrote? I'm not sure how to be any clearer.
 

Prodo123

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Nov 18, 2010
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Notifications work pretty much the same as Growl in Mountain Lion. I think you are confusing the notification center with the actual notifications.

Never did I say that they work similarly nor differently. I simply said that Growl looks better, and that the Notifiation Center slide-in would look much nicer as an overlay.
If you want me to show a proof of concept then I can whip one up fast.


:confused: Can you really not read what I wrote? I'm not sure how to be any clearer.
So would you prefer a desktop OS to have crapware, tons of restrictions, and inconvenient interface?
You asked which iOS features that were ported to ML would damage the desktop experience. I listed 12, around 10 of which would be valid, then listed all the ways they are detrimental to the desktop OS experience.
I don't know how to be any clearer.
 

BaldiMac

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Jan 24, 2008
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Never did I say that they work similarly nor differently. I simply said that Growl looks better, and that the Notifiation Center slide-in would look much nicer as an overlay.
If you want me to show a proof of concept then I can whip one up fast.

Okay. Seemed like you were comparing the notification center implementation to Growl.

So would you prefer a desktop OS to have crapware,

Features that you personally don't use are not crapware. Can you not see the benefits to users of iOS to sync and integrate with their Macs?

tons of restrictions,

Again, your restrictions are completely made up.

and inconvenient interface?

Neither scrolling direction is "correct." And it's completely configurable, so what's the complaint?

You asked which iOS features that were ported to ML would damage the desktop experience. I listed 12, around 10 of which would be valid, then listed all the ways they are detrimental to the desktop OS experience.

Again, I asked specifically about Mountain Lion, not Lion. Five of your points were about Lion. Three complaints had nothing to do with the iOS implementation. One had nothing to do with Mountain Lion at all. One was about keeping the Stickies app around??? And one was simply a complaint that third party software is going to win (I'm not sure why that is a complaint, since the third party software doesn't actually accomplish the same thing.)

Leaving the relevant, if pedantic, Safari tabs complaint.
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
4
Quebec, Canada
I was ranting about the tabs, which were copied from the iPad.
I have disliked the omnibar, but it's not as annoying as the tabs.

What's wrong with the tabs ? And really, what don't you like about the omnibar ? Why should we have a textfield for search and one for URLs when 1 textfield can do both ?

I often find myself typing up search queries in Firefox' address bar nowadays. Really annoying.

I already said the division of features between AirPort Utility 5.6 and 6.0 are a pain.
Although I failed to mention that if I have to change something major, I have to open both versions, so I understand what you are trying to say.

And if you want my opinion : both suck. Airport utility was always a useless piece of crapware to begin with. Airport Utility 5.6 is the same as the old version, use that if you want to retain the "power", but frankly, you have little of it to begin with.

My Airport Extreme is stuck as an AP because of Apple's unflexible configuration options. It's really sad when a 30$ Dlink manages to do more than a 170$ piece of Apple equipment. Not to mention that reliability of the thing has been shody since the last 2 firmwares. My GF constantly whined about disconnections until I switched her default wireless AP to the Dlink 802.11n I use as a NAT box.

Really regret getting the thing.
 

Prodo123

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What's wrong with the tabs ? And really, what don't you like about the omnibar ? Why should we have a textfield for search and one for URLs when 1 textfield can do both ?

I often find myself typing up search queries in Firefox' address bar nowadays. Really annoying.



And if you want my opinion : both suck. Airport utility was always a useless piece of crapware to begin with. Airport Utility 5.6 is the same as the old version, use that if you want to retain the "power", but frankly, you have little of it to begin with.

My Airport Extreme is stuck as an AP because of Apple's unflexible configuration options. It's really sad when a 30$ Dlink manages to do more than a 170$ piece of Apple equipment.

Having used fixed-length tabs for god-knows-how-long, it's a hard adjustment to make. Not only that, it's just hard to manage tabs when they are half a screen length wide and varies by the number of tabs.
And I don't like the omnibar because both Chrome and IE9 have confused search queries for URLs and vice versa too often. It has also happened with Safari a couple times in ML, but not as badly as IE9.

If I really wanted a power router I could go the DD-WRT route again ;) but for the sake of simplicity and prosumers I call the legacy AirPort Utility 5.x a "power tool."
 

JohnDoe98

macrumors 68020
May 1, 2009
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1. "Natural scrolling" When you scroll down on a laptop, you expect the page to scroll down, not up.

Bald's question was what features were added that were bad for a desktop OS. Adding the option to change the scrolling is not bad. If you don't like the new way, use the old one. I prefer the new one. I expect, on my laptop, for my scrolling to behave as it does on my iOS devices. But again, since it is optional, this isn't bad for the desktop OS, it is only good.

