Firefox home doesn't need any improvements, patches, security updates?....hmm.
Even you would have to admit, you are probably in a serious minority about this.
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Firefox home doesn't need any improvements, patches, security updates?....hmm.
Even you would have to admit, you are probably in a serious minority about this.
As long as there's an Angry Birds port for the Surface, apps for the target market won't matter. XD
Way too early to call. I've only had mine for 90 minutes or so but already the iPad seems like a toy in comparison. I've been able to add all my activesync accounts, remote in and make some server changes via RDP, fire up Lync and have a couple of business related chats and calls, and edit some word and excel docs and send them back out. The small subset of what I just did that is possible on the iPad is clunky - the type cover is a gamechanger (I haven't even had a chance to try out the touch cover yet). Being able to plug in a usb keyboard/mouse/hard drive/etc is very nice.
As for non-enterprise stuff, Skype looks nice and seems to work very well. IE works fine - didn't do much browsing yet. Netflix works fine. I see angry birds in the store lol.
As for non-enterprise stuff, Skype looks nice and seems to work very well. IE works fine - didn't do much browsing yet. Netflix works fine. I see angry birds in the store lol.
No, they were a console regarded as being "kiddy", when in fact they were going after the same demographic.
Do people go out and buy new screens and mice everytime they get a PC? The Mini is as viable an upgrade as any PC in this situation. Consumers did have choice.
No OEM could sell Linux computers without facing a lawsuit. This ended sometime in the early 00's, when MS was slapped with the antitrust stick. Now any OEM can sell Linux, and has attempted to do so. It didn't catch on with consumers, though.
And it wasn't gimped Linux. You could buy Dell desktops with a full copy of Ubuntu if you wanted.
Yeah, comprehension is nice. I said not everyone goes out and buys Office for it's enterprise compatibility. It's a well known brand name. Someone wanting to use Office for their home might do so on the strength of its name, rather than not having any other choice.
You mentioned no one every buying MS products by choice, I mention people swamping MS Stores for the release of the Surface, then you turn around and say they're all buying Windows.
So why are they buying Windows? That assumes they're getting the upgrade to Windows 8, right? Which means they're choosing to buy an MS product. Which goes against what you're claiming, considering they could wait to have it foisted upon them when they buy a new PC, rather than buying the disc now.
MS Smart Watch? What's that?
Secondly, Windows Mobile was hardly a failure. Rather, it was more popular in enterprise, rather than the consumer space...which it wasn't marketed for. Bing? It's not pulling the numbers Google does, and a little too much money has been dumped into it, but it's being used by quite a few people. Not exactly a failure. DVD players with Media Center? Never once saw that. It was probably a side item offered by an OEM with a license to a Media Center alike, rather than MS directly. And if MS were selling it directly, they sure as hell didn't advertise it. Media Center as I know it was a built in item inside of Windows for people who wanted to use their PCs as part of their home theatre setup. On that front, it was a rather well respected product.
Failures? Hardly.
I also love the way you throw around "common knowledge" and "reasonable" in a vain attemt at portraying yourself as an unbiased source with a level head. It makes you look like you're trying too hard.
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I give up Renzatic. When you go look at the numbers, and come back let me know.
Microsoft is not a consumer company. The Xbox, bing, and every other consumer product they have is less than 5% of Microsoft combined.
Microsoft is a enterprise and business company, this includes Windows and Office btw, you know right? This makes up 95% of Microsoft. Fact.
How profitable was the consumer divisions last quarter? How about ever?
You don't even about the smart watches , but claim the Zune was the only failure.
But yeah, you have good excuses though. Creative might I add.
Microsoft is not a consumer company. The Xbox, bing, and every other consumer product they have is less than 5% of Microsoft combined.
Microsoft is a enterprise and business company, this includes Windows and Office btw, you know right? This makes up 95% of Microsoft. Fact.
How profitable was the consumer divisions last quarter? How about ever?
