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subjonas

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Well considering you don’t need to unlock the device to write notes...
First, I was responding to his/her comment about the iPhone. Second, you only don’t have to unlock if you want to create a new note (or continue your last note depending on your setting), and only if you use the stock Notes app. So in one specific use case, yes, you don’t have to unlock. For all other use cases you have to unlock. And writing notes was one example, then there’s calendar, etc. Many tasks you might want to use the iPad for during a meeting—that was my point. And now that you bring it up, yes, you do have to unlock for almost all of them.
 
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secretk

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First, I was responding to his/her comment about the iPhone. Second, you only don’t have to unlock if you want to create a new note (or continue your last note depending on your setting), and only if you use the stock Notes app. So in one specific use case, yes, you don’t have to unlock. For all other use cases you have to unlock. And writing notes was one example, then there’s calendar, etc. Many tasks you might want to use the iPad for during a meeting—that was my point. And now that you bring it up, yes, you do have to unlock for almost all of them.

I don't have 2018 iPad Pro so I cannot comment on how FaceID is but I want to agree with you. I use my 2018 (regular) iPad during meetings a lot. I use it as a digital notebook mostly though sometimes I would use it to check files that people are sharing during meeting or something like that. Numerous times during the meeting I have to unlock it so I don't write down on it every minute of the meeting. There are periods when I am inactive and to preserve the battery I do let it to go to auto lock. This means that I need fast (and low key way) to unlock it later one to write down something. TouchId does work great for those cases.

Now maybe not everyone uses their iPads like that so not everyone cares about this. For me personally this is the way I use my ipad 90 % of the time so I do see your point and completely agree with this.
 
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subjonas

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I don't have 2018 iPad Pro so I cannot comment on how FaceID is but I want to agree with you. I use my 2018 (regular) iPad during meetings a lot. I use it as a digital notebook mostly though sometimes I would use it to check files that people are sharing during meeting or something like that. Numerous times during the meeting I have to unlock it so I don't write down on it every minute of the meeting. There are periods when I am inactive and to preserve the battery I do let it to go to auto lock. This means that I need fast (and low key way) to unlock it later one to write down something. TouchId does work great for those cases.

Now maybe not everyone uses their iPads like that so not everyone cares about this. For me personally this is the way I use my ipad 90 % of the time so I do see your point and completely agree with this.
I was trying to avoid specifically commenting on face ID vs touch ID because I think they both have their advantages and disadvantages. But in response to some comments, I just wanted to say that ipads are appropriate/useful in meetings and that one does usually need to unlock their ipad to use it. So I suppose in this case—a table meeting, especially with the pencil—I’d have to agree that touch ID does seem more convenient than leaning over a flat ipad (I also don’t have a face ID ipad, so I can’t say with 100% certainty).
 

secretk

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I was trying to avoid specifically commenting on face ID vs touch ID because I think they both have their advantages and disadvantages. But in response to some comments, I just wanted to say that ipads are appropriate/useful in meetings and that one does usually need to unlock their ipad to use it. So I suppose in this case—a table meeting, especially with the pencil—I’d have to agree that touch ID does seem more convenient than leaning over a flat ipad (I also don’t have a face ID ipad, so I can’t say with 100% certainty).

Agree that FaceID has its own perks and advantages. Best solution obviously would be to have a device that has both but this would increase the price even further.

Or maybe we should see if iPad unlocking could be improved in such cases where classic FaceId might not be appropriate. Either make easier to activate FaceId when iPad is flat on a desk or use alternate way (that is efficient and fast enough - like I have even removed the animation during unlocking to speed up the process).
 
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HEK

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But this thread is about iPad. What if someone wants to write notes?
Then it’s open pencil in hand and not surfing. So no issues at all with opening it up. But don’t let me catch You futzing with iPad apps, tweets, emails, calls or you back to paper and pencil for notes from that point on.
 
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cocoua

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2 weeks using Face ID and is amazing the amount of times I had to enter manually the code.

