I over bought, 16" Max, 32GB

[profcutter]

I personally think it’s the measly 16 neural engine cores that would be why the computer would become obsolete sooner than later. Yes, next gen M-series would obviously have more of everything, it’s the only way to keep people hooked. It makes more sense for companies to have people run unoptimised software on the latest hardware all the time as against sitting and optimising software for current hardware and just working on bettering the offering - like they used to do just a decade or two ago.

Many many many years ago, I worked at Adobe in Seattle. The situation with code for Photoshop was a running joke. When folks ran Photoshop V1 on an intel mac to prove the quality of cross-compatibility, we would all say, of course it’s compatible, all the code is still there in the newest versions because no one was ever paid to remove it.

 

[dtm84]

My last mbp last me ten years. I probably overbought but I know ****-ass developers can't deliver optimized software so in ten years I expect that I will be needing this 64gigs of memory to handle textedit.

 

[macintoshmac]

My last mbp last me ten years. I probably overbought but I know ****-ass developers can't deliver optimized software so in ten years I expect that I will be needing this 64gigs of memory to handle textedit.

Exaggeration, but on point for some software.

 

[Queen6]

In the case of the current MacBook Pros - you still retain the OPTION to move them around, but they outperform everything else in the Mac lineup.

Also, there's "travel" and there's the ability to use on the couch, in other rooms of the house, etc. Wouldn't class that as "travel" (where the 14" would come into its own on aircraft tray tables, etc.) but it's still something a desktop Mac can not do.

Performance to footprint the 14" is unbeatable, if not needing the additional performance the M1 13" more so I've travelled all over the world, with the vast majority of hotel room safe's being too small to accommodate a 15"/16" MBP and that's a factor in some places...

I have the base M1 13" MBP and it still impresses as it easily keeps pace with this 17" Asus that has three 12V fans to keep it cool. I'd like a new 14" equally I currently don't need the performance and prefer the M1 13" extensive battery life.

TBH Apple Silicon is a real game changer for those that can exploit the performance. A rare occurrence that is very tangible, not incremental by any means

Small numbers compared to the new 14" & 16" yet still a great result for such a small & light notebook with a very fair price point.

Q-6

 

[Queen6]

Exaggeration, but on point for some software.

Some Mac's just keep on going, even the flawed ones.

Some software lags behind and should be discarded for better options, Dev's will get the picture sooner or later. Personally I don't care to rent software; sell me a solid product and I'll revisit, if not I'll look elsewhere...

Q-6

 

[LonestarOne]

Not installing Rosetta.

I don’t think you understand what Rosetta is.

It’s not something you install.

 

[throAU]

It’s not something you install.

Actually, the first time you run (or install, I forget) a non-native app on an M1 based machine, macOS asks if you want to install it, so it uh... is something you choose to install. You can say no and the non-native app simply won't run.

The next time you try run a non-native app it will ask again.

I went through this just a couple of weeks ago.

 

[Queen6]

Actually, the first time you run (or install, I forget) a non-native app on an M1 based machine, macOS asks if you want to install it, so it uh... is something you choose to install. You can say no and the non-native app simply won't run.

The next time you try run a non-native app it will ask again.

I went through this just a couple of weeks ago.

From what I remember your asked once to install Rosetta 2, then the rest is seamless for Intel based Mac applications. No doubt there is a degradation in perforce under Rosetta 2, however the SOC is so efficient that the offset is barely notable.

Q-6

 

[throAU]

From what I remember your asked once to install Rosetta 2, then the rest is seamless for Intel based Mac applications. No doubt there is a degradation in perforce under Rosetta 2, however the SOC is so efficient that the offset is barely notable.

Q-6

Yup.

My point though was that it is indeed something you're asked to install.

 

[macintoshmac]

Some Mac's just keep on going.

Some software lags behind and should be discarded for better options, Dev's will get the picture sooner or later...

Q-6

I meant about the part where poster said we would need 64 GB for text edit in 10 years.

The MacBook Pro 8,2 was a phenomenal device. I had the same.

 

[macintoshmac]

I don’t think you understand what Rosetta is.

It’s not something you install.

I apologise. My not-first-world antecedents may have put me at a disadvantage with regards to understanding the meaning of certain words, let alone technologies. Clearly, Rosetta is not something you install, and here is me thinking Apple wants me to install it. My bad.

