Same, no issues. But our use cases may be different than some of those complaining. I’m all for stability updates, because one day I may be one impacted by rushed updates.
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I have to reluctantly conclude: macOS Monterey is a horrible product, quality-wise
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Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if we see that in the next year or so. iPhones are so expensive, with such small changes, and completely saturated smartphone market.
Monterey is a dream to use. Go wherever you want but stop your nosense.
Just because your experience with Monterey is 'a dream' doesn't mean everyone else's is. How is it nonsense if we are experiencing it?
Wow, Monterey for me just works great. Sooo glad I switched from windows years ago!
It seems like you might've run into the same issue I did with port forwarding. Works fine in Big Sur, completely broken in Monterey. It's a niche use case but still a shame as many developers rely on Macs.
You can see from the sheer number of "likes" in this thread that it is hardly nonsense. Indeed, there's a thread with more than 600 responses solely about issues with the Music app, let alone the rest of the system.
Me: decides to finally update the boot SSD with Monterey
Me, as the update is happening: reads this, shakes head, thinks how sad it is that Other People have those problems
Me: discovers the external SSD is not only missing, it is also corrupted and even formatting it is impossible without Terminal fun
Me: reinstalls Big Sur and is v. pleased with self for having four backups, while also wishing I saw this post BEFORE I decided Monterey was definitely stable enough by now
I’ve only been using the iMac since El Capitan. I migrated to Apple cause I was already using iPad & iPhone. I appreciate Apple’s apparent focus on user security. There are bugs and it does seem Apple has too many irons in the fire. I left XP when I retired and simply got tired of the extra work needed to keep linux updated. I still keep a machine updated w/ linux but much prefer Apple, bugs and all (at least with linux there is bugzilla). This is after decades of dos, win, os/2, & various linux distros.
Definitely more bugs in recent years. Also, more features, more devices, multiple OS’s, 2 architectures currently. Are there simply more bugs because there’s more features and devices? Will the bugs stop when the transition to ASi is complete? Will returning to work in person help? Are the teams too small? Genuine questions.
I'm always happy to hear of people who enjoy their Macs and the OS they are using. However, we both seem to agree that not every experience is as great as those that boast or simply share their good fortune story.
This entire thread proves the point that Monterey, Monterey+Intel, and Monterey+M1 does indeed have challenges.
I would say no. The vast majority of the bugs are in what is almost certainly high-level (architecture-independent) code. While there are undoubtedly some Intel-specific and Arm-specific bugs, many of the reported issues can be replicated on both types of system. It's the code, not the CPU.
Sorry to hear your struggles. I hope my perspective is not unwelcome, and maybe others will benefit from it more than you, but here goes: the older machines were made for the older operating systems, and vice-versa. Likewise, the newer operating systems are made for the newer machines. I have a number of older Macs that are still chugging along, but I've chosen to stop upgrading the OS on them. I sort of put them out to pasture and purchase a new machine to replace them when they start slowing down, running out of space, or feeling generally less capable. I do the same thing with my iPhones. The old ones stick around as backups, QA test devices, etc... every now and then I find something I can use them for. It's far better to have a controlled transition to a brand new machine, rather than updating in place only to find out something breaks or runs slower. I hear your pain, but you may want to experience the new OS running on the new hardware, before you make a determination that the situation is worse than it actually is. I'm extremely satisfied with Monterey running on Apple Silicon... actually the happiest I've been on the Mac platform since the days of OS 9.
I migrated to Mojave a few months ago from Sierra. It's been solid for me also. Prior to that, it was Snow Leopard. I realize I'm way behind with security updates but if nothing compelling is offered in the next macOS, I skip it. I no longer trust Apple's annual releases with respect to stability.
don’t do it. Already did this many times.
Conclusion: apple dominates laptops, unless you are a gamer(or rather, your game isn’t supported/streamable). If you do anything else BESIDES gaming, the MacBook is amazing.
All my work issued laptops can’t get passed 4 hours untethered. And windows is slow while on battery. Plus they all get VERY hot. Lid/standby always is slow.
I’m just not as productive on a windows laptop.
I literally just did an entire day’s work on my bed, no overheating, no anxiety about fan breathing space, no slowdowns, and long long battery life. Mac makes it easy.
