sorry I wasn't laughing at what you were using, I don't upgrade too frequently either. I AM laughing, however, because you expect Apple to go through probably a lot of trouble supporting mac os ox 9. That's just too far back.
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I'm planning to launch a class action against Apple about MobileMe, anyone up for it?
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As far as I knew, Mac Mini's came with Tiger. So your not trying to sue Apple for incompatibility, your trying to sue because your other, older Mac OS 9 computer is even more outdated by MobileMe.
This reminds me of a person who is pushing on a door marked pull. No matter how hard they push, the door is not going to open.
Granted the OP is in Brussels and there are different laws there, but I don't think this lawsuit will get past the clerk's desk.
Granted the OP is in Brussels and there are different laws there, but I don't think this lawsuit will get past the clerk's desk.
Thanks richpjr,
As you say people (customers paying good money) are frustrated.
My concern is just about consumers rights and apparently, marketing.
As I said in another post:
"I am NOT the only .mac customer who feel the same, this is the problem.
If it was only myself being rip off 8 Euros for 2 weeks loss of service, I wouldn't be here losing my time and yours.
There are hundred of thousand of families and professionnals using .mac who are in the same or worst position than me."
OK, Apple is the VERY BEST company in the universe, but they just didn't think about just one tiny little thing, customer satisfaction & market segmentation:
As I said in another post
"It was possible for Apple to give 2 simple options for their band of fan / customers:
1/ one good old simple .mac as usual they can use on their old Macs for their webmail, no hassle.
2/ a brand new trendy "Mobile me" thing they can use with their brand new mac + iphone etc.... maybe at a different."
Apple is the best at marketing and sell MacMinis for people like me and Mac Pro for professionals like most of you.
Some customers just do not need and want the new cool "mobile me" features right now and would have like to evolve quietly to mobile me in the future.
(i'm just one of them, should I be insulted by the "Apple lovers community" for that and having an OS9 ???
) It was not rocket science for Apple to offer 2 different services ??? was it ? and I am shure it is still possible to offer this.
In the jolly world of "Apple hugging"
there is lot of segregation, finger pointing, arrogance and lecturing... very open minded people,Thanks richpjr for the help and giving us some fresh air and a reasonable point of view.
Signed:
an ex "Apple fanboy" (like arkitect says
)it wouldn't have been feasible to keep up .mac AND mobile me.
a) that would require more servers, more trouble, more pain.
b) .mac never was a complete working service. It had problems.
c) though it is currently buggy, mobile me is/will be a better version of .mac.
a) that would require more servers, more trouble, more pain.
b) .mac never was a complete working service. It had problems.
c) though it is currently buggy, mobile me is/will be a better version of .mac.
Please read my other posts:
We've got 6 Apple computers at home.
I don't mind about the OS9, and my Mac mini about ok.
My wife's an iMac running on OSX 10.3.9 (and loads of .mac customers still run on OS 10.2 etc...)
and, No i don't mind about doing money in a court,
And NO i do not want "to sue them because they stopped .mac, replacing it with a free upgrade to mobile me" as you say
Because Mobile me is NOT an "upgrade" it is a new AND different product than .mac with different features look etc... whatever you think.
even the name IS different, isn't it?
And oups I've already paid for my .mac... (like millions of others)
But I presume you're only being "funny" or sarcastic...
So, Ah, Ah,Ah thanks for all your funny jokes
It helps.
Thanks for the insight, you are very informed. But I still think a clever company like Apple could have done it easily.
Surprisingly, the first webmail I subscribed to (pair.com) which came with my hosting is still run very well with my OS 9.
But if you really read my post, you'll notice that I didn't compaint at any moment about Apple not being able to support OS9 even if it could.
I spoke about my OS9 because YOU raised YORSELF the point my friend...
Is it intended ? to make sure people think i'm a dumb guy who just want support for OS9...
please find other tactics, or just read my posts
I don't think anyone is trying to make you look dumb..
But you really are flogging a very dead horse here.
