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cecirdr

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matthew24 said:
By using target mode I think ALL applications ( including all Apple- ( Safari/Mail/iLife etc ) ) are PPC based applications. Because of different processors a clean install without target-mode is highly recommended.


I think Matthew may be right. If you're running the PPC versions of iLife etc, then your machine will perform poorly. Target mode may not be a good method to migrate to a new computer when it's a totally new architecture and therefore has emulation issues. I'd start over. At least safari, and the ilife, iwork apps won't run so slow anymore.
 

asencif

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Dec 21, 2005
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Clean Install

I am an Apple Tech that has rolled out tons of machines and do recommend doing a fresh install of the OS when you do get a new Mac. For most users it's not a big deal and won't notice anything different or won't care about removing apps or unneccessary drivers in the system. I believe customizing your system to your best fit is great. I do a clean install and usually remove tons of languages, printer drivers, and bunch of trial versions of apps I won't use. Then I would just copy my data over via Target mode manually. You will also find that there is a lot of junk you might not even have wanted to be transfered. Yes this is all time consuming and as a tech is something that is my job and don't mind doing, but I would recommend if you know how to do it or can take the time to.

Edit: Of course at work we build an image of a freshly installed OS of a new Mac model. Not that we do it to all the machines one by one. Less tedious, so for the home user they have to dedicate more time.
 

emotion

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BakedBeans said:
It just ensures everything is perfect from the get go - although i never do it, it makes some sense

If you're gonna do this, before you get anything done on it is probably the best time I agree.

Custom installing OSX (as asencif suggests) isn't that time consuming anyway really.
 

Hoef

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Jul 11, 2004
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What are all these optimistic benchmark reviews lately? I'd like to have some realy end user experience..... Can't wait until February rolls over and people start posting their macbook bench's
 

BakedBeans

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Hoef said:
What are all these optimistic benchmark reviews lately? I'd like to have some realy end user experience..... Can't wait until February rolls over and people start posting their macbook bench's

here is one

RIGHT TIME FOR THE RESULTS

The Intel Mac arrived today at lunch. It is a 17 inch 512mb dual core. Compare to my G5 with 512mb - i took out the additonal stick to make the tests fairer.

First impressions are the Intel machine boots a fraction faster than the G5, I would conservatively put it at around 5 seconds faster, however not as fast as shown on a video doing the rounds on the net but indeed it is faster.

The first test I applied to the machine was to open photoshop and see how long it took each machine to fully open it.

The G5 machine opened this program in around 25 seconds
The intel machine opened this program in around 11 seconds.

Ilife 06 was placed on both machines and run.
The G5 machine opened this program in around 18 seconds
The intel machine opened this program in around 06 seconds.

I decided to test the machine using illustrator and a brochure I had put together which was 56 pages long with some very high res images in it.
The G5 machine opened the file after 16 seconds, and the Intel machine did this in 5 seconds, however the Intel machine allowed me to grab and scroll the document with no delay whilst the G5 machine was a bit more jerky.

I enjoy watching quicktime movie trailers on my Imac and found that whilst I could watch hi- res trailers there. I ran a test on The Xmen 3 HD trailer. The G5 Imac played up to 720p with no slowdowns or problems at all. When going to the next level 1080p trailer the G5 had problems even with 1gb system ram installed, the sound played but lost synch with the video as a lag slowly crept in. The intel machine played the 1080p with 512mb without a single hitch, the playback was fluid and uninterrupted.

Back to photoshop, and Indesign CS2 I found that Intel machine was on a par with the G5 but weirdly in certain functions the intel machine would blow the G5 away, certain brush and effects when applied suing the Intel would speed through instantly, where as the G5 would be 3-10 seconds behind in some cases.

Office proved to be very interesting as in my tests there was no difference at all, the load times varied by a second or two but nothing massively, and these would change around each instance, the only program I found to have what i would consider a noticable effect was Word. When a word docuemtn laden with images was opened on the Intel machine it did so with no delay, in the past there had been a 1-5 second delay but i had attributed this to down to the hard drive. Could this be due to the original powerpoint presentation being created on a Pc who knows.

One thing that is for sure is that the Intel machine comes with some nicer packaging, the manual, remote and documents come in a sexy slide box which was a plastic bag affair with my G5.

I cannot say enough about Rossetta, its like omni-present. If it is there and working you certainly dont notice, I will be interested to see how some of my game slike Roller Coaster Tycoon 3 run on the machine but generally across the board the Intel is either the same or faster. When native universal versions of the core mac programs appear like Adobe CS3 and Office I think we will see a huge speed jump!
 

Fukui

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hellodon said:
no with that target drive it moves the programs/files/settings but uses the OS that's installed on the new machine.
Yea, but I've had lots of troubles with this. For one, it also copies certain things such as frameworks and maybe even kernel extensions that may not be compatible with the new HW or OS.

I usually just copy my home folder, and leave it at that. The OS assistant thing copies a lot of stuff that can screw things over: like moving from a G4 to G5 and expect all your drivers to run perfectly etc....

I would recommend backup your home folder, erase the whole computer and restore from the iMac disc, then copy back your home folder.
 

Diatribe

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Fukui said:
Yea, but I've had lots of troubles with this. For one, it also copies certain things such as frameworks and maybe even kernel extensions that may not be compatible with the new HW or OS.

