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aevan

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Also just because people get used to faceid and are not complaining about it publicly doesn’t necessarily mean it’s better.


Imo since you still have to touch the iPhone/iPad to start the unlock process I feel that the home button is still better because it’s one less step.


Touch Id: Raise phone, press home button
Face Id: Raise phone, swipe screen

- same number of steps


With that said, Face Id works when your hands are sweaty or dirty. It also has attention features that Touch Id does not.

At the end of the day, it’s up to personal taste, but for a lot of people it’s better.
 

eyeseeyou

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Touch Id: Raise phone, press home button
Face Id: Raise phone, swipe screen

- same number of steps


With that said, Face Id works when your hands are sweaty or dirty. It also has attention features that Touch Id does not.

At the end of the day, it’s up to personal taste, but for a lot of people it’s better.
Touch ID put finger on home button press down and it unlocks to the home screen unless they changed it. Hands must be mostly dry.

Face ID: grab phone, raise to specific position and distance from face and wait to see if positioned correctly and then swipe to get to home screen. I don’t hate Face ID but I do have issues unlocking my phone in the dark and in bed due to my face not being in an optimal position quite often.

And being better is still just an opinion. I guess it depends on how you define better. Different and newer doesn’t necessarily mean better. My personal preference is to have the phone unlocked when it’s in my hand before I start to look at it which is how I remember the home button iPhones working.
 
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StellarVixen

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I do not know, but I love the FaceID on iPhone, on iPad it is probably even better, because it works from both portrait and landscape, unlike on iPhone. There is a situation when I hold the iPhone slightly tilted, it fails to unlock.


Yet this thread is literally filled with comments stating they love the "change" from a home button to face id lol


I know, right! Can you imagine the horror, there are people who like different things than you? Horrible.
 
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kurosov

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I wasn't sold on FaceID and opted for an iPhone 8 because of both touch ID and sheer unwillingness to pay the UK price for the 256gb iPhone X price and have been pretty happy with it.

I use apple pay daily and do so without even looking at the phone when i do so TouchID wins out there.

I was very interested in faceID for the iPad though and i have to say i think it's fantastic on such a device. It's not like the phone where i want to authenticate without having to look at the device, Either in the lap or on a desk, It even works really well when set up to the side of my monitor rather than directly in front.

I spend a lot of time logging into various services and web tools on the device and keychain/1password autofill with faceID is fantastic. While my use cases for a mac have dropped I would be very interested in upgrading to a Macbook Pro with faceID.
 

aevan

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Touch ID put finger on home button press down and it unlocks to the home screen unless they changed it. Hands must be mostly dry.

Face ID: grab phone, raise to specific position and distance from face and wait to see if positioned correctly and then swipe to get to home screen. I don’t hate Face ID but I do have issues unlocking my phone in the dark and in bed due to my face not being in an optimal position quite often.

My experience is vastly different than yours. I don't even think about Face ID, I almost forgot I have any security on my phone. I raise it and swipe. Touch ID, on the other hand, not so lucky. Maybe my hands are like that, but it failed very often for me.

So, for me Face ID is better, and not because it's newer, but because it's much more reliable and easier to use + attention features. YMMV.
 

azentropy

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Love the screen on my 11, but faceid and no home button has been MUCH harder for me to adjust to. Even after 6 weeks now I seem to constantly be blocking the camera too much, get face too far away or a bad angle. With the lack of button the swiping to close, go back to home screen, bring up the application view I’m constantly I guess going too fast or too slow or not enough or whatever that it constantly takes me multiple attempts to do what I want. Two things that did what I wanted correctly 98% of the time now frustrate the heck out of me. My screen time is signifantly down from my 10.5 which also is telling.
 

Falhófnir

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Yes, obviously, some people like change when it’s for the better.

I was talking about the people who dislike Face Id just because it’s different from what they’re used to. I should’ve written “some people just don’t like change”. Because that’s, in my opinion, the dominant reason why some people dislike Face Id.
Equally though, can you criticise people just for having a preference? Touch ID and Face ID achieve the same end result, but there are nuanced differences. Personally I prefer the more deliberate action of unlocking with Touch ID, but I can also see why some would like the more seamless unlock with Face ID. At the end of the day this isn't a question of right or wrong, it's personal preference.
 

dojoman

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Face ID: grab phone, raise to specific position and distance from face and wait to see if positioned correctly and then swipe to get to home screen. I don’t hate Face ID but I do have issues unlocking my phone in the dark and in bed due to my face not being in an optimal position quite often..