I can't believe this works this way, only advantage I found is out of the shower, any other moment I miss Touch ID.
-in bed, man!! I try to hide the light from my wife and face ID makes this impossible: code 80% times
-some mornings iPhone says I'm too ugly so don't recognize me at the first try, face iphone up, then try again Eureka!! buf!!
-My sunglasses are polarized!!! turns out this doesn't work with Face ID, 300USD sunglasses and I have to remove them before using Face ID… wow…
-In a meeting, table, desk… take out your phone to quick check something under the table trying not to get everyone attention, Face ID don't work, again code
-iPhone in the dock in my desk, at my left, Face ID needs my head put just in front of it, people around look me like "what the hell are you doing man?"
-In the car (OK, OK, as copilot…) the iPhone is front docked with GPS, want to unblock? yes! face ID doesn't work!!
-want to unlock in landscape ? you can't!!! what?!?!
-unlock requires some extra moves vs old way,

every time it needs to enter the code, you are losing several seconds to unlock your phone, it would be more quick if the code would be already ready there in case Face ID won't work…

1-touch your screen (not always lifting the phone the screen auto switch ON…),
2-look your iPhone with your best pose
3-check the unlock icon,
4- then swipe up
vs Touch ID
1-touch the button.

so, your finger must be in the device twice before unlocking the screen in Face ID double times than touch ID.

Hope Face ID is only a transition between Touch ID and Underscreen Touch ID.

of course remember not to have something in your face as your hand, scarf etc… (touch ID gloves???)

so my code is again 4 digit length as I'm using it almost as with my old iPhone 4S

I'm not alone as I have this joke with my friends who have a Face ID iPhone, why call it Fails ID.
 
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Mr.Blacky

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2 weeks using Face ID and is amazing the amount of times I had to enter manually the code.

I can't believe this works this way, only advantage I found is out of the shower, any other moment I miss Touch ID.
-in bed, man!! I try to hide the light from my wife and face ID makes this impossible: code 80% times
-some mornings iPhone says I'm too ugly so don't recognize me at the first try, face iphone up, then try again Eureka!! buf!!
-My sunglasses are polarized!!! turns out this doesn't work with Face ID, 300USD sunglasses and I have to remove them before using Face ID… wow…
-In a meeting, table, desk… take out your phone to quick check something under the table trying not to get everyone attention, Face ID don't work, again code
-iPhone in the dock in my desk, at my left, Face ID needs my head put just in front of it, people around look me like "what the hell are you doing man?"
-In the car (OK, OK, as copilot…) the iPhone is front docked with GPS, want to unblock? yes! face ID doesn't work!!
-want to unlock in landscape ? you can't!!! what?!?!
-unlock requires some extra moves vs old way,

every time it needs to enter the code, you are losing several seconds to unlock your phone, it would be more quick if the code would be already ready there in case Face ID won't work…

1-touch your screen (not always lifting the phone the screen auto switch ON…),
2-look your iPhone with your best pose
3-check the unlock icon,
4- then swipe up
vs Touch ID
1-touch the button.

so, your finger must be in the device twice before unlocking the screen in Face ID double times than touch ID.

Hope Face ID is only a transition between Touch ID and Underscreen Touch ID.

of course remember not to have something in your face as your hand, scarf etc… (touch ID gloves???)

so my code is again 4 digit length as I'm using it almost as with my old iPhone 4S

I'm not alone as I have this joke with my friends who have a Face ID iPhone, why call it Fails ID.
Most of what you wrote is not true or makes no sense. And your FaceID unlock routine is completely bollocks. The true gesture is: 1. tap screen 2. swipe up.
 

cocoua

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Most of what you wrote is not true or makes no sense. And your FaceID unlock routine is completely bollocks. The true gesture is: 1. tap screen 2. swipe up.
Apple says 3 :p but they fuse my 3 and 4 steps in one large paragraph
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Aydy

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I really don’t like FaceID on iPad either but I assume it’s so the home button could be removed for maximum screen to body ratio on devices, so guess were gonna have to accept it..At least until they implement under display scanning, which if the rumours are to be believed is currently in testing phase for future iPhones
 
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Seanm87

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2 weeks using Face ID and is amazing the amount of times I had to enter manually the code.

