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I got a 20" for my parents and I love it. I helped them set it up a couple of days ago and it's brilliant. I can't fault it at all - my 12" brightness and contrast looks pathetic in comparison. I probably even prefer it over my 20" ACD. I was a bit concerned after the song and dance people had been making here over glossy screens, but personally I wouldn't hesitate buying one for myself. An iMac will probably be my next purchase when my powerbook gets too long in the tooth. It's obviously a very personal preference though.

Hey no problem (can't tell if that is sarcasm, i dont really care either way).

My problem with this is that all of a sudden Apple decides to chance pace and it is garnered as the best thing ever. Those people then completely ignore those who have complaints. They say "you just haven't used it, so you don't know."

Glossy is meant to make things pop for the consumer. The people who like shiny over saturated things. Comparing a 24" to my matte 24" LCD both calibrated in the same way, I can tell the print coming from the 24" is very over-saturated. This has been documented at dpreview as well. Now of course some will still like that, but not being able to consistently trust my display is not something I want to do.
 
web design & glossy

i am probably an exception for people in graphic & web design:

i like glossy more. i honestly don't think that matte screens are that much more color accurate - it's just that we've been used to them for so long that we've known how to accommodate for them.

after i calibrated my screen, colors on the glossy seem more accurate in regards to printing. (i'm going to get hammered for that statement, i know)

i do so print design, but the majority of what i do is for the web, and the reality is that most people are buying glossy screens these days, so i like to see what my web pages are going to look like on most people's screens.

i feel for the glossy haters, because i think the days of matte screens are numbered - not just on macs but on all pc's.
 
Apple blew it with this generation of iMac. There was no reason to change a perfectly good working design. They would have continued to sell more Macs than ever had the display remained the same. Instead, some potential customers have decided not to buy or upgrade.

The display is indeed a problem. No one was complaining about the display prior to the latest iMac. Now for every new owner who likes the AL Mac you find one other non-owner who hates the display and won't buy the machine. We didn't have this complaint in the white iMac era.

I'm sorry guy but I have to disagree with you. I have wanted a new Intel Mac since Apple released them but just couldn't push myself over the edge. The older matte 24" was jaw dropping for me but still was missing something and I wanted it for my living room. I just hated the Fisher Price toy white computer being part of my living room entertainment system. August 7th 2007 pushed me over the edge and Apple made the machine that opened up my wallet. I'm sitting here typing on this beautiful 24" 2.8 Ghz iMac and I am planning on hanging it on my wall in my living room as my full entertainment system.

In your mind Apple blew it because YOU'RE not happy but don't speak for the rest of us. Also Apple is not perfect because their vision for TV certainly seems to be failing but they have share holders to keep happy so the company should know what sells. The iMac has been selling so well Apple is barely keeping them in stock.
 
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In your mind Apple blew it because YOU'RE not happy but don't speak for the rest of us. Also Apple is not perfect because their vision for TV certainly seems to be failing but they have share holders to keep happy so the company should know what sells. The iMac has been selling so well Apple is barely keeping them in stock.

You should direct that to everyone attempting to push the "glossy is better" agenda. Also, the people who deny problems with their machines to protect the Apple image, that would work for them too.

In addition, I don't see where he attempted to generalize the opinion of the new iMac. He did offer a statistic, which I would say is pretty accurate. They could have offered a new iMac styled like it is now sans the glass. I personally wouldn't want to use my computer through a window which is the impression i get when on a new iMac.
 
Apple decides glossy, all the crazed Apple apologists proclaim: "Best ever!" "Great Apple, I love you!" "Everything just...pops!" "I don't know why everyone else is whining, you aren't their market!"

Typical crap. They could release the iTurd as the new iPod and everyone would say it is the best. "It smells like Steve Jobs himself!" :rolleyes:

Hey no problem (can't tell if that is sarcasm, i dont really care either way).

My problem with this is that all of a sudden Apple decides to chance pace and it is garnered as the best thing ever. Those people then completely ignore those who have complaints. They say "you just haven't used it, so you don't know."

Glossy is meant to make things pop for the consumer. The people who like shiny over saturated things. Comparing a 24" to my matte 24" LCD both calibrated in the same way, I can tell the print coming from the 24" is very over-saturated. This has been documented at dpreview as well. Now of course some will still like that, but not being able to consistently trust my display is not something I want to do.

