iPhone 6(S)/Plus I hope apple pays for punitive for their negliance

[JessePinkman]

You think they're having what?

Oh my...

Cashflow, revenue, sales - that's no illusion - it's fact. Illusion is thinking that all this is going to mean a hill of beans.

oh my you clearly didnt get...cash is great of course microsoft have it too but when they had the cash they created vista!! and they thought it was the best windows ever.. at that time.. cash is good but if you cant make great innovations stable os its an illussion tech companies focus should be innovation and stability not the income or cash this is happens when you focus only profits and margins and forgot the rest...

software:
apple music
itunes 12
high sierra / sierra
ios 11

hardware : using cheap & terrible batteries and blaming customers
using cheap memories & blaming customers for memory leaks
distorted speakers in macbook & new iphones

awkward design choices: top notch on the iphone x
magic mouse 2
charging apple pencil
requiring dongles with new macbook pro

etc

 

[TiggrToo]

oh my you clearly didnt get...cash is great of course microsoft have it too but when they had the cash they created vista!! and they thought it was the best windows ever.. at that time.. cash is good but if you cant make great innovations stable os its an illussion tech companies focus should be innovation and stability not the income or cash this is happens when you focus only profits and margins and forgot the rest...

software:
apple music
itunes 12
high sierra / sierra
ios 11

hardware : using cheap & terrible batteries and blaming customers
using cheap memories & blaming customers for memory leaks
distorted speakers in macbook & new iphones

awkward design choices: top notch on the iphone x
magic mouse 2
charging apple pencil
requiring dongles with new macbook pro

etc

I'll pick just a couple from your list: the notch - so awful that Google now requires Notch acknowledgement in their list UI specs for Android. Charging Apple pencil - what you expect it to do, not charge?

For the record, my pencil has been nothing short of miraculous to my daily workflow. One charge up on a Sunday sees me through to the end of the week. So that hardly counts as a failure in my book.

No company can innovate 100% of the time, turkey's are inevitable. To expect otherwise is to be horribly naive.

And memory leaks have nothing to do with hardware and everything to do with bad coding. The fact you have somehow conflated the two simply goes to show a level of ignorance on the subject that only hinders any attempt you might of had of trying to make a point.

 

[JessePinkman]

firs of all why dont you ask that notch to a ui designer its looks ugly and causes eye fatigue and watching videos quite annoying and still developers ui designers are trying to figure out how to adopt this crap which is just a reason they couldnt fit hardware into the display without that notch when they figure out better face id and iris scan position and tech they will remove that so if you like the notch enjoy your eye fatigue pal...

and second i was talking about the charging position surely they could find a better position or way it might break my pencil into pieces or the lightning port let alone its looking ugly and stupid as hell..

yeah thats why server grade expensive memories have ECC and other hardware features to protect your data and prevent performance loss...

dude do me a favor if you wanna argue with me first educate yourself .....

 

[aristobrat]

i think they are having serious mental issues after steve jobs they think they are doing great looking their profits and cash income on the paper they are fantastic right.. well, its just an illusion and they just dont get this...

Hey, welcome to the forum.

I've only been a member here since 2005, but I clearly recall reading many complaints about Apple's design (and quality record) during Steve Job's reign.

It's interesting you used the word "illusion". Back when Steve Jobs was around, it was common to read Apple's missteps blamed on Steve's "reality distortion field".

Now that Steve has passed, "reality distortion field" has been replaced by "Tim Cook (a.k.a. the bean counter) and his relentless pursuit of profit and margin".

IMO, Apple's always had times where people questioned their design choices and where their product quality was questioned.

Remember the iMacs that kept shutting down because they were manufactured with bad capacitors?
Remember the Titanium PowerBooks whose screen hinges would snap with normal usage, or the palm rest areas that would pit after contact with normal oils from some folks hands?
Screen banding issues on the first PowerBook w/ a hi-res display?
The first generation MacBooks that would randomly shut off after the machine became warm?
The iPod Nanos whose metal backs scratched so easily that there was a successful class-action lawsuit against Apple? Antennagate?
Yellow screen areas on the first gen MBP and iMacs w/ LED screens?
The MobileMe launch?
OS X Snow Leopard being the answer for Apple's Vista (a.k.a. OS X Leopard)?