You keep returning and beating the poor dead animal with a branch like some deranged Basil Fawlty type.
Just get on with your "Class action" and then get back here and let us know
Good luck, Bonne chance, Veel geluk or whatever is appropriate in your case.
But I presume you're only being "funny" or sarcastic...
So, Ah, Ah,Ah thanks for all your funny jokes
It helps.
Sorry for trying to get the facts straight, but of course you are right because all I was trying to do was make a joke.
Appears im not the only ignorant one in here
Many of your points are legitimate complaints. Many of us are having frustrating problems and disappointments with the service. I just signed up last week as .mac never appealed to me. After watching the demo of the iPhone/MobileMe integration, I was sold. It's still not working anwhere close to the way it was shown, at least for me. I am very disappointed and don't think it's worth 100 bucks if the problems persist.
However...
I doubt online threats of legal action have much influence on fixing the problem. It just comes off as reactionary. It's only been a week or two since it was rolled out and, since it was simultaneous with the new iPhone launch, it probably got tons of new subscribers in one overwhelming blast that choked it.
I don't see how Apple can expect someone like me or you to pay with our current problems so I'm pretty confident they'll get it working smoothly. In the meantime, my opinion is it's best to let them know politely and concisely that you're having problems. That does not include threats of legal action.
However...
I doubt online threats of legal action have much influence on fixing the problem. It just comes off as reactionary. It's only been a week or two since it was rolled out and, since it was simultaneous with the new iPhone launch, it probably got tons of new subscribers in one overwhelming blast that choked it.
I don't see how Apple can expect someone like me or you to pay with our current problems so I'm pretty confident they'll get it working smoothly. In the meantime, my opinion is it's best to let them know politely and concisely that you're having problems. That does not include threats of legal action.
sorry I'm getting so lost in all the posts... like I said before I'm not even quite sure what you want to sue them for.
Mr. Demi-God:
Those were not complaints. Did I say "I hate Apple" or "Let's sue Apple?"
No.
I was simply sharing my experience.
There is a huge difference, and it's not semantics. And yes, all the "Apple screwed me" crowd should ****. It will get fixed.
Uncle Walt's latest WSJ explains the situation very well. MobileMe is in rough shape and isn't recommended til it's fixed. As for using OS9 and whining... lol
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Apple is the best at marketing and sell MacMinis for people like me and Mac Pro for professionals like most of you.
Some customers just do not need and want the new cool "mobile me" features right now and would have like to evolve quietly to mobile me in the future.
(i'm just one of them, should I be insulted by the "Apple lovers community" for that and having an OS9 ???
It was not rocket science for Apple to offer 2 different services ??? was it ? and I am shure it is still possible to offer this.
Why do you see MobileMe as a new product? All it is is .Mac with a facelift and a few extra features. Everything that you could do in .Mac hasn't changed at all. If it isn't working properly, you most likely haven't done something right. People have tried to help you, but you seem so keen on big talk on suing Apple.
As for using OS9...why?! Anything that you need surely you can get for Leopard, unless you are using really outdated hardware/software, back from the dark ages..
The Egnlish Spillleng, and punctautoin, by all of the Legal Depratmnet Repersentatives on here crcaks me up.
My response might offend some people here but here we go:
If you really do not want to PAY FOR OS Upgrade, you can always find a friend who uses Tiger or Leopard and install their copy. I'd rather do THAT than complaining here or launching a class action lawsuit that you will most probably lose.
I can't fathom why YOU INSIST to use OS 9 when you know that neither Tiger nor Leopard has some sort of "activation" like windows. This means you can always borrow your friend's Tiger/Leopard and install it in your machine.
But that's just my 2 cents...
If you really have no friend who uses OS X, the "internet" might be able to help as well... but this is for another discussion.
If you really do not want to PAY FOR OS Upgrade, you can always find a friend who uses Tiger or Leopard and install their copy. I'd rather do THAT than complaining here or launching a class action lawsuit that you will most probably lose.