2. Gigantic Safari tabs. Displaywide tabs might have been good for a 7" wide screen but for a 12" wide screen, it's just a horrible implementation of tabs.

Haven't seen them so can't comment.

3. Notification center's implementation. Like I said, Growl's implementation is much better, with an overlay instead of a screen push-away.

So because you prefer the way growl does things, it is bad for the desktop OS to have notification center? Are you even be serious at this point? If you prefer growl, use growl. Those who prefer notification center will use it. Again, adding options and diversity is good, so this is a non-issue.

4. Launchpad. Dumbest idea ever especially when we have the Applications folder and/or Quicksilver.

Launchpad is purely optional, again. So this isn't bad for the desktop OS environment. It seems you don't know how to comply with a simple request as this has already happened multiple times now. If you were ever a student, I hope you didn't ignore specific instructions as badly as you do here. And if you work for a boss, I hope you don't just ignore what he wants and do your own thing. Be sensitive to what is being asked of you.

5. Dumbing down of utilities like Airport Utility. Seriously? I have to download a legacy version of Airport Utility to change certain basic settings on my Time Capsule, but can't use iCloud with it?

Legacy version? 5.6 was released the same day as 6.0. 5.6 does some things 6.0 can't, and the only thing 6.0 does that 5.6 doesn't is it allows you to enable back to my mac. Additionally, 6.0 is likely incomplete right now, just as Quicktime X is incomplete. Expect future versions to re-incorporate the features of 5.6 Apple is well aware of its limitations, that's why it rolled out 5.6, and will continue to support that old paradigm, until the new one is ready to fully replace it. I know it is inconvenient to have to use two utilities, but since back to my mac was broken in 5.x series in iCloud, I'm glad Apple chose to release 6.0 incomplete than have us wait until all the new features are in it. Good temporary compromise on Apple's part.

6. Mac App Store. iOS doesn't have firmware updates provided through its App Store; why should Macs do so?

Rather than software update you now use the MAS. Everything happens in one place and with a much nicer graphical interface. This is good news so I don't know what you are complaining about.

Why should developers have to give 30% of their profit to Apple just so they can implement iCloud and Notification Center? It's not like the Mac App Store popularizes new apps like App Store does. Sooner or later a hacker is going to crack Notification Center so that it can be used by any app but the current rules are just too ridiculous. (Although the app discovery portion of MAS is somewhat neat)

Because they are using Apple bandwidth and storage space. What are they suppose to get it for free? Also, keeping iCloud APIs restricted to MAS is likely to keep the Cloud safer. Everything in the MAS is sandboxed where you don't have access to other applications within your own application (yes I'd like to see that change from sandboxing files to app, from apps to files types, but regardless). Nothing is stopping you or third-parties from writing your own Cloud type APIs and using those to distribute your Cloud based features. I'm rather surprised to hear someone complain that iCloud is bad for the desktop OS environment. Seriously. Some people just like to complain I guess. You might not like iCloud and how Apple rolled it out, but I think it is a very good thing to have. But here is the important point for you to remember, since you just don't seem to get it. iCloud is purely optional so it can't in principle make the desktop environment "bad" or "worse". Ignore it if you don't like it.

Also, if a hacker does get in and expect to use the APIs, expect them to get promptly sued. There is a reason why Siri, though cracked, isn't being widely used.

7. Loss of physical media. I'm gonna get flamed on this one. Software suites like iWork and iLife will soon be exclusively digital, as Mountain Lion is also (although you can burn the ESD DMG to a USB like Lion). What if your internet is throttled and/or have slow internet? Monthly caps? Not all of us have fast internet with unlimited usage, and for those of us who use satellite internet or DSL, if internet is down, physical media would be very useful.

That isn't Apple's problem. Complain to your ISP. Apple's digital delivery is cutting down costs and more environmentally friendly. This is a good move.

8. Notes and Stickies as separate applications. Redundant, don't you think?

Sure but you can get rid of, or ignore, whichever you want. How is that bad for the desktop OS environment? You really struggle with that concept huh?

9. Messages wasting so much space, and the inability to see the full friends list in fullscreen mode.

Don't use it then. It's optional.

10. Game Center. Steam and Origin really will drive this new app to oblivion.

Sigh. Is it even worth repeating at this point?

11. New skins. Does iCal / Calendar really have to look like a paper calendar with a faux leather binding? Isn't a simple unified interface a much better option, not to mention more eye pleasing?

Nope.

12. Gatekeeper. I'm sure there's been extensive debates about this so I won't even explain this one.

Nice. You realise this is so controversial, rather than actually say more to make it somewhat plausible, you resort to saying nothing. Why did you even include this in your list. Trying to stretch things are we?
 