This is pure B.S. I NEVER have to put the phone at certain distance to unlock with Face ID. Unless you really have long arm and hold the phone as if you are far sighted. There's zero effort with unlocking with Face ID.
 
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aevan

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Equally though, can you criticise people just for having a preference? Touch ID and Face ID achieve the same end result, but there are nuanced differences. Personally I prefer the more deliberate action of unlocking with Touch ID, but I can also see why some would like the more seamless unlock with Face ID. At the end of the day this isn't a question of right or wrong, it's personal preference.

I wasn’t criticising anyone.
 

MisterSavage

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My experience is vastly different than yours. I don't even think about Face ID, I almost forgot I have any security on my phone. I raise it and swipe. Touch ID, on the other hand, not so lucky. Maybe my hands are like that, but it failed very often for me.

My thoughts as well in that it feels like my iPhone/iPad doesn't have security the overwhelming majority of the time. I just swipe up and it unlocks. Touch ID on my old IPP is nowhere near as seamless.
 

Jonathantuba

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I think Apple put the Face ID camera in the wrong place. Most iPad Pro are in landscape most of the time. They should have put the camera under where the Apple Pencil attaches.
 
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Moyapilot

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What was interesting when I had the 11”Pro for about a month, is the FaceID while working really well, was slower than the Touch ID on my 10.5. I thought it would be hard going back to my 10.5, but I found it a complete non-issue. I found unlocking instant, instead of the couple seconds it would take with FaceID.

So while you cannot deny the cool factor of FaceID, I think in the end its a bit gimmicky. It is expensive, and also I think part of the system ram is also permanently allotted to its use (3.68 GB on 11” vs 3.91GB on the 10.5”).

On a side note, I hate being prompted to enter Safari passwords. I wish they were pre-filled like they used to be. That is where FaceID shines. Maybe Apple did this to make TouchID more frustrating as it now takes multiple steps to put in the ID and password, lift and place thumb, and then having to press enter after all that (atleast make the Enter action auto lol)
 

kurosov

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I think Apple put the Face ID camera in the wrong place. Most iPad Pro are in landscape most of the time. They should have put the camera under where the Apple Pencil attaches.

And it works perfectly fine while in landscape mode even with the faceid stuff on the 'top'.
 

MisterSavage

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So while you cannot deny the cool factor of FaceID, I think in the end its a bit gimmicky. It is expensive, and also I think part of the system ram is also permanently allotted to its use (3.68 GB on 11” vs 3.91GB on the 10.5”).

Complete opposite feeling from me. I get a bigger screen and instant unlock, unlike my 2016 IPP where Touch ID makes me retry way more than I would like.
 

eyeseeyou

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This is pure B.S. I NEVER have to put the phone at certain distance to unlock with Face ID. Unless you really have long arm and hold the phone as if you are far sighted. There's zero effort with unlocking with Face ID.

In bed it’s more of an issue of being too close with one eye not completely open in the dark, in the morning or at night. And it does have to be pretty much directly in front of your face
 

HEK

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I have the XS Max, iPad Pro 12.9 and iPad Air 2.

I now officially hate using the iPad Air 2 because it has Touch ID. Have gotten so used to the Face ID and swipe controls that I become momentarily confused using the Air 2. May be time to retire the old thing.

One other point is on both Face ID devices I use them with attention turned off. The speed of unlocking has spoiled me.
 

Moyapilot

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To clarify, I mentioned the 10.5Pro which had Touch ID 2, which was significantly faster, pretty much instant. I had the Air2 and the Pro9.7 before which were much slower for sure.
 

steve62388

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I think Apple put the Face ID camera in the wrong place. Most iPad Pro are in landscape most of the time. They should have put the camera under where the Apple Pencil attaches.

Huh? Have you used one? FaceID works fine in landscape.
 

aevan

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"People just don't like change" sounds like a dismissive rejection that actually there could be a valid reason some people prefer Touch ID.

Yes, for some people. But reading most of the negative comments here, I stand by my claim: some people just don’t like change.

I don’t consider this criticism, I consider it an observation.
 

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Touch Id: Raise phone, press home button
Face Id: Raise phone, swipe screen

- same number of steps


With that said, Face Id works when your hands are sweaty or dirty. It also has attention features that Touch Id does not.

At the end of the day, it’s up to personal taste, but for a lot of people it’s better.

You can just say, “Hey Siri open whatever” then the iPad turns on, unlocks with faceID, and opens your requested application. No need to touch or press anything.
 
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