Those are just a few examples of how "well' Apple did under Job's watch, when (running with your theory) profit and margin weren't distracting them. So if that wasn't, what was?!

IMO, one of the biggest differences between Microsoft in the Vista days (and even now?) vs today's Apple is that at least Apple sometimes listens and pivots based on customer input. They've already taken actions to improve the quality of the next iOS and macOS (by reducing the amount of new features). Of course, they did they back in the Steve Jobs days with OS X Snow Leopard, so ... be interesting to see how long they remember that lesson again.

 

[JessePinkman]

Hey, welcome to the forum.

I've only been a member here since 2005, but I clearly recall reading many complaints about Apple's design (and quality record) during Steve Job's reign.

It's interesting you used the word "illusion". Back when Steve Jobs was around, it was common to read Apple's missteps blamed on Steve's "reality distortion field".

Now that Steve has passed, "reality distortion field" has been replaced by "Tim Cook (a.k.a. the bean counter) and his relentless pursuit of profit and margin".

IMO, Apple's always had times where people questioned their design choices and where their product quality was questioned.

Remember the iMacs that kept shutting down because they were manufactured with bad capacitors?
Remember the Titanium PowerBooks whose screen hinges would snap with normal usage, or the palm rest areas that would pit after contact with normal oils from some folks hands?
Screen banding issues on the first PowerBook w/ a hi-res display?
The first generation MacBooks that would randomly shut off after the machine became warm?
The iPod Nanos whose metal backs scratched so easily that there was a successful class-action lawsuit against Apple? Antennagate?
Yellow screen areas on the first gen MBP and iMacs w/ LED screens?
The MobileMe launch?
OS X Snow Leopard being the answer for Apple's Vista (a.k.a. OS X Leopard)?

Those are just a few examples of how "well' Apple did under Job's watch, when (running with your theory) profit and margin weren't distracting them. So if that wasn't, what was?!

IMO, one of the biggest differences between Microsoft in the Vista days (and even now?) vs today's Apple is that at least Apple sometimes listens and pivots based on customer input. They've already taken actions to improve the quality of the next iOS and macOS (by reducing the amount of new features). Of course, they did they back in the Steve Jobs days with OS X Snow Leopard, so ... be interesting to see how long they remember that lesson again.

great observations though i would say those issues were affecting only few products nowadays its almost affecting everyone battery issues for example i think its because bad hardware choice they cant admit it but i feel it must be this...
steve job era at least had great hardware and they have using expensive and quality parts but tim cook era we dont experience this anymore look at the intel vs qualcomm or some chip performs than the other this never happened before tim cook ... basically if i buy an apple product i want it to perform same with the us model ... but its not possible since tim cook... i bet you must be experiencing some issues because of this admit it...

 

[LovingTeddy]

Good to know. Thanks.
However, the Google Map is lagging at a unbearable rate and not able to locate where i am and unable to determine the direction i am going as well. It is really annoying, this also happens to other app and even when i am sliding the main screen, i have called Apple, they say my phone is fine, asked me to wait for IOS 11.3 (The representative was really nice, nothing to complaint). I think Tim Cook is Steve Ballmer Num 2, good CEO of optimizing company's profit, less caring about customers' experience.

There's a huge difference between throttling a CPU when it isn't doing anything and kneecapping its max performance.

It's also disgusting that Apple was doing this without telling anyone, even when batteries were considered "Healthy" by their own diagnostics and would not replace it.

Well... I agree with you regarding with how Apple should not throttle phone without users consent. I said that before and I will continue say this.

Apple should offer free battery replacement program and user should pay for their mistake. However, you need realize the world is more complicate that that. While I think most user would in favor of throttling the phone to keep the phone functioning correctly. Apple doing this because of they want their phone not randomly shut down when the battery is significantly worn out.

Apple at least recognized that they made communication error and take actions to make people happy. You also need know that most battery health program isn't as accurate as Apple's internal testing one.

Also CPU adjust its frequency base on system load. One screen shot really does not tell anything. On my Windows machine, CPU could go lower than max frequency even if I am transcoding videos. My point is that the throttling might not kicks in with OP's phone. Blame on Apple with one screenshot is lame.