Draw your own conclusions who does't understand what.

 

[Queen6]

I apologise. My not-first-world antecedents may have put me at a disadvantage with regards to understanding the meaning of certain words, let alone technologies. Clearly, Rosetta is not something you install, and here is me thinking Apple wants me to install it. My bad.

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Draw your own conclusions who does't understand what.

Just install, think Rosetta is baked into the OS, Apple is just presenting the obligatory warning

Q-6

 

[macintoshmac]

Performance to footprint the 14" is unbeatable, if not needing the additional performance the M1 13" more so I've travelled all over the world, with the vast majority of hotel room safe's being too small to accommodate a 15"/16" MBP and that's a factor in some places...

I have the base M1 13" MBP and it still impresses as it easily keeps pace with this 17" Asus that has three 12V fans to keep it cool. I'd like a new 14" equally I currently don't need the performance and prefer the M1 13" extensive battery life.

TBH Apple Silicon is a real game changer for those that can exploit the performance. A rare occurrence that is very tangible, not incremental by any means

Small numbers compared to the new 14" & 16" yet still a great result for such a small & light notebook with a very fair price point.

Q-6

Game-changing silicon indeed.

 

[Queen6]

I meant about the part where poster said we would need 64 GB for text edit in 10 years.

The MacBook Pro 8,2 was a phenomenal device. I had the same.

TBH the 15" MBP 8.2 now runs better than it ever has, likely due to firmware & OS updates. Admittedly I restrict the dGPU as much as I can for obvious reason.

Many over spec and that's fine, that said if you understand your workflow and needs you know exactly what to purchase. I think those that use their notebooks for work purpose are more pragmatic as the HW is simply a tool to accomplish the task at hand.

I very much like the new 14" MBP, however it would likely offer little if any advantage over my current 13" M1 MBP. For me there has to be a significant advantage to a larger, heaver notebook.

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[smoking monkey]

I may have over bought as well. I’m really not sure. I still do get a spinning beach ball but 95% less than I used to. And Everything is so much smoother as well compared to my previous two computers from the past two years.

The only thing that disappoints me with the M1max though is the battery life. It’s certain not even close to all day. I can eat through it in my working day. I think I’d take less power for more battery. If it was only 5-8 percent less power but a few hours more battery. Apple never made the battery distinction clear in their presentation.

 

[macintoshmac]

TBH the 15" MBP 8.2 now runs better than it ever has, likely due to firmware & OS updates. Admittedly I restrict the dGPU as much as I can for obvious reason.

Q-6

Wow, that’s nice to read.

It was funny how my 2016 MBP 13 felt worse-performing (graphics-wise) than the 2011 MBP with dGPU. I sold it because it was showing multiple organ failure - speakers, battery, dGPU failing and causing frequent kernel panics, sometimes making the computer almost unusable in some apps.

 

[Queen6]

Wow, that’s nice to read.

It was funny how my 2016 MBP 13 felt worse-performing (graphics-wise) than the 2011 MBP with dGPU. I sold it because it was showing multiple organ failure - speakers, battery, dGPU failing and causing frequent kernel panics, sometimes making the computer almost unusable in some apps.

The 2011 15" MBP did the rounds with the family. I didn't want to sell out as the 15" 8.2 was notorious for dGPU failure This one was hammered by myself in an engineering role, passed to my wife then onto our daughter who treated it as a PlayStation LOL. The 8.2 was ignored and finally came back to me in an unbootable state, subsequently left in box for a year and a half.

Pandemic hit and what to do? With time on hands dug into the 8.2, slowly cleaned up the SW image. The 15" 8.2 is as good as it ever was The standout is this notebook has never been clean installed, remains 100% stock from Apple, spinner and all.

Battery has been warning for close to five years, nor swelling and sometimes flips to good as the winter sets in. These days I limit the charge to 50%. Safe to say we've more than had our moneys worth out of the 8.2, seeing off several newer Mac's That said I feel this 8.2 is the exception to the rule as it typically runs hot, with many burning out the dGPU effectively turning them to e-waste. Yet this 15" 8.2 continues to perform as expected...

Second screening right now on the 15" 8.2 just playing video at a cool 77C which speaks volumes LOL.

