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I have to reluctantly conclude: macOS Monterey is a horrible product, quality-wise
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There's one major problem with this - Apple has long since ceased to be a Mac-centric company - especially when looked from beancounting perspective.
From that business-centric angle it might not be completely impossible for Apple to ditch all Mac products - just remember how Apple ditched all their Server business without providing any alternatives. After that we all would be ending up with cheaply made ugly plastic laptops that shatter into pieces when falling to ground.
My old 2010 MBP fell to tile floor with lid being opened and all that happened was a little dent in the corner of the lid. I remember clearly when Thinkpad X-series Carbon fell to carpeted floor the same way - lid frame was shattered instantly with hinges broken off.
What we see when we look at Settings menu on Wondows 10 and 11? Wasn't "imitation the sincerest form of flattery"? Where would we be if all would be lead by company "that absolutely has no taste"? I work in IT field while being a long time Mac user so I have some sort of a picture from "both worlds" - for now I can tell that Windows-universe is riddled with far more idiotic and sometimes completely unsolvable feature-breaking bugs (called "features" ironically).
It is almost essential to have a competition which drives development forward. In server field Microsoft has Linux as its' competitor and in desktop/UI world it has always been a Mac. It's quite obvious that creation of Linus Torvalds has no plans to disappear, but there's no way to be as sure about what Apple might do with its' products - as they are a business...
My list at the moment:
- Media forward/backward doesn't work after a while, but play pause still work
- Apple virtualization on M1 doesn't support their own hardware, most European are missing "physical mapping" ISO/ANSI that you can't change in settings
- Typing in a full screen app, and back to another non full screen app lose keyboard focus and you have to click a second time in the input field to be able to write (that one is unbelievable, looks like no one is testing anything at apple)
Monterey is crap. Big Sur was way more reliable. And for the "Windows can't possibly be more stable" crowd, go get yourself either a current generation Microsoft Surface Laptop, a Dell Latitude 7000 or 5000 series, or an HP EliteBook and tell me that Windows 10 or 11 isn't stable on those. People assume that Windows is a raging dumpster fire just because the PCs you'd get at Best Buy or Costco are total crap. You get what you pay for.
had not seen any bugs in monterey
The dialogue boxes are truly abysmal , hard to see whats what and just so flat and dull
Well, you're certainly posting in the correct thread. I see you have a few MS Windows machines, fortunately for me I have no need for Windows on anything. Monterey is very stable and smooth on my (unsupported) 2012 rMBP 10,1
I do wish people would stop thinking a laptop is a desktop replacement, they are 2 different machines
I usually use my laptop with two external monitors, keyboard, and mouse. In other words, I use it as a desktop replacement. Sometimes I move my laptop to another room and plug in to an external monitor there. Sometimes I disconnect completely and use it as a laptop. Some people might want to just be prepared for the contingency of needing portability.
I do wish people would stop thinking everyone can afford to buy both a desktop and a laptop or fail to consider use cases beyond their own.
What bearing does that have on how bad Monterey performs, it should be the same experience or bad either way.
Here are two bugs in Finder that are amazing. Finder is an important application that Apple should have tested thoroughly.
I keep my Documents and Desktop in iCloud. For convenience I add them explicitly to my favorites in the sidebar since I find it a bit inconvenient to navigate into the iCloud section for them. Every now and again they just disappear and I have to re-add them.
I usually use my laptop with an external keyboard and mouse, but the other day I was using it detached. Occasionally, I couldn't drag files from one finder window to another while in list view; I had to switch to icon view to make it work. I've seen posts where other people reported this bug.
Even with all the bugs, I still find the MacOS much easier to use than Windows, but I find Windows to be less buggy. I guess it's all about what bugs you happen to stumble on and whether they really get in your way.
I keep my Documents and Desktop in iCloud. For convenience I add them explicitly to my favorites in the sidebar since I find it a bit inconvenient to navigate into the iCloud section for them. Every now and again they just disappear and I have to re-add them.
I usually use my laptop with an external keyboard and mouse, but the other day I was using it detached. Occasionally, I couldn't drag files from one finder window to another while in list view; I had to switch to icon view to make it work. I've seen posts where other people reported this bug.