I usually just copy my home folder, and leave it at that. The OS assistant thing copies a lot of stuff that can screw things over: like moving from a G4 to G5 and expect all your drivers to run perfectly etc....

I would recommend backup your home folder, erase the whole computer and restore from the iMac disc, then copy back your home folder.

Even then I wouldn't copy all of the library.
 

technicolor

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hellodon said:
They made Rosetta sound like the most incredible thing to hit the planet....they definitely made me not worry or even think about problems like this arising...all i was thinking was "wow! faster iMac, same price, I'm glad i waited" but now i wish i would have waited even longer. I havent opened any Adobe products which is one of the main reasons I wanted this machine, if I have problems with illustrator and photoshop I'm going to lose it :)
Get prepared to lose it then. Even Steve admited photoshop wont run well under Rosetta.
 

Peace

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Apr 1, 2005
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Contrary to what Apple or anyone else says.If you are going from the PPC to Intel it is wise to do a complete clean install..
I don't have the time to sit here and type out all the technical reasons but trust me..

Do a clean install and like others said buy a 1gig stick asap!..
 

jarednt1

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May 2, 2005
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WHY are you running AIM?

The AIM client for X is utter CRAP even with a PPC machine its still junk. Use Adium X which is currently still PPC but a Universal Binary is any day now.

I am using it right now on Rosetta and notice NO slow down what so ever.
 

jacobj

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Apr 22, 2003
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Do we yet know how much RAM Rosetta needs to run? After all it is an app in itself. Do we have any new intel mac owners here that can run something under Rosetta and what RAM it uses in Activity Monitor - if it appears in activity monitor.

I know it will be different depending on the main app being run, but it will give us a feel for it.
 

jacobj

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Apr 22, 2003
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Diatribe said:
Even then I wouldn't copy all of the library.

I agree. I tend to copy my Photo Library folders, Movie folders, iTunes folder, personal folders (all of which sit under a main folder) and my mail library.

I then grab all my contacts, calendars and bookmarks from .Mac (love that).

I just dump the rest and re-install apps from the disks or the disk images if i bought downloaded versions.
 

Macky-Mac

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BakedBeans said:
it was taken from the macforum.com (or whatever its called - i only visited once to see if anyone had a user report)

a thing that's curious in that review; iLife is a suite of programs and not a single program that would be opened as "iLife"

Ilife 06 was placed on both machines and run.
The G5 machine opened this program in around 18 seconds
The intel machine opened this program in around 06 seconds.
 

Bern

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Nov 10, 2004
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Definitely do a clean install. When I buy a new Mac, or if installing a new OS I do an erase and install. I customise what I want to install avoiding unnecessary drivers etc. It's not time consuming and there is nothing Windows about it at all as one poster suggested earlier (ever tried a clean install on a pc... yuk). All you need do is backup your Home folder and copy across a few (not all) pieces from your Library such as Safari bookmarks, Address Book support etc.

Then get more ram, I think Rosetta needs it.
 

26139

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Dec 27, 2003
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Yeah, but...

If Azureus, limewire, aim and possibly Office X (seriously, why don't you just upgrade to 2004?) are the only major problems with the new intel macs...I am stoked.
 

ksz

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Oct 28, 2003
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To the OP: You have a machine that is ahead of its time. It will get faster as more native/universal binaries start appearing. The only problems are (1) when will they arrive and (2) what will they cost. If most of the work you do is with bundled apps (iApps) and iWork, you'll be fine. Otherwise you'll just have to wait it out...
 

Peace

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appleretailguy said:
If Azureus, limewire, aim and possibly Office X (seriously, why don't you just upgrade to 2004?) are the only major problems with the new intel macs...I am stoked.

No offence but imho having an outdated Office program is NOT the Intel Macs problem.It's the owners..

Developers arn't the only ones that have to do a transition.Customers need to realize this.
 

hellodon

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Jan 19, 2006
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appleretailguy said:
If Azureus, limewire, aim and possibly Office X (seriously, why don't you just upgrade to 2004?) are the only major problems with the new intel macs...I am stoked.


Yeah, but those are 90% of the apps i tried. (i've had minimal time with it since i got it)

Anyway, i plan to do a clean install tonight as per most of these recommendations, and I'm going to seek out a good place to buy ram. Any suggestions? I checked out the post about it but no one really had a solid answer on a brand or where to buy.

I guess i was assuming that the target drive copy thing would work out well but I was more so just excited to get everything on there and start "playing".

I still have my powerbook so i'll transfer things over manually if need be

As for why i don't upgrade Office...just don't feel like spending the money when the only change seems to be the icon (i had it at my old job).....all I really use on the machine is entourage, but apparently now I don't have much of a choice if i want it to run smoothly so i may.

I appreciate everyones help/responses! I don't feel so bad now.
 

hellodon

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Peace said:
No offence but imho having an outdated Office program is NOT the Intel Macs problem.It's the owners..

Developers arn't the only ones that have to do a transition.Customers need to realize that also.

Relax. I didnt realize it was having an older version of the software was the problem until it was suggested in this post.

How do you NOT take offense to that though? Anytime someone has to say "no offense", they are definitely trying to be offensive
 

Peace

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hellodon said:
Relax. I didnt realize it was having an older version of the software was the problem until it was suggested in this post.

How do you NOT take offense to that though? Anytime someone has to say "no offense", they are definitely trying to be offensive

Relax :)

I was referring to the general opinions posted on the whole board..;)
 
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