Q-6

 

[macintoshmac]

Safe to say we've more than had our moneys worth out of the 8.2, seeing off several newer Mac's That said I feel this 8.2 is the exception to the rule as it typically runs hot, with many burning out the dGPU effectively turning them to e-waste. Yet this 15" 8.2 continues to perform as expected...

Second screening right now on the 15" 8.2 just playing video at a cool 77C which speaks volumes LOL.

Q-6

Oh, absolutely. The 8,2 was my first Apple purchase and I didn’t want to sell it off. The multiple organ failure plus the price I got for it (33% of what I paid for) made me think okay let’s sell it and keep it alive in memory and couple photographs.

 

[throAU]

It was funny how my 2016 MBP 13 felt worse-performing (graphics-wise) than the 2011 MBP with dGPU.

This is because the 2011 15" machines were CPU monsters for their time, the GPU wasn't too bad, and intel integrated graphics in any machine to date are a joke.

I have one here (an early 2011, so I think that's an 8.1?) and before the GPU died in it, it was awesome.

The quad core at 2.9-3.3(?) ghz in these things just slaughters any intel 13" machine even up to today. They were truly a landmark machine, and due to intel stagnation not much happened in the years since other than additional heat and small bumps in CPU performance for the same or worse thermal requirements.

 

[Queen6]

Oh, absolutely. The 8,2 was my first Apple purchase and I didn’t want to sell it off. The multiple organ failure plus the price I got for it (33% of what I paid for) made me think okay let’s sell it and keep it alive in memory and couple photographs.

At a point where the 15" MBP 8.2 owes me nothing and is worth next to nothing, so may as well run it into the ground. I have far more powerful macOS & Windows notebooks for serious work. The 2011 15" sits at the end of the desk and competently serves up media, when it doesn't It will be replaced until then I see no need to replace it.

Kind of a relic, yet still serviceable a decade on which is more than can be said for most. Simple thing's like feedforwarding a film will rapidly result in 90C plus CPU temps. Yet this 15" 8.2 MBP seems near bulletproof as irrespective of CPU/GPU temperature it just keeps going. No doubt one of few as the 2011 15" 8.2 MBP was seriously flawed with significant numbers failing due to dGPU issues.

100% stock and everything works so I'll just leave it be until it presents an issue...

Q-6

 

[imran5720]

Bah! I regularly hit 160 on a Monday morning!

Specially when on a highway right ?

 

[J.Gallardo]

I may have over bought as well. I’m really not sure. I still do get a spinning beach ball but 95% less than I used to. And Everything is so much smoother as well compared to my previous two computers from the past two years.

The only thing that disappoints me with the M1max though is the battery life. It’s certain not even close to all day. I can eat through it in my working day. I think I’d take less power for more battery. If it was only 5-8 percent less power but a few hours more battery. Apple never made the battery distinction clear in their presentation.

Yes, the info about power usage pro/max is arising now, not told by Apple.
I was sure about getting the max, just because I can afford it and wanted maximum gpu.
I have finally ordered the M1pro. Battery life is important to me. AND I presume a “Max” will have spent more charging cycles after, let’s say, two years. I’m sure the “pro” will fit my use in two years; not sure how well max batteries will stand after two years.
So, if someone is caring about “future proofing”, take a minute to think also about battery wearing.
I’m still waiting for the Pro, but feel some craving for the max. Some thoughts about this view of future proofing?

 

[m1maverick]

Well, it’s practically free for organizations that already has a need to subscribe to Office 365.

Perhaps but that doesn't change my opinion of it.

 

[salvatore.p]

Some Mac's just keep on going, even the flawed ones.

Some software lags behind and should be discarded for better options, Dev's will get the picture sooner or later. Personally I don't care to rent software; sell me a solid product and I'll revisit, if not I'll look elsewhere...

Q-6

Can you share the wallpaper? Is stunning

 

[HarryMudd]

Genuine question: If portability for travel was not a requirement, then why get a laptop in the first place? Why not a desktop?

I have a desktop PC custom built for Photoshop by Puget Systems. But I prefer being with family while working on photos and can do that with the laptop vs. the desktop. I also use an iPad.

I really like being in the Apple ecosystem. Many things are just easier to get done. So the answer to your question is “horses for courses”.