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steve job era at least had great hardware and they have using expensive and quality parts but tim cook era we dont experience this anymore look..

Your post is erroneous. You’re insinuating that under Tim Cook‘s leadership since 2011, That Apple doesn’t release quality hardware anymore? Apple has some of the highest quality standards with their hardware in the tech industry, and you’re inferring that the almost 1st trillion company in the world doesn’t release quality hardware anymore? Then I question your knowledge on Apple in general.
 

ACG12

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OMG! So if your 2015 car gets a flat tire, should you expect a shiny new 2017 for your trouble?

Are you seriously trying to compare road hazard with a botched Apple design? LOL

If I spend $1000 on a phone and it doesn't last me 2 years because you completely half assed the design/quality and underpowered it....Yeah, I think the right thing would be to upgrade me to the phone it should've been from the get go (6S+) when I pay an additional $150 for the same POS phone that will get touch disease, again.
 

Raist3001

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Your post is erroneous. You’re insinuating that under Tim Cook‘s leadership since 2011, That Apple doesn’t release quality hardware anymore? Apple has some of the highest quality standards with their hardware in the tech industry, and you’re inferring that the almost 1st trillion company in the world doesn’t release quality hardware anymore? Then I question your knowledge on Apple in general.

I agree with you, but I do have some other thoughts. Is Apple truly a 1 trillion dollar company because it is believed they release quality hardware, or are people buying apple because it's apple? In other words, apple can release a rock, call it the iRock and people will buy it? I believe for the most part that apple releases quality hardware, but not without it's flaws. And it seems that lately, apple is having a hard time?
 

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I agree with you, but I do have some other thoughts. Is Apple truly a 1 trillion dollar company because it is believed they release quality hardware, or are people buying apple because it's apple? In other words, apple can release a rock, call it the iRock and people will buy it? I believe for the most part that apple releases quality hardware, but not without it's flaws. And it seems that lately, apple is having a hard time?

I think you’ have a valid point, I think there are those who will purchase Apple products because that’s all they know and that’s all they are accustomed to (Partially because of the ecosystem). But I think Apple is the one company that releases such an expensive product, that it does take some reasoning to determine if that is that product worth your money and is the best option. I admit, I’m very partial to Apple and I would rather spend extra money on their products versus the competitor. But it’s not always easy doing so, because they do charge a lot of money even for older tech and they don’t Lower their prices. (Unless it’s superseded by a newer device).

But Apple is far from perfect, and no tech company is perfect. I think this is a very difficult field to make the best possible product that fits everybody, which we all know, can’t meet everybody else’s expectations. I Think it’s about how a company continues to improve not just the hardware, but the software experience as well.
 
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StarShot

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I have to ask, how much do you understand about the law? You don't get a choice to say no if called up. If called up you WILL serve and serve until dismissed you will do. Unless you prefer to be found guilty of Contempt of Court that is.

Jury duty isn't a choice; it's a requirement enforced by law with very few 'outs'.

Hey, lighten up. Before getting the nod to sit on a jury, you have to answer questions truthfully. I can guarantee that either one side or the other will PASS on me deciding a case. The OP's line..."I hope Apple pays for punitive for their negligence" is something I wouldn't support in this case. I'm against most of the "PUNITIVE" awards that I see coming out of juries in the last 20 years or so.

I get the impression that juries that award some of these excessive verdicts say "Hey, the defendant's insurance company will pay so it doesn't cost anything to add another million. Let's make it 2 million more!!!
 

Mlrollin91

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There were 250 members in the Heartland class action lawsuit (out of a potential 130Million). 11 got paid. $200 each. You were saying....?
It won’t even go that far. There is no cause of action for the lawsuits. They will be dismissed.
 
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raqball

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It won’t even go that far. There is no cause of action for the lawsuits. They will be dismissed.

Even of they do go further most class actions suits only profit the attorneys. A multi million dollar settlement will gain the complainants about $40 each and the rest will go to attorney and other fees..
 

TiggrToo

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It won’t even go that far. There is no cause of action for the lawsuits. They will be dismissed.

Quite possible - this is what some folk don't grasp - it's real easy to start a class action lawsuit. It's much MUCH harder to have one get beyond a settlement - at which point the lawyers cash out and the litigants get a token 'thank you for playing' token.

It's harder still to take one to judgement.

Still, folk can dream, right? :D
 

Mlrollin91

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Quite possible - this is what some folk don't grasp - it's real easy to start a class action lawsuit. It's much MUCH harder to have one get beyond a settlement - at which point the lawyers cash out and the litigants get a token 'thank you for playing' token.

It's harder still to take one to judgement.

Still, folk can dream, right? :D

I'm in law school, so its fun, but flat out stupid to see cases like these. Because I know it won't go anywhere.
 
