I just took out my 2007 (my 2008 17 died in 2018) and it looks fine. The silver is already shiny so skin oils don't look any different from the keys.
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I honestly hate MacBook Pro M1-M3 keyboard
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I just took out my 2007 (my 2008 17 died in 2018) and it looks fine. The silver is already shiny so skin oils don't look any different from the keys.
Keyboard 'tastes' can be subjective, and I can only speak from my 20+ years experience of using Apple keyboards when I say that the current MBP version is my favourite laptop keyboard, period.
I couldn't stand the butterfly keyboard, I found it hurt my fingers after extended use and was prone to having stuck keys.
I couldn't stand the butterfly keyboard, I found it hurt my fingers after extended use and was prone to having stuck keys.
The last statement is not true. It was random, I had no problems for 5+ years.
I never said it was true for you. I said it was an issue for me.
You said it was "prone to". Has anyone actually have this problem appear years after using it? From my observation it's more a matter of a faulty or valid unit (that said, faulty being more than 50%, which Apple called "a small number of users" 😂).
Yes, and the sentence opened with “I couldn't stand the butterfly keyboard, I found it hurt my fingers after extended use and was prone to having stuck keys.”
Mine was fine for four years then started disintegrating. Unresponsive taps and double taps.
I just wish they didn’t have that black background. I’m still on a 2014 MacBook Air and eventually I’d like to upgrade to an m3 or m4 and while I’d like a Pro, the keyboard design is almost enough to make me go for the Air. I just worry that some day I’m gonna want to use two external monitors and also miss those extra ports. I don’t know how they decided that the better more expensive computer should have a new, uglier, keyboard design.
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Good advice except when you buy one of those you end up with dell or hp computer.
That too. The keyboard on the high end Dell laptops is garbage as well. I have a 16" Dell 7670 and they stupidly tried to cram a full size keyboard in it. The end game is that I have a keyboard designed for hobbits. Also it's missing all the useful keys on a PC and half the edit keys you have to hit Fn first to do. It's horrible.
Also notably the Dell is named "Dick Burn" because it gets so bloody hot.
Yea, keyboards preferences are very personal; I feel there hasn't really been a great keyboard since the old original IBM Model M ones.
You can find newly made replica versions of Model M's with USB connectors and there are plenty of working copies of the originals that will work with active USB adapters. You can also find some upcycled vintage Model M's outfitted with USB plugs.
Model M's are really nice, but I don't think it's fair to say that it was the last great keyboard, especially since we seem to be in a custom keyboard renaissance period right now. I own 4 Model M's because I thought keyboards were all just gonna suck from here on out so I hoarded them.
I still think my Model M's are fun, but I don't actually like them all that much anymore. Once the nostalgia kick wore off, I realized I actually prefer current day keyboards.
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Yet nobody prefers keyboards with faulty mechanics.
The thing with Model M keyboards, and similar mechanical keyboards, is they are completely antisocial and everyone around you hates them.
Which is great because then people leave you alone while you are working...
For me it was having used a Selectric the Model M provided the tactile feedback that is lacking today on most keyboards
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Of course there are quieter mechanical keyboards in the modern era - my favorite being Cherry brown switch TKL models, which are not quite so antisocial, but I have a couple of blue switch alternatives which keep people away!
For me, modern keyboards are awful. As one of the devices critical to interfacing with a computer, having a keyboard that is good for the individual to use is vitally important - and there hasn't been an even half-decent one on anybody's laptop for years, since the design objectives of ultra-light, ultra-slim were prioritized over comfortable use.
When you look at something like the classic Model M (and many of the modern mechanical units too), not only do they provide key travel and feedback, but also a keycap shape which helps to locate the fingers. Take all these factors away, and at best each different keyboard is simply a different bag of scrabble tiles to type on.
Look around if the typing experience is important enough to you. There are sooooo many very tactile keyboards out there now, but the problem is that there are so many varieties and subvarieties that it's hard to know where to start.
And there's always this if you want to go Model M on steroids...
Of course, nothing will ever beat the slam fest of the IBM Selectric II. Man, those things really thumped.
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To each their own. The keyboard on my 16" M1Max MBP is probably my favorite keyboard on a laptop since the thinkpad. The one on my personal 14" M1Pro MBP (which should be the same) is a little less good. But both are preferable to the keyboards on the old 2015 era retina MBPs. They are kind of what I was hoping the butterfly switch would be. A shallow crisp keyboard which is my preference. Kind of like the magic keyboard (although that is better).
I was never really a fan of the older slightly more travel and heavier feeling keyboards of the older MBPs.
Definitely better than the butterfly keyboard which I actively didn't use on my 2017 MBP because typing on it became so annoying.
I was never really a fan of the older slightly more travel and heavier feeling keyboards of the older MBPs.
Definitely better than the butterfly keyboard which I actively didn't use on my 2017 MBP because typing on it became so annoying.
+1 for shallow crisp keyboards. Actually I started to enjoy the 14" keyboard once I changed the way I'm typing. I still consider it not reliable enough though.
I 100% agree that the MacBooks M1, M2, and M3 have very poor keyboards : ( As I write this I'm on my 'Early 2015 MacBook Air' with a beautiful, responsive keyboard that has double the travel and doesn't cause pain on my finger joints when typing like both the M1 and M2 did that I wasted money on. Also, the trackpad actually depresses (you can press it down and up by force) unlike most Mac laptops since ~2016 ish? Pressing down on glass puts so much stress on the joints. I have tried all new MacBooks at the Apple store in hopes that one will have a legitimate keyboard but instead they are made thinner and thinner with less travel. it's a truly poor typing experience both for accuracy - closer to typing on a phone or tablet without looking at it. I am disappointed with Apple and hope more people raise these concerns in forums. If anyone here used laptops and computers prior to 2000 they'd probably share a similar sentiment. Apple has sacrificed function and ergonomics for form factor and thinness 
PS - Does anyone know if perhaps the M3 MacBook PRO has a larger keyboard and one with more travel when compared to the M2 MacBook Air? And does the M3 MacBook AIR have the same keyboard - travel, size, pressure as the new M3 Airs? Is the new 15" Air any larger of a keyboard than the new 13" Air?
PS - Does anyone know if perhaps the M3 MacBook PRO has a larger keyboard and one with more travel when compared to the M2 MacBook Air? And does the M3 MacBook AIR have the same keyboard - travel, size, pressure as the new M3 Airs? Is the new 15" Air any larger of a keyboard than the new 13" Air?
shiny keys and stressful trackpads.
my my - we sure are hard-to-please campers these days.
my pants get shiny on the a*** from too much sitting down but i don’t complain to the suit maker about it 😏
my my - we sure are hard-to-please campers these days.
my pants get shiny on the a*** from too much sitting down but i don’t complain to the suit maker about it 😏