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I'm pretty disappointed with my Intel iMac
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Hey! If you're not happy with your Intel iMac, I'd be happy to trade one of my older WinXP machines for it! Think about it... you'd still get Intel, and even better, you'd know for sure that you would need a clean OS install! No more confusion!
Go get native apps. if you targeted your old powerpc comp EVERYTHING other than the os is running in rosetta which apparently is about50% of a performance hit. My advice, installl a fresh copy of OSX ( erase and install option when booting off the cd), then go find universal binaries of the apps you want to use. More ram doesnt hurt either as OSX is a ram hungry beast
I'd highly recommend you start from scratch and not image the drive; all the old settings are copid as well when you image. I can only imagine that the hardware is different enough that you should probably start anew.
hellodon said:
Actually you do have a choice. Don't use Entourage use Mail and iCal instead. Entourage is clunky in version 2004 as well and at present it's PPC not universal. You can better your bottom dollar M$ won't just run a patch for these, they'll have an update or new version and everyone on a Mactel will have to buy it.
Does anyone have a list to get everything copies over perfectly, if you don't use target disk mode.
What about iPhoto for example? If you move your iPhoto files into the Intel Mac, and the Power PC was iLife 05, will it work?
What about preferences? Is it ok to copy all of them over?
I'm surprised and really don't believe target disk mode would copy things such as PowerPC Safari over to the Intel Mac. I mean, I think target is only suppose to copy applications, when a newer or current version doesn't reside on the new system, isn't it? For example, it wouldn't copy iLife 05 applications to the new system, if iLife 06 was on the new system, would it?
What specifically from the library would you suggest not be copied over, if I do a fresh install, when I get my Intel iMac?
Many thanks!
What about iPhoto for example? If you move your iPhoto files into the Intel Mac, and the Power PC was iLife 05, will it work?
What about preferences? Is it ok to copy all of them over?
I'm surprised and really don't believe target disk mode would copy things such as PowerPC Safari over to the Intel Mac. I mean, I think target is only suppose to copy applications, when a newer or current version doesn't reside on the new system, isn't it? For example, it wouldn't copy iLife 05 applications to the new system, if iLife 06 was on the new system, would it?
What specifically from the library would you suggest not be copied over, if I do a fresh install, when I get my Intel iMac?
Many thanks!
i'm mid reinstall and it's locking up on me with errors while trying to install iDVD Themes. Freezes at 1%. I tried it 3 times and it continues to get this error. Tried to start the whole thing over and it got to that poing and did the same thing. Anyone run into this problem? i've spend 3 hours so far trying to install this. I'm thinking i may have a bad DVD disc 2. just my luck.,..
hellodon said:They made Rosetta sound like the most incredible thing to hit the planet....they definitely made me not worry or even think about problems like this arising...all i was thinking was "wow! faster iMac, same price, I'm glad i waited" but now i wish i would have waited even longer. I havent opened any Adobe products which is one of the main reasons I wanted this machine, if I have problems with illustrator and photoshop I'm going to lose it
You've certainly heard different things than I have.
Rosetta is impressive technology but it can only do so much, especially with the limited RAM your machine possesses. In the keynote, Steve Jobs mentioned that Photoshop would run well enough for some, but not for professionals. That was most likely with a full load of RAM.
It's not that the machine is bad but being the first is often painful. Even if the Apple's software seemed perfect, interacting with the rest of the world is another matter, just as it was with Mac OS X 10.0. In the next few months, you'll find various Univeral Binary updates that will make your work smoother, but don't expect Adobe anytime soon. They have a huge conversion to make and it could take years.
Good luck!
I also recall comments or indications from developers shortly after WWDC that Rosetta would give you 70-80% of the performance of native apps. The numbers were made to sound impressive and Rosetta technology was hyped up. But dynamic or just-in-time cross compilation is nothing new and Rosetta is producing only (yes, only) 40-50% of native speed on the iMacs--the only production release Intel-based Mac to date.
I agree. When I upgraded from Panther to Tiger, I also did a fresh clean install and then re-downloaded and installed the apps I needed. You'll get better performance if you start from a clean system - guaranteed.matthew24 said:
Granted, its gonna take a bit more time, but I believe it will be worth it.
any luck so far? Just a few qns:hellodon said:
- "mid reinstall" - does it mean u r done with a clean install of the OSX Tiger and now installing iLife?
- are you installing iLife 06 or 05?
Sorry for the dumb questions.
MacTruck said:
come on. this is just an assumption. the OP is feeling down and this is all you've got to say?
I'm going to keep my PowerPC Mac's for along time to come and its gonna take ALOT of persuading to get me to switch to Intel.
Memory, memory and rosetta
My own new imac core 17" 512mb runs great with native apps, but once you start running rosetta apps things certainly get sticky... many things run fine, some, like the photoshop test elsewhere in these forums run real fast, but inexplicably, some random things run real slow... and when you're using rosetta then its not only the rosetta apps that get clunky.. it can even be the finder getting momentarily 'stuck' something i never saw on my ibook g3.
For what its worth, i've been poking around a lot seeing what people are saying left right and center...
Everyone who has 512 and is using rosetta apps complains a little or a lot about clunkyness... everyone who has 1G or 2G seems cool.
The only explantion would seem to be that rosetta sucks up memory and after all 512 aint a lot for photoshop....
I'm off out to buy another gig on monday... will keep you all posted.
My own new imac core 17" 512mb runs great with native apps, but once you start running rosetta apps things certainly get sticky... many things run fine, some, like the photoshop test elsewhere in these forums run real fast, but inexplicably, some random things run real slow... and when you're using rosetta then its not only the rosetta apps that get clunky.. it can even be the finder getting momentarily 'stuck' something i never saw on my ibook g3.
For what its worth, i've been poking around a lot seeing what people are saying left right and center...
Everyone who has 512 and is using rosetta apps complains a little or a lot about clunkyness... everyone who has 1G or 2G seems cool.
The only explantion would seem to be that rosetta sucks up memory and after all 512 aint a lot for photoshop....
I'm off out to buy another gig on monday... will keep you all posted.
Thanks BIGFIB, I think it has alot to do with the minimal ram - mine is comming soon and im going to test the hell out of it
Anyone that tries to run PPC apps on a Intel box with 512 MB will be disappointed. The overhead will be too much. I am going to have 2 GB from day one. It isn't that expensive to add yourself. Around $200 to max it out.
I will just chime in and say that repair permissions did once prove more helpful to fix my Mac problems than covering myself in vaseline and rolling around naked in the dirt, and that was after I did one of these import-all-my-settings-from-another-Mac installs. It was very slow, especially at starting some applications. Repair permissions fixed a bunch of screwed up permissions and made everything run smooth afterwards.
With this Intel iMac I would probably go the clean install route.
With this Intel iMac I would probably go the clean install route.
BornAgainMac said:
Sorry, but I think that's BS, the computer should come in a condition/configuration that is perfectly acceptable for daily use. You shouldn't have to spend hundreds of additional dollars to make it work.
I think the orginal poster should call Apple to try and resolve these problems.
MacSA said:
sorry it's not BS. maybe the computer SHOULD perform well with the standard ram. but enough people have seen dramatic improvements after adding 1 GB of ram. so it seems to be a simple fact of life: apple sells machines with too little ram.
calling apple will only be a waste of time. adding 1 GB or 2 GB of RAM is no issue at all, ram is dirt cheap now and it fixes the problem (most likely).