 

[Suckfest 9001]

It's honestly hard to take someone seriously when every one of his posts ends with the typical

• O BOY I HOPE APPLE HAS MONEY FOR THIS
• APPLE USED TO MEAN SOMETHING
• STEVE IS SPINNING IN HIS GRAVE
• TIM COOK IS HITLER V2

Keep it down with the dramatic stuff if you want your issue to be taken seriously. As it stands, given your current mentality, it seems unlikely that you'll ever be happy with Apple, as it seems you take little issues internally to the extreme and start blaming the world when your GPS app lags. The fact that people here will say with a straight face "I'd rather my phone randomly turned off instead of being slower when it has a low charge" is hilarious and only demonstrates that they're in no state of mind to ever have a reasonable unbiased discussion.

Do us all a favour and get an Android, honestly.

 

[StarShot]

Congratulations, you've just now been kicked off it. You do realize that if - and that's a huge monumentally big if - this ever gets to head to a jury trial (very very very few class actions do) and if (my, the dtars are aligning for you today!) you're in the jury pool, you'll be asked if you've any opinion on the subject - if you say 'yes' then you're off, say 'no' and they link you to this post, you're guilty of perjury (a Massachusetts juror was once jailed for two years for lying to get a seat on the jury).

Well, I don't want to be on a jury at $25 a day anyway. Just thought taking this to "da judge" wouldn't fly in most of my lifetime although now, who knows what they're hear.

 

[Raist3001]

The fact that people here will say with a straight face "I'd rather my phone randomly turned off instead of being slower when it has a low charge" is hilarious and only demonstrates that they're in no state of mind to ever have a reasonable unbiased discussion..

I don't believe this is what people are saying, but rather they wanted the choice. And even if there are folks who do prefer performance over battery, why would that demonstrate anything other than an opinion?

 

[TiggrToo]

Well, I don't want to be on a jury at $25 a day anyway. Just thought taking this to "da judge" wouldn't fly in most of my lifetime although now, who knows what they're hear.

I have to ask, how much do you understand about the law? You don't get a choice to say no if called up. If called up you WILL serve and serve until dismissed you will do. Unless you prefer to be found guilty of Contempt of Court that is.

Jury duty isn't a choice; it's a requirement enforced by law with very few 'outs'.

Of course, you can try to take your chances, Jermaine Dupri, CEO of So So Def Recordings tried that in 1999 - got three days in the slammer for their efforts 10 years later. Massachusetts like to fine folk $2500, New York is more generous only hitting them with $250 fines or thereabouts.

 

[Mlrollin91]

emotional or not. Let us give a lesson to Apple to spend useful expense on lawyers to defend themselves, regardless of what result it comes out, Tim cook will look foolish in front of court and most likely it will be on the front page of the news. and furthermore, they will consider their ‘customers’ before they make their decisions.

I will stop you right there. Apple didn't break a single law. This will not go to trial, let alone see the inside of a courtroom. At most there will be a settlement, and it will be absurdly small. Were they honest, no? But is that breaking the law? Absolutely not.

And there absolutely was no negligence. Negligence has 5 elements and you can try to make an argument that 1-2 are met, but certainly not all 5. You might want to understand how the law works before throwing out nonsense.

 

[Raist3001]

I have to ask, how much do you understand about the law? You don't get a choice to say no if called up. If called up you WILL serve and serve until dismissed you will do. Unless you prefer to be found guilty of Contempt of Court that is.

There are options, and you do have a choice in specific circumstances. At least here in NJ.

 

[Ffosse]

Just pay the 29 dollars or whatever.

 

[TiggrToo]

There are options, and you do have a choice in specific circumstances. At least here in NJ.

Specific circumstances, yes, but none of these are a choice thing:

• You are 75 years of age or older.
• You have served as a juror in the same county within the last three years.
• You have a medical inability to serve as a juror.
• You believe that you will suffer severe financial hardship.
• You care for a minor child, or a sick, aged, or infirm dependent, and have no alternative care available without suffering severe financial hardship.
• You provide highly specialized technical health care services for which replacement cannot reasonably be obtained.
• You are a health care worker directly involved in the care of a person with a mental or physical disability, and your continued presence is essential to the regular and personal treatment of that person.
• You are full-time teacher of a grammar/high school during the school year for which a replacement cannot be reasonably obtained.
• You are an active member of a volunteer fire department, fire patrol, first aid or rescue squad.
• You are on active duty as a member of the United States military.