You don't even about the smart watches , but claim the Zune was the only failure.
But yeah, you have good excuses though. Creative might I add.
I think you are and you will be. There are over 100,000 apps for the Windows phone so the basics are there that everyone uses and i think the Windows 8 is going to succeed. I think im going to get one but dont know in what capacity. Laptop, tablet or PC. Im open to a phone as well but id rather have the Nexus 4 if i get another one but ill wait to try them out.
I dont think the Phone side of Windows 8 will succeed as fast as the other products but i do believe overall it will sell well.
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Yeah, Windows and PC sales running it were a failure
Besides Windows operating systems, Zune, Xbox and some recent phones that are going to be vastly better now, what other products have they made that failed?
I know you said every other product and im asking you what else failed? Your going to mention Windows Office? Thats was a failure? Its used in many businesses and it is a software that isnt a main function if you know what i mean. Thats like saying Garageband was a failure.
Im not going to look it up. I didnt make the statement.
So...... 90 percent of the computers in the world run Windows...... Flop!?
Over 1.25 billion office users? Flop?
XBOX is a major player and,sold very well....flop?
Surface generated lines at stores and the 32gb sold out...flop?
Lol, did you read what you quoted? You want to refute what I typed without knowing anything about it? Ok....
I give up, some people don't understand the difference between Consumer products with open competition and the world of MS business and enterprise products. Who said those products flop? Or are you commenting without comprehending like the others are?
I can do all of that from my laptop. The surface makes for a good laptop, but a poor tablet. I am finding myself reaching for my iPad instead of my surface for web browsing and reading.
I think it's you defining an arbitrary line between the two so you can say MS has never succeeded in the consumer sector (save for the Xbox) that's causing problems here.
It's like Windows 7? Bought by millions of consumers? Business product. Doesn't count.
Office being used in homes? Enterprise product. Null and void.
You're defining terms so you can win the argument. Yeah, MS has had a few failures in its day, and it is primarily an enterprise company, but they do have a very strong consumer presence that can't be denied. A few of their badly thought out toys failing in the marketplace isn't indicative of them being a complete failure there.
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Quick question here. Is it because of the size and screen orientation, or the way the apps handle?
It's like Windows 7? Bought by millions of consumers? Business product. Doesn't count.
Office being used in homes? Enterprise product. Null and void.
You're defining terms so you can win the argument. Yeah, MS has had a few failures in its day, and it is primarily an enterprise company, but they do have a very strong consumer presence that can't be denied. A few of their badly thought out toys failing in the marketplace isn't indicative of them being a complete failure there.
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Quick question here. Is it because of the size and screen orientation, or the way the apps handle?
Tell that to Meego & WebOS
I had high hopes for WebOS. None of the other mobile OSes out at the moment, Metro, iOS, Android, even come close to the pure smoothness and excellent UI it offers.
Shame HP are a bunch of jackasses and had to yank it off the shelves before it even had a chance to make a name for itself.
Odd how the Gamecube was the only console for the Resident Evil remake ever to be made it to (even to this day). That and Resident Evil 4 first debuted on the GC before PS2. I certainly also don't remember Eternal Darkness ever being "kiddy". In fact that was game was pretty psychologically disturbing. Fact is there were several key M rated games that made their way to the Gamecube just not in the abundance as in the PS2. It was a general variety type console, but I have never considered it kiddy. I have plenty of Gamecube titles that would directly go against your personal claims.
Anyway, done with rant. Sorry for getting off topic here...
Well lets see some proof. You are making statements as a fact and when a few people refute it, you just say you give up. And what others are comprehending? I dont see anybody agreeing w/ you.
Show some facts that back you up and ill be a believer. If your not interested in that then dont make statements and assume everyone knows what your talking about because overall id say MS was a success.
I just dont think the Windows 8 product will fail because you say it will. Windows OS has never failed though ME wasnt that great.