You should direct that to everyone attempting to push the "glossy is better" agenda. Also, the people who deny problems with their machines to protect the Apple image, that would work for them too.

In addition, I don't see where he attempted to generalize the opinion of the new iMac. He did offer a statistic, which I would say is pretty accurate. They could have offered a new iMac styled like it is now sans the glass. I personally wouldn't want to use my computer through a window which is the impression i get when on a new iMac.

When did you get so bitter? You've been on this site for awhile now, and so have I and I feel like I would have noticed you being such a confrontational know-it-all by now. (It's not just this thread, you've been like this in every post I've read of yours in the last month or so). I've NEVER been an Apple apologist. I have long criticized Apple for the way they treat the mini, their lack of a midrange tower, the absurd pricing of their LCDs (although, they have come pretty far in that department), their poor judgment (in my opinion) in focusing on the iPod/iPhone over the Mac... just about everything. I was very leery of this glass over the LCD business. Then I went and looked at them side by side. Two factory default out of the box iMacs from each generation, in the same place at the same time and, for the normal person, I think Apple made the right call.

One thing I NEVER did was criticize other people's judgement about what Apple is doing or their products. I might hate the mini (or at least what Apple has done/failed to do with it) but there are thousands of people who think it's just the greatest machine they've ever seen. I might think the iPhone is an overpriced, piece of vendor locked crap, but if someone has one and they feel like it was worth every dollar they spent then great for them, it's not for me to decide that for them.

EVERYONE has said that this is going to make the iMac less suitable for design work. There's no question in that. The colors DO look over saturated. The 6-bit panel is not going to let you match colors perfectly. It's not a professional grade tool. But, for the rest of us, which probably account for 80%+ of the iMac market it's a nice product.

Your mocking of "consumers who like over saturated and shiny things" is just assinine. Some people (MOST people) aren't interested in perfectly realistic color accuracy. They want hyper realistic images that look great. It's not stupid of them to want something that LOOKS good even if it's not functionally the best possible solution. It's not stupid for them to want something that is visually exciting. If everyone was like you, we'd all drive station wagons that get 50mpg and had a 0-60 time of 15 seconds and use Dell's with Windows NT4. Ya, that's probably the most practical choice, but it's NOT the best answer for all of us.

Apple blew it with this generation of iMac. There was no reason to change a perfectly good working design. They would have continued to sell more Macs than ever had the display remained the same. Instead, some potential customers have decided not to buy or upgrade.

The display is indeed a problem. No one was complaining about the display prior to the latest iMac. Now for every new owner who likes the AL Mac you find one other non-owner who hates the display and won't buy the machine. We didn't have this complaint in the white iMac era.

No, YOU THINK Apple has blown it. I did NOT like the old iMac. I had an iMac G5 for about two weeks before I dumped it for a G4 mini, which was a pretty decent machine for it's time and price. The new iMac, though, is the first Mac I've been excited about since I bought my iBook in 2004. I'm willing to bet that the 50/50 split of iMac glossy screen haters is greatly out of proportion on this board. It's like taking the 1 in 5 posts about a machine are because it's broken as meaning that 20% of all those machines are defective. Normal people in the real world are going to like it, as long as they don't happen to have a bright light behind them.

Is it the best thing ever? It probably would have been safer to stick with the matte screens. No one was complaining, you're right. But no one was raving over it either. I think that the glossy screens will be decisive, but there WILL be people who love it along with those who hate it. Maybe Apple will offer a matte option at some point like they did for the MBP, but until then it is what it is, and MANY of you need to remember that your opinion isn't the final word on whether something is good or bad, and that even if someone is crazy enough to like something that a company who is famously successful for making products that people love that they're not "fanboys" or "Apple apologists".

Finally, for all of you who are SO concerned with color accuracy and the glossy display on the iMac, stop using LCDs. Go buy a high end 21" CRT monitor and calibrate it correctly so you can get your perfect color matched prints because you'll never get there with an LCD anyways. Then maybe the rest of us can get on enjoying, or at least making the best of, the new iMac.
 
Take another LOOK at the iMac 24" and understand what Apple is doing with it and what market they are going after. Haven't you noticed by now that Apple is working it's way into our living rooms with Apple TV and sharing music and videos from room to room. The new iMac was designed with the living room in mind. It's perfect all around home entertainment system. The glossy screen is excellent for gaming and movies.

