iMac is a RIP OFF

[Meever]

I would friggen kill for a 6970 quality GPU! I'm rocking a 330m on my MBP at the moment and it's depressing XD

6970 gets like 19k in 3dmark06 it runs almost all games except Crysis and Metro2033 on max AT 1080p.

I don't really see the need for desktop GPUs at this point. Especially on a product that's being pitched towards casual consumers and graphic designers.

Apple is thinking about games now but they're not exactly Alienware or Sanger. It's not their top priority.

 

[Michaelgtrusa]

The 24" were a rip off, not so much now.

 

[Horus]

I'd like to point out that the next best AIO is the HP TouchSmart 610 Quad
i7-880 (3.06GHz)
8GB DDR3 (1066MHz)
2TB (7200 rpm)
Radeon HD 5570
$2,378.98

21.5-inch iMac
2.7GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5
8GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM
2TB SATA Drive
Radeon HD 6770M
$1,849.00

I can't believe Mac users are such retard that they pay -$529.98 in Apple tax...

No, this is the next best AIO

It clearly shows how the new iMac is a Rip off...

 

[Hastings101]

Why are they putting mobile GPU's in a desktop? Why is there only an i5 option? Those exact same GPU's are what they should have put in the 15 and 17 MBPs. Mac is needs to up the ante a bit in their products if they want to compete with other rigs out there that are cheaper and have way better stuff.

Don't think your getting ripped off? I just built a myself a sandybridge desktop with 4gs of them a 6750 for 500$, I'll go buy a 720 monitor for $100 and I'm still paying half than what those jackals want. BTW its going to be a hackintosh ; )

Maybe if apple wasn't burning all their money in advertising they could actually build us better more affordable macs.

Hay buddy, the iMac is a giant laptop. That's all it is. The Mac Pro is the desktop line. Rsrch b4 u buyz

 

[robzr]

You also get picture-in-picture, enough inputs to blow your mind, and a card reader.

You should see it when it is on sale for just under $800. That might be too much effort for some. I wonder if iSuppli has looked into it. What is left? R&D? Marketing?

When was the last Cinema Display commercial, etc.?

You're quoting a sale price vs. a regular price? Seriously?

The Apple display is made out of aluminum & glass, has a Magsafe charger built in, a subwoofer and stereo speakers of surprisingly high sound quality, an iSight camera & microphone. Let me guess - you don't care about aluminum. Guess what, you're not Apples target market then. Go complain somewhere else.

I'm glad I don't want to hook up my VCR with composite video inputs to my $1000 monitor, otherwise I sure would be upset at Apple for making those design choices.

And are you seriously quoting a 8-in-1 card reader as a benefit of much use? Every modern mac with a mini-displayport also has SDHC/SDXC out, and the 10% of users who need something else already have a high performance cf reader. I guess Apple figured they didn't need to cater to those with MemoryStick

You know why Dell included that? Because it's cheap and easy. Thats their style. Not Apples.

Rob

 

[iSayuSay]

No, this is the next best AIO

It clearly shows how the new iMac is a Rip off...

Wow yeah .. sorry but that all-in-one Asus you showed us looks fugly

Why are they putting mobile GPU's in a desktop? Why is there only an i5 option? Those exact same GPU's are what they should have put in the 15 and 17 MBPs. Mac is needs to up the ante a bit in their products if they want to compete with other rigs out there that are cheaper and have way better stuff.

Don't think your getting ripped off? I just built a myself a sandybridge desktop with 4gs of them a 6750 for 500$, I'll go buy a 720 monitor for $100 and I'm still paying half than what those jackals want. BTW its going to be a hackintosh ; )

Maybe if apple wasn't burning all their money in advertising they could actually build us better more affordable macs.

You only care about performance and don't mind of the looks? Don't buy iMac then .. build your own PC and sure you get more bang for your bucks

Just don't cry back if your built PC worth nothing in next 4 or 5 years. While Mac still worth 30 - 40% of its price in 5 years time

I did the same, I built $1000 CPU in 2005, now it's not worth more than $100. So sorry I don't think Mac computers as rip-off. Apple is the best investment in computer world. Sure they sucks big time over 5 years, but still retain much better value than PC counterparts

 

[neko girl]

Let's hear all the hardware in your custom build that you only paid $500 for....interested.

What are the chances that his copy of Windows is pirated? People never factor that cost in in these discussions.

 

[Hastings101]

What are the chances that his copy of Windows is pirated? People never factor that cost in in these discussions.

Maybe they already have a Windows key sitting around and haven't used it yet?