Even with all the bugs, I still find the MacOS much easier to use than Windows, but I find Windows to be less buggy. I guess it's all about what bugs you happen to stumble on and whether they really get in your way.
I wish there were a better operating system for me, but Windows is intolerable, and Linux distributions have their own well-known and important limitations.
That's a whole can of worms. I have google drive and one drive folders in the side bar and not only do they disappear all the time, even after going to sleep, but the local and external drive folders keep switching positions and my desktop folder keeps disappearing. The state of finder sidebar right now is wild.
Can't believe how awful the music app is , truly abysmal
Who designed it ? Was it even designed ???
Just pushing apple music non stop , trying to find stuff in itunes store is bewildering
Used to love it now don't go near it , the UI is annoying and SO overcomplicated
Who designed it ? Was it even designed ???
Just pushing apple music non stop , trying to find stuff in itunes store is bewildering
Used to love it now don't go near it , the UI is annoying and SO overcomplicated
I have an M1 Max MBP. My current circumstances mean that I need something portable. I'm homeless, I don't have anywhere for an iMac (as funky as they are - and I would really rather like a purple one). And I agree, Monterey is horrid. I have been trying to update to 12.6 ever since I got the notification in SysPrefs it was available. Safari updated no issue. I click 'update now', scroll down and agree to the EULA, I get the wheel for about 10/15 secs and then I'm back at the 'an update is available for your Mac' screen. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Nobody else uses this MBP but me, so there are no other accounts. I have rebooted, but I'm still going round in circles. If anyone's a clue why it's being obstreperous, please enlighten me.
Nobody else uses this MBP but me, so there are no other accounts. I have rebooted, but I'm still going round in circles. If anyone's a clue why it's being obstreperous, please enlighten me.
Can you explain to everyone the difference? What doe the desktop offer to someone that a laptop can’t do or somehow makes laptops inferior?
And then there's my experience two days ago with Apple Music...
I looked up one of my artists who has a bunch of albums. I always used to click "See All" to pick which album I felt like listening to. For the first time the "See All" was missing. I screamed! I can't believe Apple removed such a useful feature. Then I went to a different artist (a few in fact). For those the "See All" showed up.
It's really sad that I was relieved in it being just another Apple bug rather than a bad design decision. They really are very bad developers and testers. -- edit -- I mean that as an organization not as individuals. I wonder if the developers and testers complain as much as we do.
I looked up one of my artists who has a bunch of albums. I always used to click "See All" to pick which album I felt like listening to. For the first time the "See All" was missing. I screamed! I can't believe Apple removed such a useful feature. Then I went to a different artist (a few in fact). For those the "See All" showed up.
It's really sad that I was relieved in it being just another Apple bug rather than a bad design decision. They really are very bad developers and testers. -- edit -- I mean that as an organization not as individuals. I wonder if the developers and testers complain as much as we do.
I did the same on my new 14"MBP M1 pro. I hope to see some feedback from some of the Monterey critics of the 12.5.1.Just installed 12.6 on my iMac 2019 and it's snappy again, so Apple seems to have figured something out from the last release that completely sucked
You can still see all the albums, you just have to scroll through with the arrows to the left and the right of the albums.
Yeah. That's always available, but I prefer seeing the 2-dimentional layout where I can see all the albums at the same time.
What has happened is knowledgeable users are no longer Apple's target customer. Most users are just watching YouTube and reading emails.
A couple of years ago I had a problem with a Mac and called Apple's service. Their answer was that I was running "third party software" not written by Apple.
A couple of years ago I had a problem with a Mac and called Apple's service. Their answer was that I was running "third party software" not written by Apple.
I've been a Mac user since the 90s and have had to use various Windows machines for work over the years. With one exception, switching to Windows would never have even crossed my mind. That said, the one exception is my current Surface Laptop running Win11. It's an awesome machine.
Meanwhile, I haven't upgraded my MBP to Monterey because of some known bugs that still haven't been fixed and will absolutely screw me up.