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Drew017

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May 29, 2011
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In answer to the title question...

Me neither! I love the feel and look of Leopard/ Snow Leopard! Why didja change it Apple?

(Mountain) Lion is kinda cool, though... but unnecessary. :p
 

thundersteele

macrumors 68030
Oct 19, 2011
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Switzerland
This argument is just silly. I'm not getting into the whole cycle where I name an innovative feature and you come up with some feature that's similar in another operating system. It's a useless argument.
Ok :)
Innovation comes not only in the implementation of new and unique features (which is more specifically referred to as invention), but also in the way those features are implemented and the methods used to implement them. If you seriously can't come up with a single innovation in ML, then you are just being willfully ignorant.

Yeah, you're probably right. I got a bit carried away. There's no reason to make everything new and different, just for the sake of it.
 

xTRIGGER092x

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Jul 21, 2011
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I'm welcome to the iOS style of doing things; I actually like Launchpad compared to Finder, Mission Control to Expose, and I really, really like the new aesthetics (the scroll bars are especially nice). As far as Mountain Lion goes, while Messages is probably the only new feature I'll ever use, the other stuff is welcome, too. It's all about consistency across all devices, and I'm fine with that.

That being said, Mountain Lion really should be the last OS upgrade that focuses on turning OS X into iOS. I like the fact that they're unifying the experience, but a desktop OS should have more capable features than a mobile OS. In the future, keeping both OS X and iOS consistent will be important, but new, innovative desktop-exclusive features should be at the forefront.
 
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MattInOz

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.... and Gatekeeper (iOS's refusal to run unauthorized code, except more liberal) all came from iOS.

Code Signing (the Gate part of Gatekeeper) has been in OS X longer than the iPhone has been released.
The new part of the feature is that code signed with an Apple ID doesn't need to bug you. It's like having a Doorman on your building, you only need to deal with the doorbell when the code isn't known. Regardless of your Gatekeeper setting you can still just "Open" the door yourself.
 

newagemac

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Mar 31, 2010
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In light of what Microsoft revealed with Windows 8 yesterday, I think this whole thread is hilarious. I sure hope Apple isn't wary of introducing the few iOS inspired things they did in Lion and Mountain Lion because the competition sure isn't holding anything back.

If you really want to see something jarring your current workflow, take a good look at Windows 8. What Apple is doing bringing iOS to OS X is very cautious in comparison. But i like the way Apple is doing it. They are introducing iOS inspired things only where it makes sense rather than just forcing the entire mobile experience upon the desktop/laptop user regardless of whether it actually makes sense or not.
 

hafr

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Sep 21, 2011
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In light of what Microsoft revealed with Windows 8 yesterday, I think this whole thread is hilarious. I sure hope Apple isn't wary of introducing the few iOS inspired things they did in Lion and Mountain Lion because the competition sure isn't holding anything back.

If you really want to see something jarring your current workflow, take a good look at Windows 8. What Apple is doing bringing iOS to OS X is very cautious in comparison. But i like the way Apple is doing it. They are introducing iOS inspired things only where it makes sense rather than just forcing the entire mobile experience upon the desktop/laptop user regardless of whether it actually makes sense or not.

Could you tell us more about what MS revealed yesterday, or provide a link, please? It sounds interesting.
 

leon-geyer

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Oct 19, 2010
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How to turn a working machine into a chatting machine

Well, I neither like the philosophy of bringing iOS to OS. Maybe there have been some contributions, but I would like to read in the advertisement of apple: a faster system, more stable, better graphics for hard work - than "now your lap will look like your palm, juchuu!"
The point is where is their attention, what do they think the users need, or use - and not if i can find, after searching a while, some good sides of porting iOS to OS. I use a mobile phone or a tablet for making things on the road, and the lap (before the desktop) for real work, and my real work ain't social networking.

Great, Apple puts as the new features twitter integration and messages. :mad:
What I see is that I bought a working machine and now it is getting a social networking machine. I thought I was a developer, a video artist, a designer, a musician, but no, I am finding out that for Apple I am in first line a chatter. Thank you, in the place I am living the social networking happens live.
 

BaldiMac

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Jan 24, 2008
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Well, I neither like the philosophy of bringing iOS to OS. Maybe there have been some contributions, but I would like to read in the advertisement of apple: a faster system, more stable, better graphics for hard work - than "now your lap will look like your palm, juchuu!"
The point is where is their attention, what do they think the users need, or use - and not if i can find, after searching a while, some good sides of porting iOS to OS. I use a mobile phone or a tablet for making things on the road, and the lap (before the desktop) for real work, and my real work ain't social networking.

