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[Mac32]

I think you’re bringing up valid points.

Good think you said this "Don't get me wrong as I think Apple makes a great product” otherwise... death.
Apple has its head up its ass, and the iMac Pro is proof of that. I’m not surprised they are downclocking CPUs, however it’s unbelievably stupid to need to do so when you’re paying big money to get that extra 10-20% performance gain.

Crucial has always been the number one go-to memory supplier for any apple hardware for over 10 years.

I’m sorry people are calling you a troll.... perhaps they too have the same head issue as apple.

I don't have the iMac Pro myself yet, but I find it pretty incredible that Apple shipped the iMac Pro without a proper graphics driver for Bootcamp. I mean, really?

The iMac Pro is a beautifully engineered machine, but IMO having a lower clock boost for the 8 core than the 10 core makes no sense. I see it as a cynical money-making scheme, ie. coaxing people to cough up money for an expensive CPU-upgrade. That said, iMac Pro is a great product, I only hope Apple will support it properly.

 

[ThatSandWyrm]

The only specs I've found, since Apple sometimes uses custom chips, is here on wikichip.



Mine is Micron.View attachment 747973

Mine is Micron as well.

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As I have stated in this this thread I am entitled to my own opinions. I don't need to provide data either. Do you have data to prove otherwise? You can do the research yourself and find out that there is validity to what I said in my original post. Hynix isn't the best memory and all I was saying is that Apple should use the best memory for the prices they charge. Again that is my opinion! As for my other posts on this forum they have all been factual and have nothing to do with an axe to grind with Apple or this thread!!

If you don't want people to subject your unsubstantiated opinions to criticism and fact-checking, then keep them to yourself. This is not a safe-space Mr. Snowflake.

 

[Fried Chicken]

Mine is Micron as well.
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If you don't want people to subject your unsubstantiated opinions to criticism and fact-checking, then keep them to yourself. This is not a safe-space Mr. Snowflake.

Forget safe-space; go against the grain of apple, and you're against a den of wolves.

The community should welcome this criticism, not shame it.

 

[Bryan Bowler]

Forget safe-space; go against the grain of apple, and you're against a den of wolves.

The community should welcome this criticism, not shame it.

Edit: Removed my own post because I realized I’m falling into the trap of feeding those with a history of stirring the pot. Also, bringing up outlandish threads that our hard-working mods had to shut down is not a good idea on my part. My apologies — I’ll stick to the topic at hand.

 

[floridaman]

Your opinions have been shot down and explained away, yet you keep stating the same things over and over again, especially regarding the memory Apple uses. You may want to ask Siri for a list of local hospitals so you can make an appointment for a psych eval.

floridaman, I've seen in the other threads that you were really worried that the start-up sequence was too long, and then you exchanged your iMac Pro for "screen issues" and now you're also worried about audio issues. Then in this thread, you're fretting about the quality of the RAM and CPU.

You should seriously consider returning the iMac Pro and getting your money back. Clearly this is not the machine for you.

Excuse me Bryan, I talked to Applecare about those issues and they said they weren't normal and recommended I return the machine. You spend over $6000 on a computer and shouldn't have to deal with issues such as bad screens, bad audio etc. I will decide what machine is for me and my post about the memory and the cpu's is my belief and I am entitled to that. I didn't post this thread to start a war but only to express my feelings which is 100% appropriate in a forum.
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Mine is Micron as well.
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If you don't want people to subject your unsubstantiated opinions to criticism and fact-checking, then keep them to yourself. This is not a safe-space Mr. Snowflake.

Is this a forum for discussion or a bash forum? God forbid if someone makes a statement about their opinion/beliefs!! Sorry ThatSandWyrm my posts don't qualify me as a snowflake but rather they are very observant as they should be for a machine with this price tag.

 

[Samuelsan2001]

Excuse me Bryan, I talked to Applecare about those issues and they said they weren't normal and recommended I return the machine. You spend over $6000 on a computer and shouldn't have to deal with issues such as bad screens, bad audio etc. I will decide what machine is for me and my post about the memory and the cpu's is my belief and I am entitled to that. I didn't post this thread to start a war but only to express my feelings which is 100% appropriate in a forum.
[doublepost=1516763162][/doublepost]Is this a forum for discussion or a bash forum? God forbid if someone makes a statement about their opinion/beliefs!! Sorry ThatSandWyrm my posts don't qualify me as a snowflake but rather they are very observant as they should be for a machine with this price tag.