I can't believe this works this way, only advantage I found is out of the shower, any other moment I miss Touch ID.
-in bed, man!! I try to hide the light from my wife and face ID makes this impossible: code 80% times
-some mornings iPhone says I'm too ugly so don't recognize me at the first try, face iphone up, then try again Eureka!! buf!!
-My sunglasses are polarized!!! turns out this doesn't work with Face ID, 300USD sunglasses and I have to remove them before using Face ID… wow…
-In a meeting, table, desk… take out your phone to quick check something under the table trying not to get everyone attention, Face ID don't work, again code
-iPhone in the dock in my desk, at my left, Face ID needs my head put just in front of it, people around look me like "what the hell are you doing man?"
-In the car (OK, OK, as copilot…) the iPhone is front docked with GPS, want to unblock? yes! face ID doesn't work!!
-want to unlock in landscape ? you can't!!! what?!?!
-unlock requires some extra moves vs old way,

every time it needs to enter the code, you are losing several seconds to unlock your phone, it would be more quick if the code would be already ready there in case Face ID won't work…

1-touch your screen (not always lifting the phone the screen auto switch ON…),
2-look your iPhone with your best pose
3-check the unlock icon,
4- then swipe up
vs Touch ID
1-touch the button.

so, your finger must be in the device twice before unlocking the screen in Face ID double times than touch ID.

Hope Face ID is only a transition between Touch ID and Underscreen Touch ID.

of course remember not to have something in your face as your hand, scarf etc… (touch ID gloves???)

so my code is again 4 digit length as I'm using it almost as with my old iPhone 4S

I'm not alone as I have this joke with my friends who have a Face ID iPhone, why call it Fails ID.

works fine with ny polarised sunglasses. in fact it doesnt work with my cheap sunglasses.
 

Fireproof!

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It’s an adjustment, but I don’t think any more big of a deal than having to hold my finger on the Touch ID sensor.

But I hear ya. I have my iPad Pro in the keyboard case, and for whatever reason, tend to swipe up to unlock with my left hand and it gets in the way of the camera. Using my right hand doesn’t tHugh, so I’m adjusting.
 

TopherMan12

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1-touch your screen (not always lifting the phone the screen auto switch ON…),
2-look your iPhone with your best pose
3-check the unlock icon,
4- then swipe up
vs Touch ID
1-touch the button.

so, your finger must be in the device twice before unlocking the screen in Face ID double times than touch ID.

Your finger must touch the device. First, a tap. Then the face scan. Then a swipe. Whereas with touchID your finger must rest in specific position and it may be awkward move your wrist to correctly position your finger. So don't act like Face ID is always more difficult than Touch ID. It simply is not the case.

Regardless, if you prefer Touch ID then fine. I prefer Face ID. I think the industry is moving towards my preference overall I'm afraid so....
 
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Puppuccino

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I recently bought an iPad mini 5 and whilst I love TouchID as it’s familiar and easy, I really do want the novelty of FaceID so I need to do even less to unlock my device.
 

Aydy

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Your finger must touch the device. First, a tap. Then the face scan. Then a swipe. Whereas with touchID your finger must rest in specific position and it may be awkward move your wrist to correctly position your finger. So don't act like Face ID is always more difficult than Touch ID. It simply is not the case.

Regardless, if you prefer Touch ID then fine. I prefer Face ID. I think the industry is moving towards my preference overall I'm afraid so....
“Specific position” Not on my experience. On my previous iPad my thumb was my registered print and it never failed, ever, regardless how I positioned it. I think if (in registering process) you are careful to scan from side to side (rolling motion) and tip to bottom of finger/thumb pad then iPads Touch ID is practically foolproof. Tbh it’s the one thing I miss most. My display was always open and ready by the time the iPad had reached my face, from lifting. FaceID, for me, slightly less convenient with tap>glance>swipe coupled with a conscious effort to ensure camera isn’t blocked. I get that people love it and I do find FaceID easier on my iPhone but on my 12.9 it’s quite cumbersome.