Great, Apple puts as the new features twitter integration and messages. :mad:
What I see is that I bought a working machine and now it is getting a social networking machine. I thought I was a developer, a video artist, a designer, a musician, but no, I am finding out that for Apple I am in first line a chatter. Thank you, in the place I am living the social networking happens live.

Apple highlighted 10 new features out of hundreds that they thought would appeal to a large number of consumers as marketing bullet points. There will be plenty of improvements for professionals.
 

newagemac

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Mar 31, 2010
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Well, I neither like the philosophy of bringing iOS to OS. Maybe there have been some contributions, but I would like to read in the advertisement of apple: a faster system, more stable, better graphics for hard work - than "now your lap will look like your palm, juchuu!"
The point is where is their attention, what do they think the users need, or use - and not if i can find, after searching a while, some good sides of porting iOS to OS. I use a mobile phone or a tablet for making things on the road, and the lap (before the desktop) for real work, and my real work ain't social networking.

Great, Apple puts as the new features twitter integration and messages. :mad:
What I see is that I bought a working machine and now it is getting a social networking machine. I thought I was a developer, a video artist, a designer, a musician, but no, I am finding out that for Apple I am in first line a chatter. Thank you, in the place I am living the social networking happens live.

Just a question but when did social networking integration become a non business/work feature? Last time I checked many businesses, artists, designers, musicians, etc. are using social media like twitter as a prime tool in their business. In fact, social media has been called one the most effective business tools ever. Right up there with email, search, and other communication mediums but more effective in many ways because of the social and sharing aspect among other things.

I'm not sure where you got the indication that twitter was somehow not work related. It's no different from email. You can use email to send a picture of the kids to grandma or you can use it to connect with your email list of 100,000 customers. You can use twitter to send a picture of the kids to grandma or you can use it to connect with your 100,000 list of followers who pass your communication on to their own connections.

Both are just communication methods and both can be used effectively for business. Twitter is essential for many businesses, startups, and entrepreneurs. Just because you don't use it or don't use it for business doesn't mean it isn't a serious business tool.
 
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KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
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Quebec, Canada
Well, I neither like the philosophy of bringing iOS to OS. Maybe there have been some contributions, but I would like to read in the advertisement of apple: a faster system, more stable, better graphics for hard work

The point is, the desktop/laptop metaphor and computers have gotten to a point where they are mature. Imprint that word in your mind, mature. It's not that Vendors are stagnating, it's that there just isn't that much to push aside from updated specs. The buyer market is also mature. We replace computers when they fail or when we need the speed/storage bump.

There just isn't anything "big" as far as processing and graphics no more. It's all incremental updates and little bumps. The next big frontier is mobile, and integrating those mobile platforms in our lives. Hence the features that Apple is pushing for OS X, it's all about integrating your computer with your mobile device and your mobile needs. Syncing, communication, account sharing, etc..
 

DeckMan

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Mar 16, 2011
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It's a problem because when I open and modify a document, purposefully or accidentally, I don't always want to save those changes.
The system now insists that I save any changes that are made to a document.

Not sure if you're still following this thread, but I just have to point out that the system does *not* insist that you save changes. It just insists that you explicitly undo the changes (by going to the last saved version, two clicks) if you find you don't want to keep them. Only if you close the window, or copy the file to a different location before undoing the changes, they are there without you wanting them.

(also better if your programming and don't want to have to weed through numerous versions as much coding is temporarily kept by most and only saved when the individual wants. Imagine going through tons of lines of code from hourly versions to get to the document you DO want, not fun)

That's probably why Xcode doesn't use versions, but git/subversion instead. Are there programming tools that support versions?
Apart from that, if you code something, you usually have to save anyway in order to compile your code, so I don't really understand your issue there. And if you do have to go back, just remember the rough time you had the version you want.
 
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Tinyluph

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Dec 27, 2011
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The point is, the desktop/laptop metaphor and computers have gotten to a point where they are mature. Imprint that word in your mind, mature. It's not that Vendors are stagnating, it's that there just isn't that much to push aside from updated specs. The buyer market is also mature. We replace computers when they fail or when we need the speed/storage bump.

There just isn't anything "big" as far as processing and graphics no more. It's all incremental updates and little bumps. The next big frontier is mobile, and integrating those mobile platforms in our lives. Hence the features that Apple is pushing for OS X, it's all about integrating your computer with your mobile device and your mobile needs. Syncing, communication, account sharing, etc..

I'm no wizard on the subject but I have a hard time believing that there's nothing "big" Apple could be doing insofar as graphics are concerned.
 
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