 

[Tminusg]

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Man this thread is pointless. You cant build a imac comparison for less then what an imac costs. The topic of this thread should ask why you cant get a mac spec'ed like the imac without the screen. Some people (like me) don't want the screen and dont care about the resolution. My 32" off brand 1080p computer display is more than enough. It's just that apple doesnt care, they'll offer me a mac pro or mac mini. Both are laughable to me since 2000$+ for a computer is just insane for my needs and 700$ for a outdated terrible spec'ed (beautiful designed) machine is not a option for the money. So I said it before like many others have, update the mini!!! Or shamefully I'll have to buy a pc and pretend its sweet or make my own build, which wont have even close to an appealing case as the mini or mac pro and wont boot osx. Life sucks lol

Edit-ya lets not forget the resale value of pc's to macs. Obviously they're not a rip off

 

[zap2]

Form Factor is key, people forget the R&D the iMac uses, plus the hardware they use for heat reasons. The mobile CPUs are very good for mobile, and decent compared to desktop ones. The CPUs are out of this world. Top notch there.

And the little extra make the iMac a great all in one machine. If you want a mid range tower, then Apple isn't really looking to cater to you. The Mac mini is useable for so many, it covers the low end "just give me anything" people and more. With iX chips inside, it will be a beast again. I'd be impressed if anyone built an "iMac killer" as that would require an all in one form factor.

Maybe they already have a Windows key sitting around and haven't used it yet?

Still paided for it at some point.

 

[Kristenn]

Here go the idiots comparing an All-in-One computer to a Tower again

Apples and oranges.

Seriously guys, THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING!

I have NEVER seen an AIO computer with a desktop GPU. I have NEVER seen an AIO with better value for money over an iMac EVER.

Comparing an AIO to a tower ESPECIALLY at price points is like comparing a laptop to a tower. It doesn't make ANY sense. The only thing comparable with iMac Tower is that both are STATIONARY computers.

STOP BEING STUPID!


Sorry but geez. I'm so SICK of seeing this!

 

[ezekielrage_99]

Reality check:
Have you seen laptops with 6970m?

They are the same thickness as the iMac
The 6970M uses 100watt alone, the whole MBP 17 inch uses 95watt including disk, screen, cpu, gpu, memory controllers, cooling, etc... (hope you got it)


The 6970m is a huge upgrade from earlier models, and I think we have had the hugest iMac upgrade for several years this revision!

Here is a comparison between other cards thats been used in iMacs and MBPs the last few years:

+1

Some here understands how the newer AMD 6XXXM are killer GPUs. I got the new Alienware for work specifically for that reason, it flys (minus Windows and with Linux).

They are quick for a mobile graphics chipset, again I think it's a very good thing they didn't sink an Intel 3000 HD into the lower end iMac (which I thought they may have done).

27" display, Quad Core i5 and AMD 6XXXM is a very decent update for most people. Personally for my use I need a proper desktop GPU so an iMac would not be a good choice for my professional use but depending on the benchmarks I am very much considering a new iMac for home.

For a few games, surfing for porno, flamebaiting threads, DVDs I think the new iMac would be a good choice, while for hardcore gamer, 3D graphics a custom build will be the way to go.

Not to add fuel to the "$500" fire, but nVidia did post some specs/instructions on how to build a cheap'n'fast gaming system, it's no Mac but interesting none the less

Still people have to remember if you don't like it don't support Steve

 

[Ubuntu]

Maybe they already have a Windows key sitting around and haven't used it yet?

Well that's possible but how does that weigh into the debate? In a strict comparison the poster you quoted is right to say that people often forget to include the cost of the operating system which in this case for Mac is about £30 and for Windows about £100+. Some people might have a spare Windows key lying around, but that's not the point.

 

[AlienSexGod]

This is coming from someone that clearly doesn't have the mental capacity to see past the Mac line of products - go figure. Just because someone has an opinion that differs from your own, doesn't mean they are narrow minded - you're just ignorant.

If they released a vibrating paper weight with an Apple logo, would you defend it to no end? I'm guessing so.... for a low low price of 1200$

Mate you really are ignorant and should refrain from suggesting other's mental capacity is lacking when your own mentality is arguably retarded. The iMacs have used mobile ram for years, the size and low power of the sexy one piece aluminium iMac requires a mobile GPU that smokes 99% of GPU's in any one's desktop. They use a cranking DESKTOP CPU in a Sandy Bridge i7. Go complain to your parent's that your gene's weren't upgraded in your family line and hang with people like the dummy OP who thinks his pc in a noisy crappy plastic box & $100 monitor is comparable!

To be honest guys the Dell 27" screen with the same IPS panel as about $600 discounted (albeit in a plain plastic case) so if you do add stuff up be real with the pricing, but remember to add $250 for a high end Aluminum PC case which still will be fugly along with $100 for a quality power supply not the usual PC rubbish. Add $150 for Win 7 Pro OEM (those most of you complained probably use pirated OS ... what happens when it breaks eh?)