 

[Raist3001]

Specific circumstances, yes, but none of these are a choice thing:

• You are 75 years of age or older.
• You have served as a juror in the same county within the last three years.
• You have a medical inability to serve as a juror.
• You believe that you will suffer severe financial hardship.
• You care for a minor child, or a sick, aged, or infirm dependent, and have no alternative care available without suffering severe financial hardship.
• You provide highly specialized technical health care services for which replacement cannot reasonably be obtained.
• You are a health care worker directly involved in the care of a person with a mental or physical disability, and your continued presence is essential to the regular and personal treatment of that person.
• You are full-time teacher of a grammar/high school during the school year for which a replacement cannot be reasonably obtained.
• You are an active member of a volunteer fire department, fire patrol, first aid or rescue squad.
• You are on active duty as a member of the United States military.

I do have a choice to say no when called up as I meet 2 of those circumstances.

 

[TiggrToo]

I do have a choice to say no when called up as I meet 2 of those circumstance.

Which two may I ask? I ask because if it's age related or that you've served before, then it's a choice, if it's due to another then it's not really much of a choice.

 

[Raist3001]

Which two may I ask? I ask because if it's age related then it's a choice, if it's due to another then it's not really much of a choice.

LOL...Quick Edit.
I have the choice to say NO based on the criteria I meet, or serve. This is not rocket science

 

[Jimmy James]

Depending upon your country I don't think this constitutes negligence.

What was your insurance claim for? With whom?

 

[ACG12]

They should've done the right thing and upgraded all 6+ owners to a 6S+. What a POS that phone was while I had it.

 

[Wirenut]

My phone is a 6S. Is that eligible for the $29 new battery?

What do I do, just take it to the store or do I have to apply first?

 

[CTHarrryH]

Remember all - in the long run we pay for the lawsuits not "Apple" . It is and will be part of the cost of doing business as it is for all companies and when the cost of doing business goes up so does the price to consumers.

 

[temna]

My iphone is lagging like crazy after updating to IOS 11. Their story about battery wear does not stand at all, because i have my phone plugged in and it is being charged, why do they downgrade my speed when it is plugged it? They just want you to updade to a newer phone. Here is a picture of my cpu speed while plugging and using GPS. GPS could not be used anymore due to the significant lag i got. i hope Apple has money to pay for the insurance claim it has caused . My iphone 6s is 1.5 years old. I think i should have the option to go back to IOS10

Hahahahaha!! Thanks for the laugh.
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They should've done the right thing and upgraded all 6+ owners to a 6S+. What a POS that phone was while I had it.

OMG! So if your 2015 car gets a flat tire, should you expect a shiny new 2017 for your trouble?

 

[Superrjamz54]

great observations though i would say those issues were affecting only few products nowadays its almost affecting everyone battery issues for example i think its because bad hardware choice they cant admit it but i feel it must be this...
steve job era at least had great hardware and they have using expensive and quality parts but tim cook era we dont experience this anymore look at the intel vs qualcomm or some chip performs than the other this never happened before tim cook ... basically if i buy an apple product i want it to perform same with the us model ... but its not possible since tim cook... i bet you must be experiencing some issues because of this admit it...

So you would rather be openly screwed by a manufacturer then try to find a different one? Why do you think Samsung created their Exynos chip?

 

[Strelok]

I have to ask, how much do you understand about the law? You don't get a choice to say no if called up. If called up you WILL serve and serve until dismissed you will do. Unless you prefer to be found guilty of Contempt of Court that is.

Jury duty isn't a choice; it's a requirement enforced by law with very few 'outs'.

Of course, you can try to take your chances, Jermaine Dupri, CEO of So So Def Recordings tried that in 1999 - got three days in the slammer for their efforts 10 years later. Massachusetts like to fine folk $2500, New York is more generous only hitting them with $250 fines or thereabouts.

Dude, getting out of jury duty is pretty simple. You can easily say you are unable to be fair due to your beliefs or your bias and be on on your way.

Also this thread has gone places! Good on you OP for sticking to your cause, however hopeless it is.

 

[Apple_Robert]

Man is flawed. Apple releases software made by flawed human beings. Apple releases software fixes to address a lot of vulnerabilities etc.

Without any real facts, the OP goes to placing full blame on Apple. The wheels on the bus go round and round.

OP, take your phone to Apple, so that testing can be done on your phone.