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The Mac mini has been around for years, costs the same as most PC towers ( Really go into best buy, the vast majority of towers on sale are between 500-700 dollars. Right in the mini's price range ), and yet they don't pick the Mac, Most of the newer all AOI's are in the same price range as the iMac, and yet the PC AOI's sell more.
The fact is, Windows PC's are just more versitile, and longer lasting than Macs, this is a fact. Apple drops support for machines sometimes even less than 4 years old, while Windows 8 will run on Computers from a decade ago.
Apple stops supporting their OS's after a few years, Microsoft supported XP for over a decade. And they will support 7 for over a decade as well.
There was a time when you could, you could buy a decent PC with a couple difference choices of distros, and they even had tons of Linux Distros lined up on the shelf, no one bought them.
Business standards? Business standards don't apply to the home, Windows still dominates.
Business's have a choice between Windows, OSX, and Linux, they choose windows, because its the best at what its meant to do. If OSX was so good, why doesn't enterprise rely on Apple?
" Basic business stuff btw ", Is that short talk for pulling claims out of your ass?
Yep, NO ONE bought a surface, despite them selling out the first shipment of 32gb models, and crowds lining up in times Square and other MS stores to try out the surface.
Where you even around at the time? Plenty of adult games came out for the Gamecube.
As far as I can tell, the majority of consumer PC's cost between 500-800 dollars because unless you go to Wal Mart or target, thats what the majority of them are priced at, yes some people go buy the 300 dollar pile o ****, but most of them seem to spend between 500-800 bucks. Well within the Minis's price range.
Personally, why would anyone buy a mini? Its a POS. Work harder and buy an iMac.
Yes, because Red Hat and Ubuntu, and the Debian based Linspire were SO gimped, and the machines had decent specs as well for what you paid.
And an OEM can sell any OS they want, your stuck in the year 2000, the claim that Microsoft still does that " force you to only sell windows " crap anymore is a complete lie. Stop spreading lies. Because that's what your doing.
Go to dell's website, configure a machine. You have the option for Linux distros on it. More choice.
And ya know what else is basic infomation? Office is the BEST word processor in existence, nothing comes close to touching it. That's how it got so popular in the first place.
Hate to bust your hate bubble, but Windows RT will not be a failure. In many ways, it blows iOS out of the water. The fact that people lined up to buy the surface, and that they sold out their 32gb pre orders says that people WANT this product.
Yep, thats why they are worth 200+ Billion dollars, and twist the facts all you want. Windows is a CONSUMER product, as well as an enterprise product, so is office, it works in the home, school, and in business.
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The zune was under marketed and five years late. No ****.
Hardly, it was huge in enterprise in its day, almost as popular as the crack berry.
Microsoft never made a DVD player, sorry.
Yes, Microsoft sells products, and other companies sell products, people far more often than not choose the microsoft product for home computing, and business choose microsoft because no one else does it better.
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What numbers? Just because they do more enterprise business than consumer business means they can't also cater to consumers?
Yes they are, they do plenty of consumer products, some of which have done very well.
The XBOX has been a runaway success. People are already eagerly awaiting the next one.
Bing? Not as many use it as google, but its been gaining traction.
Every other consumer product? Like Windows and office? With over a billion users each?
Who cares if its 5% of microsoft? Business 101, you make money wherever and whenever you can, you enter new markets where there is money to be made.
Even if they don't make the same profits that Windows and Office do, its still money in the bank.
Fact, they also dominate the CONSUMER Desktop/Laptop OS/software market.
Time for you to learn some business, lets take the XBOX division, sure its lost money until recently. But they already said, 10 years to make a profit, best case screnacio, but its gotten to the point where Microsoft is in the living room, a place even Apple has failed to enter, they have a loyal customer base, and tons of online services being offered, even if it took 10 years, now they are making profit, or in a few years they'll make profit, its called a long term investment, and at least in the XBOX's case. its paying off.
So what your saying is that the half billion or so windows users that use windows at home, are actually business? I smelll ********.