At the end of the day you do pay more with Apple to look & feel sexy but you pay a LOT more to drive a Mercedes that does the same speed and things that a run of the mill USA sedan does. I do dislike USA cars however except for the last Pontiac GTO which actually was Australian designed and made

In that light Apple's are cheaper than orange's

 

[G4er?]

It's not so much what's in it as what's it in. I want my 2 hard drives and optical drive internal but I also want to be able to use the monitor I already have.
The iMac has more than enough horse power for what I do. I just don't want an all in one and I don't want a bunch of external devices.

Come on Apple, I'm not asking for much.

 

[murrayE]

... I bought the following computer:

• 3.4GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7
• 4GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
• 2TB Serial ATA Drive+256GB SSD
• AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2GB GDDR5....

How's the noise level under various conditions? (Or haven't you received your new iMac yet?)

 

[jduffy]

Why are they putting mobile GPU's in a desktop? Why is there only an i5 option? Those exact same GPU's are what they should have put in the 15 and 17 MBPs. Mac is needs to up the ante a bit in their products if they want to compete with other rigs out there that are cheaper and have way better stuff.

Don't think your getting ripped off? I just built a myself a sandybridge desktop with 4gs of them a 6750 for 500$, I'll go buy a 720 monitor for $100 and I'm still paying half than what those jackals want. BTW its going to be a hackintosh ; )

Maybe if apple wasn't burning all their money in advertising they could actually build us better more affordable macs.

That's great for you. I considered it, but I really like that I freed up a heck of a lot of desktop space with the new iMac and got rid of the home-built Windows7 desktop system I was using. I really like the new iMac. So did I pay more? Sure, but I don't care because I wanted the design as much as the performance and this thing screams on most task including running VMware Fusion and Windows Virtual Machines.

I don't feel ripped off at all and I love the Apple support. So, to each his own.

 

[kfscoll]

... I bought the following computer:

• 3.4GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7
• 4GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
• 2TB Serial ATA Drive+256GB SSD
• AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2GB GDDR5....

How's the noise level under various conditions? (Or haven't you received your new iMac yet?)

I won't get it for (Apple says) 4-6 weeks. Hopefully they're under-promising and they'll over-deliver.

 

[CaoCao]

The iMac has the most powerful SNB CPU ATM and the second most powerful mobile GPU, I think we can safely say Apple is giving the iMac good care.

 

[robzr]

Why are they putting mobile GPU's in a desktop? Why is there only an i5 option? Those exact same GPU's are what they should have put in the 15 and 17 MBPs. Mac is needs to up the ante a bit in their products if they want to compete with other rigs out there that are cheaper and have way better stuff.

Don't think your getting ripped off? I just built a myself a sandybridge desktop with 4gs of them a 6750 for 500$, I'll go buy a 720 monitor for $100 and I'm still paying half than what those jackals want. BTW its going to be a hackintosh ; )

Maybe if apple wasn't burning all their money in advertising they could actually build us better more affordable macs.

Because "Mobile GPU" is an arbitrary distinction; which usually means a low power GPU. Saying "Mobile" is conventional nomenclature; ie PC phrasing. Apple designed the iMac (and Mac Mini) with small form factor, low noise and low energy consumption being high priorities - in the PC world (90% of workstations), those design goals are usually only associated with Mobile computers. Apple designers and engineers designed the iMac with different priorities in mind than PC designers. Aesthetics, ergonomics and subtle advantages like low fan noise, low power consumption, not getting your knuckles cooked by the exhaust when the whole system is right in front of you; those are things Apple prioritizes. In the end, because of those design choices, you end up paying a premium for Apple products of a given performance point.

In short; because they are refined.

Rob

 

[Hexley]

Because of case design limitations and power consumption targets Apple cannot offer really high-end mobile GPUs in their notebooks nor can they pack in desktop GPUs in their iMacs.

Personally I would not mind an iMac twice as thick as the one we have right now if it allowed for a desktop GPU, double the number of memory slots and user upgradeable HDD & SSD.

As for Macbook Pros double the thickness or the weight... screw that the current form factor is heavy-enough.

 

[neko girl]

Still paided for it at some point.

Comparing your Windows XP setup as something cutting edge now?

 

[cimby06]

I won't get it for (Apple says) 4-6 weeks. Hopefully they're under-promising and they'll over-deliver.

I'm right there with you. I ordered pretty much the same configuration you did, except only a 1TB HDD. Says my ship date is June 15th and will arrive on the 17th. I REALLY hope it is faster then that. I have a Windows machine that I built about 5 years ago that needs to stop taking up space on my floor!!!

 

[paulrbeers]

double the number of memory slots and

They already have 4?!?! You want 8?!?! That seems a bit over kill don't you think?

 

[JeepGuy]

They already have 4?!?! You want 8?!?! That seems a bit over kill don't you think?

6 would have been good, it works better in triple channel matched sets.