iMac is a RIP OFF

[zap2]

Mate you really are ignorant and should refrain from suggesting other's mental capacity is lacking when your own mentality is arguably retarded.

Thats they way to go, criticize then do the exact same thing!

Comparing your Windows XP setup as something cutting edge now?

No, I'm not. In fact I recently took XP off my laptop(in the form of a VM). No reason to call someone out with knowing all the facts.

(Also I would say XP is a fine OS, not quite as sharp as 7 or OS X, but its a good OS for lower end hardware)

 

[kfscoll]

6 would have been good, it works better in triple channel matched sets.

Not true. None of the Cougar Point chipsets that have been released to date (H67, P67, Z68) support triple-channel memory.

 

[JeepGuy]

Not true. None of the Cougar Point chipsets that have been released to date (H67, P67, Z68) support triple-channel memory.

Your right it's dual channel.

 

[robzr]

Because of case design limitations and power consumption targets Apple cannot offer really high-end mobile GPUs in their notebooks nor can they pack in desktop GPUs in their iMacs.

Personally I would not mind an iMac twice as thick as the one we have right now if it allowed for a desktop GPU, double the number of memory slots and user upgradeable HDD & SSD.

And you would be in a tiny fraction of potential mac owners who feel that way. Buy a Mac Pro, or buy a PC - you're not the target market for an iMac.

Apple doesn't cater to hardcore gamers, and professional graphics folks can usually afford a Mac Pro. iMacs are for the rest of us.

Rob

 

[AlienSexGod]

Thats they way to go, criticize then do the exact same thing!

Hey Zappy like others your comparisons are incomparable. I displayed very little ignorance and no retardation. If you are to criticise please compare Apple's with Apple's not Apple's with Unicorns!

 

[Hellhammer]

Not true. None of the Cougar Point chipsets that have been released to date (H67, P67, Z68) support triple-channel memory.

Plus the IMC only supports up to two DIMMs per channel so four is the maximum amount of slots (two channels and two DIMMs per channel). This same applies to Ivy Bridge.

 

[G4er?]

And you would be in a tiny fraction of potential mac owners who feel that way. Buy a Mac Pro, or buy a PC - you're not the target market for an iMac.
Rob

There are a lot of us that don't fit into the target market of the iMac. But we also don't fit into the tarket market of the Mac Pro.

Apple needs a mid sized desktop without a built monitor for the Mac users like us.

 

[pompidom]

There are a lot of us that don't fit into the target market of the iMac. But we also don't fit into the tarket market of the Mac Pro.

Apple needs a mid sized desktop without a built monitor for the Mac users like us.

It would make the switch to mac a lot easier for me. One can hope ofcourse, but I don't think it will happen.

 

[hmg]

To the people unhappy with the inclusion of a mobile GPU in the iMac

1. How many of you pay the household electricity bill?
2. Do you know (or care) how your local provider generates electricity?

Have you looked at the tear-downs? Where is the space for a desktop GPU and it's cooling?

When a company designs an all-in-one computer it can do it in (effectively) 2 ways:
1. Design for a performance spec sheet, not caring about heat, noise or power consumption.
2. Design it properly taking into account heat, noise, power consumption and performance and visual design.

Enjoy your meal.

 

[shenfrey]

They are expensive yes, but you need to think about it. Look at the monitor you are getting, a fantastic LED & IPS glossy screen, by far the best monitors you can buy, which include hardware built in to it. Yes its mobile, but what do you expect? Apple don't feel they need a separate box like PC, apple is elegance, simplicity and functionality. No your not gonna be playing Crysis 2 on very high settings on this thing, but these are not really made for gaming for the most part, they are made to be give the best browsing experience, the best productive experience and the best media entertainment experience.

If you want hexacores and 580s in SLI, go build your own and enjoy wrestling with it to beable to get it to work right, and even when it is working right expect it to play up often.

Imacs, macbooks, mac minis, they are all machines that grant peace of mind, yes they have problems but they are far and away less problematic then pcs. Why? Apple controls everything, they build the hardware and the software and so you can be sure you have garenteed compatibility. Yes they are expensive, but as I said, you really do get what you pay for it. An extremely high quality and pleasant experience.

So chillax dude.

 

[CrAkD]

Good luck getting a sandy bridge Hackintosh working right now. Not possible yet.