I'm down with leaving this issue in the 'personal preference' bin as far as computer screens go, but I have to disagree that a glossy screen facilitates a move towards improved multimedia functionality. Problems with excessive reflection are exacerbated by viewing angles, which are impossible to avoid in many living room situations. When I bought our LCD TV, I specifically avoided glossy screens precisely because our apartment is shaped in such a way that viewing angles are unavoidable (The thoughtless builders in the 18th century just didn't plan ahead:)). Even in my last house in the US, the living room was built around the fireplace, and we had to put the TV in a weird place. Unless one has a big new house with a separate room designed for home theater, one would be better served having a TV that can be seen comfortably from a decent range of seats, regardless of the lighting situation. Just try watching "Out of the Past" or another great film noir picture on a glossy screen at an angle...
 
Glare not the problem here.....

I've got a 24" iMac, It and the G4 it replaced are/were situated on a workstation facing a wall. The wall behind the computer is illuminated via a strip light, and the reflected light from that wall lights the rest of the room. So glare isn't a problem for me because there are no light sources behind my back to reflect. Depending in the angle of the screen I can see a bit of a mirror reflection but that is easily remedied by tilting the screen down a bit.

I can see how glare would be a problem in the showroom or when the computer is used in an office next to a window, but those aren't exactly the best environment for doing photo editing, which is the primary reason I upgraded. But glare wil simply not an issue unless there are windows or light sources behind your back when you use it, and that's really not a situation that is ideal for critical editing anyway. The problem will be that the photos edited on the iMac will probably not look nearly as good on most other screens.

Getting on the net in 1994 prompted me to get my first Mac for home. It was the first PPC, the 6100 "pizza box" with the 14" Studio monitor with build-in speakers. Switching to digital photography in 2001 drove the decision to upgrade to the G4 AGP again with a 17" CRT Studio monitor which was self calibrating. I feel this switch to the iMac is the same type of quantum leap. Stylistically its pretty much timeless. 10 years from now people will still have them around if for nothing else to play music or watch videos.

I am using Canon DPP for processing my RAW images then converting to TIFF for editing in Photoshop 7. That workflow as dictated by the limitations of the G4 but functionally met my needs for the small batches of photos. But faced with the task of editing 700 vacation photos, I decided it was time to bite the bullet and upgrade. Funny thing was that I hadn't been closely following the new models because I've got a G5 tower w. 23" cinema at work and wasn't even aware there was a new model!

I'll probably upgrade to CS, which I do use at work, but the stunning comparison of my old DPP / Photoshop workflow on the G4 vs the iMac doesn't make it a huge priority. For example, batch converting the RAW files to TIFF or JPG which took about a minute per file on the G4 is done in about 5 sec. on the iMac. Opening an image in Photoshop directly from DPP which was even longer on the G4 also occurs in seconds. I'd been putting off editing the rest of the of the vacation photos pending the arrival of the iMac and was glad I did. It took about 1/10th the time it would have to finish them. The "darkroom" side of digital photography will be fun again, so count me as a happy camper

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Hey everyone, my first post.

Very big apple fan.

I'm still holding out for a better and improved Macbook Pro (I know they can do better...I can wait).

Anyway, until apple release the new Macbook Pro - I'm going to buy the new imac - after seeing it - not as impressed as I thought I would be. The biggest worry is the glossy screen.

I am very surprised at the amount of people who say the gloss is not an issue - it's actually quite bad. You can live with it.

It's basically having a sheet of glass infront of the screen.

Just imagine looking through a shop window, and that's the effect you get.

The demonstration I had was awful - lights, glare, reflection. If you live in the dark, and very limited to light it's perfect.

The gloss effect is a serious defect in the design.

The 20" model looks about right, the 24" model just looks ugly - and cheap.

Not as stunning as I was hoping.
 
Hey everyone, my first post.

Very big apple fan.

I'm still holding out for a better and improved Macbook Pro (I know they can do better...I can wait).

Anyway, until apple release the new Macbook Pro - I'm going to buy the new imac - after seeing it - not as impressed as I thought I would be. The biggest worry is the glossy screen.

I am very surprised at the amount of people who say the gloss is not an issue - it's actually quite bad. You can live with it.