Just because its an opinion doesn't mean its not wrong, you refuse to back up your "opinion" with any facts, and those refuting you have provided a plethora of facts and information in that refutation. You are entitled to your opinion we are entitled to dismiss it as nonsense when all the facts show it to be so.

 

[Fried Chicken]

And here's another person with a deep history of angst against the iMac Pro. You started a pretty ridiculous thread saying you could buy the exact same setup as a PC for half the price and then instantly started attacking people that questioned your idea. And you kept attacking increasingly more and more until the mods shut you down.

I don't quite get it. People are certainly free to post anything they want (as long as it is within the forum rules), but then they get super upset if others counter their view. "I'm entitled to an opinion" and "How dare you question my thoughts" are often the replies that are made. Again, this is a discussion forum. If you can't handle discussion about the comments you make, then you should create your own safe space by creating a one-way Blog.
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This is rich. This is rich like cream.

Of course you're entitled to an opinion and you can certainly post whatever you want. We are entitled to discuss the merits of what you're saying, which is why this is a discussion board.

It is my opinion that you have a hard time reading, have a bad memory, and/or have trouble with vocabulary based on the false statements you’re making about what I said previously, and previous threads.

 

[floridaman]

Just because its an opinion doesn't mean its not wrong, you refuse to back up your "opinion" with any facts, and those refuting you have provided a plethora of facts and information in that refutation. You are entitled to your opinion we are entitled to dismiss it as nonsense when all the facts show it to be so.

Actually what I stated isn't nonsense as you are stating here and not one person has provided any facts to refute what I said. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Additionally, what I stated about under clocking of the processors is factual based on professional reviews performed on the IMac Pro. Nobody wants to believe this is true when in fact it is. Read the reviews if you don't believe me. Also what I said about the memory holds water but many people have twisted what I said about the Hynix memory on this forum. Wording such as sub par is one example. I never said that. All I said is Hynix isn't a higher end of memory and not of great quality. Again this statement has been completely twisted by members on this forum. I also pre-ficed my post with a statement that said Apple makes great products but this is overlooked. I didn't post this thread to start a war yet many people have made some very harsh and uncalled for comments. You don't have to agree with what I posted nor does anyone else. Don't bash someone for posting their feelings and yes some factual information. Enough said for now and I can't wait to see the next round of responses to this post.

 

[FredT2]

Rather than another round, why not let this thread die in peace.

 

[ThatSandWyrm]

Forget safe-space; go against the grain of apple, and you're against a den of wolves.

The community should welcome this criticism, not shame it.

You want Apple criticism? I can offer plenty. I've even voiced my share on the Mac Pro and how Apple isn't properly articulating a use case for it that makes sense to non-experts (especially when they're calling their crappy new MacBooks "Pro" machines). But it's informed criticism, not unsubstantiated feeeeeeeelings that I somehow expect everyone to "respect" regardless of whether they're founded on anything real or not.
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Actually what I stated isn't nonsense as you are stating here and not one person has provided any facts to refute what I said. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Additionally, what I stated about under clocking of the processors is factual based on professional reviews performed on the IMac Pro. Nobody wants to believe this is true when in fact it is. Read the reviews if you don't believe me. Also what I said about the memory holds water but many people have twisted what I said about the Hynix memory on this forum. Wording such as sub par is one example. I never said that. All I said is Hynix isn't a higher end of memory and not of great quality. Again this statement has been completely twisted by members on this forum. I also pre-ficed my post with a statement that said Apple makes great products but this is overlooked. I didn't post this thread to start a war yet many people have made some very harsh and uncalled for comments. You don't have to agree with what I posted nor does anyone else. Don't bash someone for posting their feelings and yes some factual information. Enough said for now and I can't wait to see the next round of responses to this post.