Also, sounds silly but with iPhone I always know where the camera is (to glance) due to the notch but with iPad I often find I can be confused as there’s no obvious marker on the bezel. I’m often instructed to “look down” not realising the iPad is in opposite orientation
 
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TopherMan12

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“SPacific position” Not on my experience. On my previous iPad my thumb was my registered print and it never failed, ever, regardless how I positioned it. I think if (in registering process) you are careful to scan from side to side (rolling motion) and tip to bottom of finger/thumb pad then iPads Touch ID is practically foolproof. Tbh it’s the one thing I miss most. My display was always open and ready by the time the iPad had reached my face, from lifting. FaceID, for me, slightly less convenient with tap>glance>swipe coupled with a conscious effort to ensure camera isn’t blocked. I get that people love it and I do find FaceID easier on my iPhone but on my 12.9 it’s quite cumbersome

I mean you have to put your finger on the button. It can’t just be anywhere whereas taps and swipes are not nearly as specific.
 
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bobsamm

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I hate it on my iPad 11" pro, hit and miss especially in dark/bed and even on desk have to move closer, but i like it on my iPhone 11 pro though.
Just got a mini 5 so much better with the home button.
 

Aydy

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I mean you have to put your finger on the button. It can’t just be anywhere whereas taps and swipes are not nearly as specific.
I picked mine up in a way with my thumb already on the button. That was second nature for me. The iPad was open and ready by the time It was at my face. I don’t know if it helped I was using 2nd generation Touch ID but it genuinely is as simple as picking up the iPad with thumb placed at the home button
 

The Chosen One

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2 weeks using Face ID and is amazing the amount of times I had to enter manually the code.

I can't believe this works this way, only advantage I found is out of the shower, any other moment I miss Touch ID.
-in bed, man!! I try to hide the light from my wife and face ID makes this impossible: code 80% times
-some mornings iPhone says I'm too ugly so don't recognize me at the first try, face iphone up, then try again Eureka!! buf!!
-My sunglasses are polarized!!! turns out this doesn't work with Face ID, 300USD sunglasses and I have to remove them before using Face ID… wow…
-In a meeting, table, desk… take out your phone to quick check something under the table trying not to get everyone attention, Face ID don't work, again code
-iPhone in the dock in my desk, at my left, Face ID needs my head put just in front of it, people around look me like "what the hell are you doing man?"
-In the car (OK, OK, as copilot…) the iPhone is front docked with GPS, want to unblock? yes! face ID doesn't work!!
-want to unlock in landscape ? you can't!!! what?!?!
-unlock requires some extra moves vs old way,

every time it needs to enter the code, you are losing several seconds to unlock your phone, it would be more quick if the code would be already ready there in case Face ID won't work…

1-touch your screen (not always lifting the phone the screen auto switch ON…),
2-look your iPhone with your best pose
3-check the unlock icon,
4- then swipe up
vs Touch ID
1-touch the button.

so, your finger must be in the device twice before unlocking the screen in Face ID double times than touch ID.

Hope Face ID is only a transition between Touch ID and Underscreen Touch ID.

of course remember not to have something in your face as your hand, scarf etc… (touch ID gloves???)

so my code is again 4 digit length as I'm using it almost as with my old iPhone 4S

I'm not alone as I have this joke with my friends who have a Face ID iPhone, why call it Fails ID.

Works great for me. In landscape too. ;)

And it can require less actions.
1. hey siri open netflix
(2. done.)

Or tap and instantly drag up. Since face id is so quick.

Try to hide the light? Thats a phone light issue, not so much face id? Also just turn down brightness late at night.

And you should be happy it wouldn't work with (certain) sunglasses.
 

TopherMan12

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I picked mine up in a way with my thumb already on the button. That was second nature for me. The iPad was open and ready by the time It was at my face. I don’t know if it helped I was using 2nd generation Touch ID but it genuinely is as simple as picking up the iPad with thumb placed at the home button

Swiping is second nature to me as well and it doesn't have to be nearly as exact. To each their own, I guess.
 
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HEK

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Much prefer Face ID over the button. Works for me 99% of time. Gets better as it learns variations of my face. If you have it learn your face lying down then it works better that way if you access a lot in bed.

Also, turn off the attention feature. That has it open faster because it’s not looking for your eyes. Course your better half could hold phone up to your face while sleeping and unlock it.

Gave away my iPad Air 2 because I found the home button so annoying. Phone and iPad Pro are Face ID all the way. Much easier, barely think about unlocking any more.
 
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