 

[Hellhammer]

Good luck getting a sandy bridge Hackintosh working right now. Not possible yet.

Been possible for four months already. Hackintoshes had Sandy Bridge before any real Mac.

http://tonymacx86.blogspot.com/2011/01/intels-new-sandy-bridge-and-mac-os-x.html

 

[robzr]

There are a lot of us that don't fit into the target market of the iMac. But we also don't fit into the tarket market of the Mac Pro.

Apple needs a mid sized desktop without a built monitor for the Mac users like us.

I don't think Apple has deemed you folks to be a market they are interested in, maybe because there are too few, or maybe because most gamers have a different set of priorities than the typical Apple crowd, maybe just because Steve Jobs doesn't care about games who knows....

But seriously I think the Mac Pro is what you are asking for. It has 8 full size DIMM slots, the iMac has 4 SO-DIMM. It has room for 4 hard drives, 2 optical drives, and 3 expansion slots. By PC standards thats a mid size case. I have a PC case that has room for 8 hard drives, 3 optical drives and 6-8 expansion slots. The reason the Mac Pro is so large is because of the heatsinking, ducting and fans required to make such a powerful machine so quiet. Take a look:

http://www.apple.com/macpro/design.html#expansion

If you've had the pleasure to work on one, the build quality is top notch. Thats why they are so expensive. And actually if you spec out a comparably spec'd high end HP or something comparable in the $6-10k price range you won't find much of a price difference. So even the idea that a Mac Pro is far more expensive than a comparable PC is myth.

But anyways, if you want full size GPU, lots of RAM slots, maybe dual CPUs - then you ARE the target audience for the Mac Pro. The fact that you don't want to pay for it (or can't afford it), just means you're not

Rob

PS - I'd love one but I can't realistically afford it either. I love Apple gear and don't mind paying Apple prices as much as it hurts sometimes, I think it's good value, but that's not to say it is cheap. Value and price or totally different.

 

[Lord Appleseed]

Oh wow, look at how nice people are in here....

I dont see how the iMac is a rip off.
It contains a 1000$ screen and the rest is the hardware.

 

[G4er?]

There are a lot of us that don't fit into the target market of the iMac. But we also don't fit into the tarket market of the Mac Pro.
Apple needs a mid sized desktop without a built monitor for the Mac users like us.

It would make the switch to mac a lot easier for me. One can hope of course, but I don't think it will happen.

After 18 years of Mac I'm considering switching the other way because of it.

I'll answer here about the Mac Pro. Overkill for me. I admit it. I don't need that much computer. I certainly don't want a computer that size. I also don't want to spend that much money just in order to get an easy to open computer case. I want a case with room for 2 hard drives and the optical drive. I do not like all in ones. I would take the iMac parts in a case 4 to 6 times the height of the mini that is easy to get into. Let me use the monitor I already have. I would pay $1500 for that kind of computer from Apple.

I'll take a bigger case where I'll never have a concern or worry about heat over the tinniest little thing Apple could manage to produce.

 

[rew4946]

I foolishly purchased a 27 i3 imac five weeks ago

I finally purchased a Imac, Sorry that I missed out on the i5 for the same price but no big loss that I would see anyway. I really enjoy using it to read these message boards and I wonder if mac users only talk about how big it is and really never use them much. Its seams to me that is all I use this one for. When I am done reading I will go back to my windows Vista Quad core and get some work done. I am not buying any more software for this Imac. I still use Office 97 and quickbooks 2000 so thats why I did not get Windows 7, Most of my old stuff will not work on it. I sure like the 27 inch screen and I see why $1000 of the price is the LED screen. Now that I have a Mac I will replace my HP with a new one. I will always use both Windows and Mac and Never really listen to the crap out of so many people who know everything. I never have computer problems since dos 6.2 or the apple IIE that I had. I guess some people twek computers till they quit and blame the computer or OS. I am sure this Imac will run fine for years to come as will my HP. I got my first computer around 1982 and learned Basic. Sure is easy now.