And really, its impossible for a consumer to want a microsoft product?
Your right, thats why Microsoft went through all of its 32gb Pre orders. And people were litterally lining up to get their Surface.
So, sold out of pre orders, and people were lining up to get their Surface, how is that any indication of a flop?
The fact is, weather you want to admit it, the Surface is CLEARLY a product people want, so is windows 8, otherwise they wouldn't be lining up to get one, and they would have not sold out of their pre order inventory in a day.
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I rest my case, numbers still ring true till this day.
http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/10/what-is-microsofts-worst-case-scenario.html?m=1
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-19/news/31366454_1_xbox-sales-microsoft-bill-koefoed
Numbers don't lie.
Millions of people buy windows? What other choice do they have at a big box location? Seriously read the question.
As I've stated and Microsofts financials prove, it's a consumer failure. That's a fact.
It's 95% business and enterprise. 5% consumer, that's failing. Fact.
However continue on arguing for fun with your opinions.
"but but the Surface sold out" lol, they sad the same about windows phone when it launched.
Smh at people comparing a Mac mini to PC sells. I mean seriously?
http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/10/what-is-microsofts-worst-case-scenario.html?m=1
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-19/news/31366454_1_xbox-sales-microsoft-bill-koefoed
Numbers don't lie.
Millions of people buy windows? What other choice do they have at a big box location? Seriously read the question.
As I've stated and Microsofts financials prove, it's a consumer failure. That's a fact.
It's 95% business and enterprise. 5% consumer, that's failing. Fact.
However continue on arguing for fun with your opinions.
"but but the Surface sold out" lol, they sad the same about windows phone when it launched.
Smh at people comparing a Mac mini to PC sells. I mean seriously?
Your chart doesn't prove anything about MS being a failure at consumer products. Their online division is hemorrhaging money, and their entertainment division is only barely profitable, but it doesn't say anything about consumers absolutely hating them.
In fact, their entertainment division is the umbrella the Xbox sits under, the one consumer product you yourself claim as a success. You know how many Xboxes have been sold in the US alone, right? Tons. Shouldn't it be making more money? Shouldn't it be in the billions?
Buh...buh...buh...the numbers.
That's your problem. You see the numbers, but you don't understand them. You don't know why the numbers are what they are. If I go by your logic, I could look at a chart and say that Apple is a cell phone company who makes crappy computers no one likes.
But that isn't right though, is it?
Also, who the hell compared Mac Mini sales to PC sales?
In fact, their entertainment division is the umbrella the Xbox sits under, the one consumer product you yourself claim as a success. You know how many Xboxes have been sold in the US alone, right? Tons. Shouldn't it be making more money? Shouldn't it be in the billions?
Buh...buh...buh...the numbers.
That's your problem. You see the numbers, but you don't understand them. You don't know why the numbers are what they are. If I go by your logic, I could look at a chart and say that Apple is a cell phone company who makes crappy computers no one likes.
But that isn't right though, is it?
Also, who the hell compared Mac Mini sales to PC sales?
Did you even read these articles? Can you understand them? You clearly cannot, and you clearly have no idea how business works. Just because a good bit of Microsofts business is Enterprise, does not mean they can['t also be a consumer company.
Now, Apple is a 100% consumer company, they have zero pro offerings, and zero enterprise offerings right? Good, we agree on that.
Right, thats why the Mac is a failure compared to the Windows PC, in business and at home.
Do you have any idea what your talking about? You clearly don't, which is why you ignored my post where I ripped every part of your argument apart, you refuse to face the truth.
The Windows 7 Phones did NOT sell out on launch, so your full of lies right there, and people were lining up to get a Surface. Clearly you drink to much Apple Kool Aid. Yep, those peoples are LINING UP to get one, clearly they all must be large business's.
Why are Mac Mini sales so poor? Because its a pile of crap with an integrated graphics card from 3 years ago.
Pretty much, nothing personal, but.