I can't fathom why YOU INSIST to use OS 9 when you know that neither Tiger nor Leopard has some sort of "activation" like windows. This means you can always borrow your friend's Tiger/Leopard and install it in your machine.
But that's just my 2 cents...
If you really have no friend who uses OS X, the "internet" might be able to help as well... but this is for another discussion.
Look, I'm probably as angry as anyone about this...
Unlike most people trying this, I actually NEED these features badly. I wanted it to work. But actual damages - NONE.
Personally, the only thing I hate worse than shoddy engineering, is opportunistic lawyers, feeding off others for a fast buck. Now, if the shoe doesn't happen to fit in this case, take what I said at face value.
This is NOT what we need.
The truly angry should do what I did - cancel your account.
If they ever get it ironed out, I'll try it again.
Unlike most people trying this, I actually NEED these features badly. I wanted it to work. But actual damages - NONE.
Personally, the only thing I hate worse than shoddy engineering, is opportunistic lawyers, feeding off others for a fast buck. Now, if the shoe doesn't happen to fit in this case, take what I said at face value.
This is NOT what we need.
The truly angry should do what I did - cancel your account.
If they ever get it ironed out, I'll try it again.
I'm trying to figure out why on earth you would willing use a machine running mac os 9.
Anything pre intel at this point is more or less scrap heap imo
Anything pre intel at this point is more or less scrap heap imo
Probably likes using the old classic beige boxes while listening to his 8-track tapes.
Do you understand what a termination clause does? Apple ended .mac, the service you signed up for. It worked until it ceased to exist. Full stop. Consider Mobile Me to be a completely different service with some of the old features and some new ones, with new system requirements, etc.
And before you decide to slam me as a Mac fanboy, please help me find a Mac in my house. I'd love to discover one. No iPhones either. Just a couple of iPod Videos.
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I want my money back if they don't fix this crap.
I keep sending emails to Apple support about my problems, and have not got any thing back. I have try to sync my contacts, bookmarks, and keep getting error messages. I can't get anything to work right, incoming Email is working only about 50% of the time, outgoing email takes forever to get a contact in the to address line cut and paste no longer works in Email. The list goes on forever. Running OSX 10.4.11 God I hope there is a 10.4.12 coming soon.
I might as well by a PC if I want this Kind of crap. Count me in on a class action suite!
I keep sending emails to Apple support about my problems, and have not got any thing back. I have try to sync my contacts, bookmarks, and keep getting error messages. I can't get anything to work right, incoming Email is working only about 50% of the time, outgoing email takes forever to get a contact in the to address line cut and paste no longer works in Email. The list goes on forever. Running OSX 10.4.11 God I hope there is a 10.4.12 coming soon.
I might as well by a PC if I want this Kind of crap. Count me in on a class action suite!
I have sent 2 emails almost 10 days ago and never got any response
Your best bet if you have specific questions is to try their online chat during business hours BUT be prepared to wait 2-3 hours during peak times and 1 hour even during the early morning
i won't type very much as you might not be able to read it all on your high-tech 800x640 g3 ibook or whatever piece of crap you are still using. Firstly...SHUT THE HELL UP! Secondly.....can you access your mail at mail.me.com? if so your case is closed.
weenie boi bitchs always gotta moan about something! they not have an apple store where you live go down there and buy a new Mac not because you have to but because YOU SHOULD! to retain any self dignity!
weenie boi bitchs always gotta moan about something! they not have an apple store where you live go down there and buy a new Mac not because you have to but because YOU SHOULD! to retain any self dignity!
No one force you to read, weenie boi !
Ah Ah Ah !
However, you really appear to not read (or maybe you do not understand what you read
uh ?):I've got a Mac Mini Intel - OSX 10.4.11 - with a 22' Samsung screen and happy with it.
My other "pieces of crap" are all good old Apple great stuff... not like this "immobilise me" crap...
Yes I will not reniew my dotMac, this is the least I can do at the moment.
Have a good night mate !