 

[robzr]

I finally purchased a Imac, Sorry that I missed out on the i5 for the same price but no big loss that I would see anyway. I really enjoy using it to read these message boards and I wonder if mac users only talk about how big it is and really never use them much. Its seams to me that is all I use this one for. When I am done reading I will go back to my windows Vista Quad core and get some work done. I am not buying any more software for this Imac. I still use Office 97 and quickbooks 2000 so thats why I did not get Windows 7, Most of my old stuff will not work on it. I sure like the 27 inch screen and I see why $1000 of the price is the LED screen. Now that I have a Mac I will replace my HP with a new one. I will always use both Windows and Mac and Never really listen to the crap out of so many people who know everything. I never have computer problems since dos 6.2 or the apple IIE that I had. I guess some people twek computers till they quit and blame the computer or OS. I am sure this Imac will run fine for years to come as will my HP. I got my first computer around 1982 and learned Basic. Sure is easy now.

Congrats on the most rambling, incoherent post in the thread. You know, Office and Quickbooks both have native Mac versions, so if that is you definition of work, it can be done on the Mac but you might have to upgrade to a version from the last five years or so. You can also run Windows in a VM for those rare programs that require windows. Windows 7, Vista, XP, ME, 95 or 3.1 which might be closer to your speed will all work.

If your point is that work cannot be done on a Mac then your an idiot for saying something so ignorant, but even a biggest idiot for buying a Mac if that's your attitude.

Rob

 

[scramble103]

true

i love imacs but they are a rip off.

for $1200 a computer these days should have 16gb of ram, a 2tb hard drive and an i7. i just spent 1500 on my imac and it has less than half the power of my friends $800 pc he bought last week.

 

[panzer06]

i love imacs but they are a rip off.

for $1200 a computer these days should have 16gb of ram, a 2tb hard drive and an i7. i just spent 1500 on my imac and it has less than half the power of my friends $800 pc he bought last week.

It's only a ripoff if you don't factor in OS X and the great display. I want the SSD + 2TB option and it comes in very very expensive but I prefer a Mac. Until Jobs retires (and perhaps not even then) I doubt we'll get what we what with an OS X based system from Apple.

For now you pay the price or you don't play.

Cheers,

 

[Zen0Jin]

i love imacs but they are a rip off.

for $1200 a computer these days should have 16gb of ram, a 2tb hard drive and an i7. i just spent 1500 on my imac and it has less than half the power of my friends $800 pc he bought last week.

Wow, how did your friend buy a 27" IPS LED Monitor for free?

 

[jellybean]

I couldn't give a flying felch how beefy the graphics are in my iMac because I have an Xbox for gaming, and I bought an iMac because I wanted an all-in-one to avoid the spaghetti jungle of cords which lives behind my brother's desktop PC. My iMac has ONE cable - the power cable - it runs Mac OS X which I much prefer over Windows, the multitouch gestures when used with a Magic Trackpad are fantastic, it's made out of metal and glass rather than creaky plastic, and it's specs are still plenty beefy enough when I need to do something a bit more heavy duty. To me this is the best £999 I've ever spent on a computer and anything but a rip off!

 

[cirus]

Two sides to every story

The imac is actually priced quite well. Nice screen etc. IT IS NOT A RIP OFF FOR MOST PEOPLE.

The problems are that it is an AIO and has all of the problems or an AOI.

Yep a 27 inch IPS screen may cost $1000 but I can reuse it in my next computer as well as many of the other perphirals (CD drive, hard drives, card reader, power supply, etc.).

Plus not everyone needs that 27 inch IPS screen. And apple does not have anything comparable without a 27 inch screen (the low end imac is well...low end, mac pro is overkill, and mac mini is underpowered). Some prefer smaller screens or would not want to spend that money on a screen.

If I, as a consumer don't appreciate certain details then yes, the setup can be a rip off.

 

[Stan Mikulenka]

Hi everybody,
the Mac Pro is for sure expensive & not in the 'average computer' league.
Here is my choice order of Mac Pro a few months back:

 

[rovex]

Hi everybody,
the Mac Pro is for sure expensive & not in the 'average computer' league.
Here is my choice order of Mac Pro a few months back:

LOL i hope you are just messing around, but even so who would make use of all the horsepower that the 12-core Mac Pro offers? And I'm not even talking about the upgrades possible.

 

[scramble103]

Wow, how did your friend buy a 27" IPS LED Monitor for free?

the $1200 imac does not come with a a 27 inch ipd led monitor... His $800 machine does have a 24 inch monitor that is much nicer than the 21.5 inch imac, so he wins there too. And with the click of a button he can turn his 60inch tv into his monitor without any cables, so he beats the 27incher anyway.