1: You know nothing about microsoft
2: you know nothing about the market
3: you know nothing about business
4: you know nothing about the consumer market
5: you know nothing about the enterprise market
6: you don't even understand basic business princeables
So if Microsoft is such a consumer failure despite 70 million xbox 360s sold ( at a profit mind you ), and we can say about half of those Windows/Office users use at home, so about 700 million licenses sold right there to people at home, those billions of dollars in consumer market profit mean Microsoft is a failure.
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No, billions do.
Well, when it comes to big Box Reatilers, places like Wal Mart will have a handful of Laptops and Desktops for sale, but your right in the sense they refuse to sell Macs, because Macs don't sell.
Right now, the biggest Big Box PC seller in the US is best buy, and every best buy has a Mac section staffed by an Apple Employer, and the PCs still outsell the Macs by a ratio of 11 to 1. Clearly, consumers don't like something about Macs. Maybe the fact that with the expection of the iMac, they're overpriced crap? ( As I type this on my 2011 iMac ).
And online, tons of choice. Consumers have a ton of choices....yet they keep picking Windows and Windows OEMs....over and over and over.
when i first got my iPad in 08, the app store was.....almost non existent.
I had to live with the blurry iphone apps for close to a year. Things only really started to pick up once i got my iPad 2. Then the app store really went nuts in my opinion.
We have given apple time before, lets give MS the same year to pick up. Besides, only we the consumers benefit from strong competition to apple
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I think most people rather buy from the Apple Store direct.
I had to live with the blurry iphone apps for close to a year. Things only really started to pick up once i got my iPad 2. Then the app store really went nuts in my opinion.
We have given apple time before, lets give MS the same year to pick up. Besides, only we the consumers benefit from strong competition to apple
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I think most people rather buy from the Apple Store direct.
They don't sell Louis Vuitton bags, Jimmy Choo Shoes either
The idea of Wallmart selling a relatively expensive product is just polar opposite to their whole ethos and their entire customer base / focus...
The few PC's they sell are the bottom end entry models ($300-400 popular range), and not the $1000 and above price bracket that Apple fall into.
Seriously Can you really see these buying a MacBook Pro with a coupon at Wallmart checkout?
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They don't sell Louis Vuitton bags, Jimmy Choo Shoes either
The idea of Wallmart selling a relatively expensive product is just polar opposite to their whole ethos. The few PC's they sell are the bottom end entry models, or the $1000 and above that Apple fall into.
Indeed!
Last time I was in a Wal Mart, about a month ago, they had laptops ranging from 250-800 dollars.
Their most expensive PC was a Dell XPS something for 950. No macs at all, but they do sell iPads and iPhones.
They don't do high end at most big box retailers, thats mostly a best buy thing.
Tho I had to Admit, I BOUGHT a Compaq laptop at that Wal Mart for 260 bucks for a Celeron B800, 4gb DDR3 ram, 500gb HDD, Windows 7.
260 bucks?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Wtf? Sure it feels cheap, but it has a 7 hour battery life, and it performs perfectly for a basic user. You'd be hard pressed to tell someone who only does basic stuff to buy a MBA over the 260 dollar Compaq imo.
I bought it for a camping computer, for the sole fact that I won't care if it gets damaged out in the woods ( I tether it to my phone and charge it with my Ridgeline lol )
As an iPad 1 owner ready to upgrade I definitely gave the Surface some consideration. The main things I dislike about the iPad is how hard doing some simple things are on it, and I can see the Surface improving that. Ultimately though, when I thought about how I use the iPad, and what apps I use that are not available on RT, and probably won't be for a while, I'd be giving up too much for too long. I appreciate that you can do all those things on your Surface, but ultimately I can still do them on the iPad, and if I'm really doing some work, I'm just going to grab my laptop anyways. That's the real hurdle MS faces; they are building tablets that are closer to laptops, but it remains to be seen if that's what people want. It may be they actually just want a laptop.