1) Are the processors and Vega GPU of the iMP under-clocked? Yes. That's confirmed. Old news even. But you're working yourself up into a frenzy without considering WHY Apple did that. There are good reasons, like heat management that keeps the machine silent the majority of the time. Something that's VERY important to people who have been buying the Mac Pro for audio work specifically because of its lack of fan noise. I wasn't expecting the iMP to be silent under all but the heaviest loads, but I'm VERY VERY glad it is.

2) I and others have posted screen shots showing that our iMPs have Micron memory. Why you're so down on Hynix is beyond me, but ECC RAM is built to a high spec (because you're paying for reliability), and Apple has a very good record when it comes to the long-term reliability/durability of their machines. That's why the secondary market for Macs is so strong, and why I was able to sell my 2yo late-2015 iMac for a third of what I originally paid for it just a few days ago. SO you might just consider giving them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to putting together systems.

3) Welcome to the internet. If you don't like people criticising and picking apart your poorly formed opinions, and aren't prepared to defend them with facts, then don't share them. It's as simple as that.

 

[floridaman]

floridaman, I've seen in the other threads that you were really worried that the start-up sequence was too long, and then you exchanged your iMac Pro for "screen issues" and now you're also worried about audio issues. Then in this thread, you're fretting about the quality of the RAM and CPU.

You should seriously consider returning the iMac Pro and getting your money back. Clearly this is not the machine for you.

Bryan, obviously you can't accept the facts I have presented and what has been posted in another thread has nothing to do with my commentary in this thread but you are entitled to your opinion!!

 

[Fried Chicken]

You want Apple criticism? I can offer plenty. I've even voiced my share on the Mac Pro and how Apple isn't properly articulating a use case for it that makes sense to non-experts (especially when they're calling their crappy new MacBooks "Pro" machines). But it's informed criticism, not unsubstantiated feeeeeeeelings that I somehow expect everyone to "respect" regardless of whether they're founded on anything real or not.
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1) Are the processors and Vega GPU of the iMP under-clocked? Yes. That's confirmed. Old news even. But you're working yourself up into a frenzy without considering WHY Apple did that. There are good reasons, like heat management that keeps the machine silent the majority of the time. Something that's VERY important to people who have been buying the Mac Pro for audio work specifically because of its lack of fan noise. I wasn't expecting the iMP to be silent under all but the heaviest loads, but I'm VERY VERY glad it is.

This statement exactly demonstrates how apple has its head shoved so far up its own ass that they smell their **** and think it's roses.


Quoted from here:

What Apple has done is to 'spin' form over function as top-notch engineering for heat management. By designing too small an enclosure (very poor decision for heat removal) it then became necessary to use top-notch engineering to deal with the heat problem which would not exist if a proper-sized case had been used. And that would make the iMac Pro less svelte—and form takes precedence over function. The disappointing kicker is to realize that Apple is using downclocked (slower) CPUs because the faster ones would generate too much heat because the decision was made to make a too-small enclosure for the iMac Pro and/or not to size up the venting and fans. Gorgeous engineering visually (!), but impaired performance and non-upgradeable memory.

Why are people getting so worked up over this? Because this is exactly the type of crap that Steve Jobs was known to criticize in the Tech industry.

 

[Bryan Bowler]

Bryan, obviously you can't accept the facts I have presented and what has been posted in another thread has nothing to do with my commentary in this thread but you are entitled to your opinion!!

You’ve replied twice now to my same post. Perhaps you’ll quote my same post tomorrow for a third day in a row.

I’m curious though, can you please tell me one fact that you’ve made in this thread? Just one fact about the iMac Pro...

 

[floridaman]

You want Apple criticism? I can offer plenty. I've even voiced my share on the Mac Pro and how Apple isn't properly articulating a use case for it that makes sense to non-experts (especially when they're calling their crappy new MacBooks "Pro" machines). But it's informed criticism, not unsubstantiated feeeeeeeelings that I somehow expect everyone to "respect" regardless of whether they're founded on anything real or not.
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1) Are the processors and Vega GPU of the iMP under-clocked? Yes. That's confirmed. Old news even. But you're working yourself up into a frenzy without considering WHY Apple did that. There are good reasons, like heat management that keeps the machine silent the majority of the time. Something that's VERY important to people who have been buying the Mac Pro for audio work specifically because of its lack of fan noise. I wasn't expecting the iMP to be silent under all but the heaviest loads, but I'm VERY VERY glad it is.

