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I predict the Surface will flop due to lack of software
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You better look again because they are not. The chargers are smaller (Not that i care how big a charger is). and they use the same 128 GB SSD performance you said was a good thing in the MacPro. The screen is amazing too. The IPS LED HD screens are better than the Retina displays in the iPhones.
Seems you need to do some research since your out of touch and your buying your company's IT assets....lolIm kidding...i know these are brand new computers and showed up only yesterday in stores but im telling you that new Levono is sick....and it is LESS than the basic 13.3" MacPro.
Yeah, those aren't exactly business class machines. Hopefully they will finally listen to us Thinkpad enthusiasts and bring back the ips screens they discontinued during their race to the bottom. Slimming down the power brick doesn't do much for me if they retain the same basic poor design that has no thought put into it.
I'll reserve my final judgement until I see one in person, but I'm not holding my breath.
I dont get the Surface at all. Why would someone pay $600 for a 10 inch tablet and cheap keyboard when you can buy a bigger, more powerful laptop for half the price? Its only worked with the iPad because the cheapest Mac powered laptop you can get is $1k, so $500 for an ipad seems like a great deal. Dont think the Surface will do too well. The Ultrabook convertible looks much more appealing.
That was exactly the argument against the iPad in the first place. The Surface is looking to fill the same niche as the iPad while being ever so slightly more like a traditional laptop.
Tons of pc users who could have bought a $500 laptop also bought an iPad...
Agree but the Surface IS more like a laptop. It isnt limited like a Tablet but the Surface Pro will be a better device than the RT. As far as a tablet is concerned, ...i dont have one but i am interested in a Nexus 7 and even the new iPad mini but think id rather have the Nexus 7. One big advantage for me is i dont have to use iTunes with the Nexus 7. Im not fond of iTunes at all.
So many devices to choose from.
I don't want to derail this thread with an Apple debate, but I have to say, the new macbook airs are actually competitively priced. Last time I checked, there was no ultrabook that had better hardware for a lower price than the air.
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I can't help but think the Surface will be a victim of a Catch 22. It needs a big selection of great software to succeed. But it won't get a big selection of great software until it does succeed.
I love how microsoft have put out a laptop that can't actually be used on your lap, with that crappy kickstand and foldy keyboard thing.
I know! Micro$uck can never do anything right! Lets find more things to scoff at and roll our eyes about!
Apps and ecosystem is important. But what about the software fundamentals here...
How many here like Microsofts tile based 'modern UI', where squares and single color themes are what meet your eyes? I personally don't feel attracted by it. So it stops for me already there. Not due to a lack of apps.
I think Microsoft is on the wrong path. They will steadily decline from now on.
That would be a very odd prediction considering there was already a large app store present before the iPad was released.
The Zune HD's selection topped out at a whopping 41 games.
Here is a post I made on ifans.com in 2009, 4 days after the Zune HD was released:
Let's see if I can go 2 for 2 on my predictions.
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There are 987 games currently in the Marketplace. Though it could stand to use a little more popular support, the Surface has already surpassed the Zune by and far.
I was surprised to see news about people standing in line for the Surface. I should have checked out the pop-up store in town. Maybe next week.
I've seen the Surface today. I was quite skeptical about the Surface and all this tablet/convertible ultrabook thing. I have to say that I changed my mind after actually using the Surface. I am impressed. Microsoft did a great job here. I have no idea if the Surface will succeed or not, and reviews are not so great, as Microsoft is no media darling as Apple. But the tablet, despite having its flaws, is a joy to use, and feels much more a complete computer experience than the iPad. The Surface Pro is definitely going to be a killer device in my opinion.
WRONG! Business chooses windows because there is an abundance of Microsoft-certified IT guys out there. A business will pick the most abundant, and therefore cheapest support resource.
As much as I want the surface to succeed (especially RT) I feel that it's a pseudo-laptop. It is not a tablet.
Wait for the honeymoon period to end.
Apple doesn't care much to push for it in colleges. Not many students care either because there wouldn't be confidence that certification could be used after graduation.
Look at industrial processes. Unix was primarily used to run the machines, but companies switched to windows because support was cheaper, as it wasn't quite as specialized. Unix was a more appropriate system in that scenario, but money decided what they went with. Ironically, industrial systems are having many problems they didn't have before, primarily security, not because windows CAN'T be locked down, but because many of the cheap IT guys these companies hire are glorified script kiddies.