It's basically having a sheet of glass infront of the screen.

Just imagine looking through a shop window, and that's the effect you get.

The demonstration I had was awful - lights, glare, reflection. If you live in the dark, and very limited to light it's perfect.

The gloss effect is a serious defect in the design.

The 20" model looks about right, the 24" model just looks ugly - and cheap.

Not as stunning as I was hoping.


yep. I walked away after seeing it in person.
 
I had some concerns about the glossy image before I bought my 20" imac. In fcat I strongly considered getting an older one, but the price difference did not sit well with me. I do notice the TN colour shift a bit if I view from an angle, but in my opinion this is a minor quibble. It reminds me, to some degree, of my old emac, which had various screen quibbles inlcluding a colour shift at angles. I remember obsessing about that but then I got onto enjoying video editing ect. As to the glossy issue. After one day it's a total non issue for me. My office has overhead lighting, and even with those on it does not bother me. And for the added benefit of rich colour I think they are great. I have edited video for years, and done commercial color correction in photoshop, and the truth is between devices colour always shifts. That's why we have proof prints for press and monitors for video.
 
Walked into the Apple store last PM and had my first interaction with the new iMacs. The store is bright and the reflections were all over the place, but after moving up close the glare was not a problem. If you set up your computer facing a huge picture window, you may have issues, but I suspect that in most rooms and in my office it will be a non-issue. I thought the new design was beautiful and elegant. The 24 inch definitely trumped the 20 inch. I thought the new design was excellent, glossy screen and all. Now I'm just going to wait for Leopard and I will likely pull the trigger.:)
 
I have asked this question before and nobody seems to have an answer (because they know there's no defense) but what have all the graphics and photo pro's been doing in the Windows world where there's barely and I mean barely a choice of laptops without a glossy screen. Suddenly after all these years Apple is the absolute last company to incorporate glossy into their LCD's and several (although a small mass) people act like Apple was the first and how dare they.
So my question again is what have all the Windows world pros been doing with all the glossy's forced upon them? If the answer is they have been using desktop LCD matte panels and tower computers then the same can simply be done in the Mac world as well.

An earlier poster said that he can't see why the people who own the new iMac like the glossy? Well it's because our eyes see differently then yours. Same goes for when you see someone with an ugly car and wonder why would they buy something like that? Their eyes see differently.

For the last time, it's unrealistic to try and judge a glossy screen for the home in a retail store that designed like a warehouse with dozens of overhead florescent tubes glaring down upon the store. Unless the environment you are going to use it in is that same atmosphere that's stupid to judge it that way.

I'm not "accepting" the glossy as Apple can do no wrong, but rather I actually prefer it. I am buying a MBP in October and it will definitely be a glossy screen, I hate the washed out matte finish.

Also LCD's rather matte or glossy are not ideal for graphics and photo pros. Who said they were? When computers starting using matte LCD's the first people to complain saying that LCD's would hurt the work they do because of lack of color accuracy were graphics designers and photo pros. Now they somehow love the matte LCD's. Complainers, complainers. :p
 
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I had some concerns about the glossy image before I bought my 20" imac. In fcat I strongly considered getting an older one, but the price difference did not sit well with me. I do notice the TN colour shift a bit if I view from an angle, but in my opinion this is a minor quibble. It reminds me, to some degree, of my old emac, which had various screen quibbles inlcluding a colour shift at angles. I remember obsessing about that but then I got onto enjoying video editing ect. As to the glossy issue. After one day it's a total non issue for me. My office has overhead lighting, and even with those on it does not bother me. And for the added benefit of rich colour I think they are great. I have edited video for years, and done commercial color correction in photoshop, and the truth is between devices colour always shifts. That's why we have proof prints for press and monitors for video.

Do you run Final Cut Studio/Motion on your new imac? I'm looking to do this....how does this run?
 
Really? Lets see...


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Oh yeah, I see what you mean. Big difference. lol

Honest, fresh from the apple store today - first impressions 20" model looks just right - but the 24" model looks too big - it's clunky, and sort of has a toy feel about it....and of course the gloss...I think the gloss effect looks worse on the bigger model.
 
Honest, fresh from the apple store today - first impressions 20" model looks just right - but the 24" model looks too big - it's clunky, and sort of has a toy feel about it....and of course the gloss...I think the gloss effect looks worse on the bigger model.