2) I and others have posted screen shots showing that our iMPs have Micron memory. Why you're so down on Hynix is beyond me, but ECC RAM is built to a high spec (because you're paying for reliability), and Apple has a very good record when it comes to the long-term reliability/durability of their machines. That's why the secondary market for Macs is so strong, and why I was able to sell my 2yo late-2015 iMac for a third of what I originally paid for it just a few days ago. SO you might just consider giving them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to putting together systems.

3) Welcome to the internet. If you don't like people criticising and picking apart your poorly formed opinions, and aren't prepared to defend them with facts, then don't share them. It's as simple as that.

What I have learned is there are a lot of forum bullies here and you are one of them. I didn't work myself into a frenzy but everyone else did over my post. That is fine as everyone is entitled to participate in this discussion but to get personally attacked over a thread I started isn't necessary.

What is the definition of a poorly formed opinion?? By the way you might want to check your spelling since you brought up criticizing.
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You’ve replied twice now to my same post. Perhaps you’ll quote my same post tomorrow for a third day in a row.

I’m curious though, can you please tell me one fact that you’ve made in this thread? Just one fact about the iMac Pro...

Yes, the CPU's are under clocked and that is a fact.

 

[ThatSandWyrm]

This statement exactly demonstrates how apple has its head shoved so far up its own ass that they smell their **** and think it's roses.

Why are people getting so worked up over this? Because this is exactly the type of crap that Steve Jobs was known to criticize in the Tech industry.

HOW does it demonstrate Apple enclosing its head in an orifice? WHAT is exactly the type of feces that Steve Jobs was known to criticize? I could give examples backed up by experience and evidence going back to even Jobs' tenure at Apple. But you evidently don't know anything about Apple's history, market, or challenges but your misdirected rage.

I honestly don't care one bit about your feelings. I care about well thought out insights and arguments. Neither of which you have provided. You hopping up and down in a frothing rage at Apple based on what someone else (me) said in a post isn't helpful to anyone. You have a mind, use it in a constructive way.
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What I have learned is there are a lot of forum bullies here and you are one of them. I didn't work myself into a frenzy but everyone else did over my post. That is fine as everyone is entitled to participate in this discussion but to get personally attacked over a thread I started isn't necessary.

What is the definition of a poorly formed opinion?? By the way you might want to check your spelling since you brought up criticizing.

Your definition of "bully" is apparently anyone capable of calling you out on your poorly formed opinions.

The definition of a "poorly formed opinion" BTW, is one that that the person holding it cannot defend against evidence to the contrary. Simply vomiting your feelings all over a message board is not a presentation of facts. It's trolling. If you want to back up your assertion that Apple under-clocked components, then it would help your argument to actually cite evidence/sources that back it up.

Oooh! A typo! He found a typo! He wins the internets! All bow before floridaman!

 

[FredT2]

If you want to back up your assertion that Apple under-clocked components, then it would help your argument to actually cite evidence/sources that back it up.

He's already stated that his opinions, that are stated as fact, need no evidence because they are opinions. Why do you keep feeding him?

 

[OBirder]

Yes, the CPU's are under clocked and that is a fact.

Thanks for sharing something positive.

In my opinion this is probably one the best things of my iMP. With a CPU and GPU not running on potential max. specs the system is super quiet, fast and hopefully will live a longer and healthier life.

 

[Bryan Bowler]

What I have learned is there are a lot of forum bullies here and you are one of them.

LOL, ThatSandWrym is anything but a bully. He has decades of deep-level experience with computing systems and he goes to great lengths to share his knowledge and understanding. Initially, like most of us, he politely challenged your assertions and even provided proof/contributions, but when you started going bonkers with a bad attitude, then yes, he challenged you even more. And so have the rest of us.

Yes, the CPU's are under clocked and that is a fact.

The processors are custom designed for Apple and from all indication so far, Apple has done a fine job. The balance of power and thermal control appears to be superb.