That being said, there are plenty of business applications where OSX would be wasted, like cash registers. IBM won that battle, but with the iPad, we are seeing more competition because there is less to maintain overall, so operating costs go down.
Look at industrial processes. Unix was primarily used to run the machines, but companies switched to windows because support was cheaper, as it wasn't quite as specialized. Unix was a more appropriate system in that scenario, but money decided what they went with. Ironically, industrial systems are having many problems they didn't have before, primarily security, not because windows CAN'T be locked down, but because many of the cheap IT guys these companies hire are glorified script kiddies.
That being said, there are plenty of business applications where OSX would be wasted, like cash registers. IBM won that battle, but with the iPad, we are seeing more competition because there is less to maintain overall, so operating costs go down.
Probably becuase all Apple IT guys only work as geniuses at Apple Stores. They don't wanna work in some bland cubicle for some faceless corporation. Someone might think they're being conformists or something.
Bs it was never meant for that, surface is .
300 million users by next year, apps wil follow .
Is it a chicken and egg situation? Was there a lot of MS IT guys when Windows was new? Or did the proliferation of Windows cause a lot of people to get there Microsoft credentials? Seems like it most probably the latter.
I like Apple products and was considering getting an iPad. However, the Surface seems interesting to me. I'm going to wait to see how well it gets on before spending any money, but in general there are advantages to having a MS product - access to MS Office being one of them.
Gettin in kind of late on this discussion, but I'm a HUGE windows mobile fan from back in the day. I'd be that guy walking around with a Palm V with a modem hacking it to make phone calls, then very soon after a PocketPC with a sprint CF 1xrt card also hacking that to make phone calls. I wanted a smartphone before anyone even envisioned a smartphone, especially one with windows on it.
I don't think you can necessarily gauge the entire Windows future just on their one piece of hardware. I believe Windows 8 Pro Atom tablets are going to be a huge hit, there are a LOT more people out there who settled for iOS as not being a real OS, but at least they had a portable computer which gave them some light PC functions, terrible input, and good media consumption, these people are waiting for the day they can truly replace their laptops. That's how I've felt these past couple of years with my ipad, and it truly feels as if I'm coming out of a dream in actually having Windows (or any real OS, it could have been OSx) on an ipad like device.
With that said I see some major roadblocks for MS. Windows RT is a huge liability, it will confuse consumers and at times anger them when they buy it but realize when they get home that it isn't full windows. They really should have named it Windows 8 mobile to not confuse consumers, and it should have been priced about $100 lower. I understand the reason RT exists, it's the direct competition for a consumption device, and it also helps to stimulate app creation which will spillover into the Windows phone. I just think they botched their strategy with it.
I think MS has a HUGE in with the atom processor powered Windows 8 Pro, and they ARE positioned correctly. They are about the same price as an ipad, ie: 64gb versus 64gb, but if MS really puts some money into marketing people will begin to realize it's a real OS for the same amount of money. I think the ivy bridge CPUs will have some success in the enthusiast and business crowd, but it's not ready yet in terms of battery life, cooling, etc. The Atom ones are where they will take off, especially next year when we get a quad core Atom cpu.
I don't think you can necessarily gauge the entire Windows future just on their one piece of hardware. I believe Windows 8 Pro Atom tablets are going to be a huge hit, there are a LOT more people out there who settled for iOS as not being a real OS, but at least they had a portable computer which gave them some light PC functions, terrible input, and good media consumption, these people are waiting for the day they can truly replace their laptops. That's how I've felt these past couple of years with my ipad, and it truly feels as if I'm coming out of a dream in actually having Windows (or any real OS, it could have been OSx) on an ipad like device.
With that said I see some major roadblocks for MS. Windows RT is a huge liability, it will confuse consumers and at times anger them when they buy it but realize when they get home that it isn't full windows. They really should have named it Windows 8 mobile to not confuse consumers, and it should have been priced about $100 lower. I understand the reason RT exists, it's the direct competition for a consumption device, and it also helps to stimulate app creation which will spillover into the Windows phone. I just think they botched their strategy with it.
I think MS has a HUGE in with the atom processor powered Windows 8 Pro, and they ARE positioned correctly. They are about the same price as an ipad, ie: 64gb versus 64gb, but if MS really puts some money into marketing people will begin to realize it's a real OS for the same amount of money. I think the ivy bridge CPUs will have some success in the enthusiast and business crowd, but it's not ready yet in terms of battery life, cooling, etc. The Atom ones are where they will take off, especially next year when we get a quad core Atom cpu.