But for desktop, stick to windows
Unless there is a software or hardware item that only works with Windows in a non vm or bootcamp scenario, there is no reason not to have Mac as a desktop. I find it amusing that years ago, there was a push to get rid of Macs in many corp environments. Today, lots of people use iPhone, iPad and Mac laptops in a business environment.
For several years, I have had either Parallels or VMware Fusion with Windows running for very specific apps. Beyond that, no need. Today, zero Windows required and if there were to be interest, it would be in some arm based Linux distros to explore.
Amacfa, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Btw, I am often critical of Apple and rightly so.
On my first Macbooks I only moved from Leopard to Snow Leopard and from Snow Leopard to Lion when both were at the end of their active development cycle (i.e. close to the release of a subsequent OS). I.e. I did a clean install of late 10.6.8 build and it was incredibly stable. When Apple started introducing new OS every year instead of every 2 years, I was afraid of them losing focus on maintenance and fixing bugs, and abandoning half-polished OS due to moving onto a new product.
My current laptop is stuck on 10.5.7 Catalina, and overall I don't think I'm happy. It definitely is more buggy than what I got used to and isn't as fast / efficient on old hardware. I'm hesitating to buy a new mac and having to deal with even newer OS. I'm excited to try improved multitasking on iPad OS and might go that route for my main device.
My current laptop is stuck on 10.5.7 Catalina, and overall I don't think I'm happy. It definitely is more buggy than what I got used to and isn't as fast / efficient on old hardware. I'm hesitating to buy a new mac and having to deal with even newer OS. I'm excited to try improved multitasking on iPad OS and might go that route for my main device.
Snow Leopard. Best version ever.Many people say this. It's like M2 'SSD gate', where it's been argued barely anyone will notice because who on earth buys an MBA for serious work. And while there is room for this point of view, it kind of implies your average buyer is someone spending £1249 upwards on a computer for banal content consumption and incredibly light tasks. Zero evidence on my part, but I really can't believe that's true. That's what £300 Lenovos are for. People expect computers costing a grand or more to be capable of some pretty serious heavy lifting, and expect them to come with a solid OS which doesn't trip over itself.
It's all about the 'premium price, premium product' image which Apple once prided itself on.
Now they're more interested in pairing-up with Kardashians to sell skin-coloured earphones, and we wonder why MacOS is going to hell on a handcart.
EDIT: I miss Snow Leopard
I thought that was correct behaviour? MacOS renders a 4K display as 5K internally, then scales it to 4K to allow pixel doubling/hidpi/whatever you want to call it.
Apple isn't incentivized financially to prioritize macOS over other OSes, especially on Intel Macs. Their focus is on iOS and to a lesser extent ASi Macs. Don't be surprised that user experience on Intel Macs will get progressively poorer with each iteration of macOS. Their dream is to have all macOS and iOS apps written in Swift, run on Metal, and share a large portion of their codebase and UI elements.
This is why pre-installed apps on macOS that also appear on iOS are updated more aggressively, e.g, Safari, Music, Messages. Those that aren't tend to see a more infrequent improvement, e.g, Time Machine and most Mac-specific utilities.
In other words, the neglect is intentional and ironically meant to help macOS survive and the Apple ecosystem as a whole thrive. Making it easier for developers to release their applications for both iOS and macOS has been the guiding principle for Apple's software team. Short of merging the two platforms, they want to make it as smooth an experience as possible to write applications for the Apple ecosystem. APFS, Swift, Metal, UI element convergence, and even the latest Stage Manager are efforts towards that end.
So sadly, macOS as we know it is dying. My hope is that Apple is doing this in order to lay the groundwork for an amazing future where things will once again work seamlessly between iOS, iPadOS, and macOS, on a fundamental level.
You say you’ve been using Mac OS X since the beginning yet 10.0.0 was by far the buggiest Apple release ever and should have never seen the light of day.
I had much more trouble one or two OS releases ago. I dont think I've had any real issues with my MBP M1 Max and Monterey. So I don't have a feeling of a downwards spiral. Sometimes it can be hard as a single user to get a good idea if a software product is buggy or not. If you get a couple of bad bugs it sure feels like a buggy OS even if most people are not exposed to those bugs at all. My feeling is that Apple invests more in "boring pro stuff" (things you need and not just things that looks good in an ad) for macos these days and that the direction has shifted in a good way.
With that said, I've too had bugs that Apple just won't fix for years, it is incredibly frustrating.
With that said, I've too had bugs that Apple just won't fix for years, it is incredibly frustrating.