From all of your posts in this thread and throughout various parts of the MacRumors site, I know you are unhappy with the iMac Pro. What are you using your iMac Pro for? What are your computing needs? I'm asking a honest question here with no bad intent. I truly want to know. Perhaps we can offer advice that might be of help to you.

 

[Fried Chicken]

HOW does it demonstrate Apple enclosing its head in an orifice? WHAT is exactly the type of feces that Steve Jobs was known to criticize? I could give examples backed up by experience and evidence going back to even Jobs' tenure at Apple. But you evidently don't know anything about Apple's history, market, or challenges but your misdirected rage.

I honestly don't care one bit about your feelings. I care about well thought out insights and arguments. Neither of which you have provided. You hopping up and down in a frothing rage at Apple based on what someone else (me) said in a post isn't helpful to anyone. You have a mind, use it in a constructive way.

What isn’t there to understand? Apple has for whatever reason convinced themselves they need to make a pro computer that’s thin/light/sexy (all things that a pro computer doesn’t have to be). Then apple goes to great lengths to create some highly engineered solution to a problem that only exists because they’ve convinced themselves it does. Then it’s users are supposed to feel: “oooohhh aaaahhhh such a wonderful device”.

I will say it again. Maybe the simplicity of the statement is too much for you to grasp. The iMac Pro perfectly demonstrates how apple has shoved their head so far up their own ass (Thinking that a pro computer absolutely must be thin/light,sexy), that they smell their **** (spending enormous engineering resources around a problem of their own creation which leads to a deficient product w/o nutrients), and think it’s roses (sell the iMac Pro as this wonderful awesome innovative revolution).

What. Is. There. Not. To. Understand?

 

[Bryan Bowler]

I will say it again. Maybe the simplicity of the statement is too much for you to grasp. The iMac Pro perfectly demonstrates how apple has shoved their head so far up their own ass (Thinking that a pro computer absolutely must be thin/light,sexy), that they smell their **** (spending enormous engineering resources around a problem of their own creation which leads to a deficient product w/o nutrients), and think it’s roses (sell the iMac Pro as this wonderful awesome innovative revolution).

What. Is. There. Not. To. Understand?

We get it. You don't like the iMac Pro and that is ok. What's not cool is your over-the-top abrasive attitude. Your last thread giving Apple and the iMac Pro a real verbal thrashing had to be closed by the Mods. And now you see this thread as an opportunity to continue your rants.

There's nothing wrong with disliking a product. But there is something wrong when you cannot discuss it in a somewhat civilized manner.

 

[norbinhouston]

What isn’t there to understand? Apple has for whatever reason convinced themselves they need to make a pro computer that’s thin/light/sexy (all things that a pro computer doesn’t have to be). Then apple goes to great lengths to create some highly engineered solution to a problem that only exists because they’ve convinced themselves it does. Then it’s users are supposed to feel: “oooohhh aaaahhhh such a wonderful device”.

I will say it again. Maybe the simplicity of the statement is too much for you to grasp. The iMac Pro perfectly demonstrates how apple has shoved their head so far up their own ass (Thinking that a pro computer absolutely must be thin/light,sexy), that they smell their **** (spending enormous engineering resources around a problem of their own creation which leads to a deficient product w/o nutrients), and think it’s roses (sell the iMac Pro as this wonderful awesome innovative revolution).

What. Is. There. Not. To. Understand?

In your opinion. Here's an idea, if you don't like the iMac Pro, don't buy one! lol. Nothing will wake Tim Cook up like lost revenue.

 

[flimpy]

What. Is. There. Not. To. Understand?

What I find hard to understand is why some people chose to buy products they do not like and then melt all over internet. Do not like it? Return it. Move on.

 

[Fried Chicken]

In your opinion. Here's an idea, if you don't like the iMac Pro, don't buy one! lol. Nothing will wake Tim Cook up like lost revenue.

This is why I want to discuss how stupid the iMac Pro is. Hopefully I've saved at least one person $5k.