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sdwaltz

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I agree with you, but I do have some other thoughts. Is Apple truly a 1 trillion dollar company because it is believed they release quality hardware, or are people buying apple because it's apple? In other words, apple can release a rock, call it the iRock and people will buy it? I believe for the most part that apple releases quality hardware, but not without it's flaws. And it seems that lately, apple is having a hard time?

Idk, but iRock seems like suuuuuuuch a better name than "HomePod"...
 

puma1552

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My iphone 6s is 1.5 years old.

You bought a 2015 phone in 2016 to what, save $100?

This is part of why you never buy the old phone. Save $100 up front, lose more than $100 on the back end when it's not supported/slow/etc sooner and you have to replace it sooner anyway. The 6S seems like it was released eons ago at this point.

Say what you will about Apple and throttling, but buying a year old phone to begin with didn't set you up for an amazeballs long term experience, either.
 

jj.liu.james

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There were 250 members in the Heartland class action lawsuit (out of a potential 130Million). 11 got paid. $200 each. You were saying....?
so what? regardless of results. first of all, apple has to pay all the legal expenses, which is super expensive. then apple's reputation will be dented, this will be on the news constantly. look who filed bankruptcy today? Weistein film studio, why? look at welfargo, it is forbid to expand. i know this will be really little to apple. but
You bought a 2015 phone in 2016 to what, save $100?

This is part of why you never buy the old phone. Save $100 up front, lose more than $100 on the back end when it's not supported/slow/etc sooner and you have to replace it sooner anyway. The 6S seems like it was released eons ago at this point.

Say what you will about Apple and throttling, but buying a year old phone to begin with didn't set you up for an amazeballs long term experience, either.

well, it was a brand new replacement by warranty due to a unrepairable issue on the prior iphone. so it was new.
 

Mlrollin91

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so what? regardless of results. first of all, apple has to pay all the legal expenses, which is super expensive. then apple's reputation will be dented, this will be on the news constantly. look who filed bankruptcy today? Weistein film studio, why? look at welfargo, it is forbid to expand. i know this will be really little to apple. but


well, it was a brand new replacement by warranty due to a unrepairable issue on the prior iphone. so it was new.

It’s amazing that you literally have no idea how class actions and lawsuits work.
 

jj.liu.james

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It’s amazing that you literally have no idea how class actions and lawsuits work.

i am not in that field. i am not a law student like you, i am in field of data/computer science. I am not even in U.S . so even if they win , i won't get anything out of it. but i thought U.S justice system is fair. well, maybe i watched too many movies. lol
 

Mlrollin91

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i am not in that field. i am not a law student like you, i am in field of data/computer science. I am not even in U.S . so even if they win , i won't get anything out of it. but i thought U.S justice system is fair. well, maybe i watched too many movies. lol
So if you have no idea how the system works, why continue to act like you do? So what, 60 lawsuits have been filed. Anyone can file a lawsuit. They will be consolidated and they have to go through class action certification. This is where this will most likely end because Apple did not break a single law. No certification, no lawsuit. It’s that simple.
 

TiggrToo

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so what? regardless of results. first of all, apple has to pay all the legal expenses, which is super expensive. then apple's reputation will be dented,

Sure, if you want to pretend this'll be the case. Remind me, how bad was Bendgate and Touch Decease for them? Oh wait - you'd forgotten? - even though the latter is STILL a class-action lawsuit!

You really have an amazing romanticized view on all this - reality is quite different.

Take a look at Apples shares over the year



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Yup - all this is really harming the bottom line, isn't it. The damage is all but done already. Even IF - big big IF Apple have to pay out say $100Million - that's barely a day's PROFITS!

Think Warren Buffet would be piling his money into Apple even now AFTER ALL THIS if there was a risk that this would 'dent' Apples reputation. Like everything else, this'll all be forgotten soon just like the other class-action lawsuits they've faced.
 
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jj.liu.james

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So if you have no idea how the system works, why continue to act like you do? So what, 60 lawsuits have been filed. Anyone can file a lawsuit. They will be consolidated and they have to go through class action certification. This is where this will most likely end because Apple did not break a single law. No certification, no lawsuit. It’s that simple.

interesting. good to know. I guess U.S justice system does not follow intuition. more follow 100 books defined by historical events, might not have any relevance to the current events, but similarity. Justice is served by reading all those books. great!
 

Mlrollin91

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interesting. good to know. I guess U.S justice system does not follow intuition. more follow 100 books defined by historical events, might not have any relevance to the current events, but similarity. Justice is served by reading all those books. great!
Because intuition is the law? You can’t have a lawsuit without breaching the law.
 

jj.liu.james

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Because intuition is the law? You can’t have a lawsuit without breaching the law.
law is serving the people. or people serving the law? there has to be some principals, Apple is laughing at people because it follows this law
 
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