Oh pipe down, they look exactly the same aesthetic wise, you are just trying to start something. :rolleyes:
 
Oh pipe down, they look exactly the same aesthetic wise, you are just trying to start something. :rolleyes:

c'mon...and you're not willing to admit that you're just a tiny, little, eensy-weensy bit overprotective of your investement?? As if this guy's (rather calm) post is so offensive...as if he can't believe that the giganto-iMacs look a little too big.

I'm really happy that you love your new iMac--they do look sharp in the store--but since this is clearly a matter of personal taste, can we let it go already??
 
I was strictly against glossy, but as I wanted to have a Mac and the iMac was very attempting, I bought the 24" model.
I have to say that I was right about the disadvantages of glossy display. It can be really annoying. What bothers me most is when the sun is shining into my room and illuminating me. Than it serves more as a mirror than a good screen. The 23" ACD was definitely better in those cases, even though it was not perfect then. The light is coming from the side btw.
Most of the day I keep my sunblind closed in order to not get distracted. But when there are no distracting lights then the screen is ok. At first I felt being more exausted after working with it. Which was the same way i felt when I was working with the crt at work using microsoft cleartype. (Switching off cleartype did help me in that case).
So my fazit is, it is the best computer I ever had, and the colors look damn nice, but I would switch to matte if it would be available. Maybe someone will create a new border that one can use instead of the class.
Btw. I looked at an older CRT and it was no way to be glossy! It looked more matte than the iMac.
 
An earlier poster said that he can't see why the people who own the new iMac like the glossy? Well it's because our eyes see differently then yours.

Thats it! Now I remember...

Here’s to the crazy ones.
The misfits.
The rebels.
The troublemakers.
The round pegs in the square holes.
The ones who see things differently.
They’re not fond of rules.
And they have no respect for the status quo.
You can praise them, disagree with them, quote them,
disbelieve them, glorify or vilify them.
About the only thing you can't do,is ignore them;
Because they change things
They push the human race forward
While some see them as the crazy ones,
we see genius.
Because the people who are crazy enough to think
they can change the world,
are the ones who do.

Btw, I too was in the Apple store, several times in fact. Honestly, I could see some reflections in the iMac displays - at least from a distance. But I could see the same amount of reflections (if not even more so) from the palpable beads of sweat pouring down customer's foreheads as they reached deep into their wallets and coughed up major amounts cash to buy these things. My God, it was shinny.
 
o.o;

Look, some people like matte and some people like glossy.

I'm like on my computer 24/7; I prefer Matte cause Glossy burns my eyes.
 
Please ignore any complaints about a glossy screen from users on here who do not even own these iMacs. Some of them are basing their judgement off of pictures, jealousy of the fact they don't have one, or just off to make drama. I have no glare problems at all. Go look at this thing in person, and you wont ask any more question, you will just buy one.
Some of us would disagree with you concerning the new glossy screens. Both my wife and I do not like them at all. We've tried them in three different stores for about a 30 minutes to an hour each time.

Some like the new screens. That's fantastic. Good for them.

But others prefer matte screens. Please don't assume that this is due to only looking at the web site, jealousy, or that we want to make a drama. It's simply a matter of personal preference.

Here's hoping that Apple makes a matte screen an option for the iMacs in the future.
 
Do you run Final Cut Studio/Motion on your new imac? I'm looking to do this....how does this run?

It runs great. I am editing a big project right now of a concert and it is smooth. Motion also runs very nice ffor my needs. I previously to use a 17" core duo with an external monitor but I prefere the single 20"-it's easier on my neck, rather than constantly shifting my head. The glossy screen is a plus for me.
 
Imac glossy display,

Here is a definitive review, I just got my 24 inch imac the other day and have set it up nicely in my room, the screen has not bothered me at all, and to be honest i didnt even notice it, its really good for picking out bits of dust becaust the glass (more like acrylic) is located a few mm in front of the LCD any bits of dust are easily seen therefore easily removed with the given cloth. I've compared the screen from daytime and nighttime and havent had any problems with it. One thing I would say about reviewing it at the apple store is that the apple store is very bright inside and the ceiling lights will definitely reflect off the screen, you wonte get that at home or in the work.
 
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