 

[ThatSandWyrm]

What isn’t there to understand? Apple has for whatever reason convinced themselves they need to make a pro computer that’s thin/light/sexy (all things that a pro computer doesn’t have to be). Then apple goes to great lengths to create some highly engineered solution to a problem that only exists because they’ve convinced themselves it does. Then it’s users are supposed to feel: “oooohhh aaaahhhh such a wonderful device”.

I will say it again. Maybe the simplicity of the statement is too much for you to grasp. The iMac Pro perfectly demonstrates how apple has shoved their head so far up their own ass (Thinking that a pro computer absolutely must be thin/light,sexy), that they smell their **** (spending enormous engineering resources around a problem of their own creation which leads to a deficient product w/o nutrients), and think it’s roses (sell the iMac Pro as this wonderful awesome innovative revolution).

What. Is. There. Not. To. Understand?

Repeating your opinion without any additional facts is not an argument.

The iMac Pro exists for a very good reason: Because Apple has flat-out ignored their power users ever since the trash-can Mac was released. Now, you can argue about how good or bad a solution to that problem the iMac Pro is, but it is a solution. One that... now that I've had time to work on my iMP in a variety of tasks... I quite like. It works in all of the ways that I need it to. Speed, looks, extra monitor/eGPU capability, etc.

It didn't have to be thin, etc... Except that it DID have to be in order for Apple to get it out quickly and show the power users that they still cared. Do you have any idea how long it takes to get a completely brand-new chassis design through FCC testing? Even so, they made heat-management a priority, and I really appreciate the quiet elegance/durability of their engineering. There will be no dust clogging up the chips and components over time because they pipe all of the heat out of the sealed areas of the case and into the central vent core.

But I also understand that I'm an outlier. Someone whose work actually benefits from the aggressively multi-core design of this system and its substantial amount of RAM. Most people won't, and THAT is where Apple has failed. There are gobs of potential customers that want an iMac Pro, thinking that it must automatically be "better" than a regular iMac. But for most tasks it isn't. Most folks really just want an nVidia GPU or two, not a hyper-reliable multicore workstation with AMD pro graphics. So those of us who've bought the thing have to keep patiently explaining to gamers, graphic designers, and bloggers why they would be happier with a standard iMac.

And maybe you're one of those. So return your iMP and buy a regular iMac that better fits your needs and budget. But the iMP fits MY needs and budget quite well.
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This is why I want to discuss how stupid the iMac Pro is. Hopefully I've saved at least one person $5k.

So, please tell us what a good iMac Pro would be to you. What apps you need to run, etc.

 

[Fried Chicken]

Repeating your opinion without any additional facts is not an argument.

The iMac Pro exists for a very good reason: Because Apple has flat-out ignored their power users ever since the trash-can Mac was released. Now, you can argue about how good or bad a solution to that problem the iMac Pro is, but it is a solution. One that... now that I've had time to work on my iMP in a variety of tasks... I quite like. It works in all of the ways that I need it to. Speed, looks, extra monitor/eGPU capability, etc.

It didn't have to be thin, etc... Except that it DID have to be in order for Apple to get it out quickly and show the power users that they still cared. Do you have any idea how long it takes to get a completely brand-new chassis design through FCC testing? Even so, they made heat-management a priority, and I really appreciate the quiet elegance/durability of their engineering. There will be no dust clogging up the chips and components over time because they pipe all of the heat out of the sealed areas of the case and into the central vent core.

But I also understand that I'm an outlier. Someone whose work actually benefits from the aggressively multi-core design of this system and its substantial amount of RAM. Most people won't, and THAT is where Apple has failed. There are gobs of potential customers that want an iMac Pro, thinking that it must automatically be "better" than a regular iMac. But for most tasks it isn't. Most folks really just want an nVidia GPU or two, not a hyper-reliable multicore workstation with AMD pro graphics. So those of us who've bought the thing have to keep patiently explaining to gamers, graphic designers, and bloggers why they would be happier with a standard iMac.

And maybe you're one of those. So return your iMP and buy a regular iMac that better fits your needs and budget. But the iMP fits MY needs and budget quite well.
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So, please tell us what a good iMac Pro would be to you. What apps you need to run, etc.

Apple could have just updated the Mac Pro (Powermac G5 chassis). Problem --> Solved.