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[Mr. Zarniwoop]

Wrong.
I worked on NEXT computers in 1982 so I don't know about your maths but that is before the first compact or are you still existing in your alternative universe.
I love it that there can be so many idiots in this forum.

I suspect most on the forum are talking about NeXT, the company that Steve Jobs founded after he left Apple in 1985. Jobs unveiled the NeXT Computer itself in late 1988, although it wasn’t really available until 1989. I still recall the first time I saw a web browser in 1991, it was on a NeXT Computer.

That NeXT didn’t exist in 1982, although some of the ideas (and some of the people, including Jobs himself) originated with Apple’s SuperMicro division: Lisa released the following year, and obviously the Macintosh later.

What NEXT are you referring to?

 

[floridaman]

This last sentence should have a question mark. Poor punctuation. Also, Crucial RAM was manufactured by the IMFT (Intel Micron Flash Technologies) which is ending this year, as announced on January 8th. (https://newsroom.intel.com/news-rel...update-nand-memory-joint-development-program/)

I worked for Apple in the past doing quality assurance control and reporting as well as helping engineer a few products. (Known as EFFA - Early Field Failure Analysis) A LARGE majority of the machines use Hynix, now SK Hynix after they absorbed Elpida of Japan, and SK Hynix is the SECOND largest supplier of RAM in the world, behind only Samsung. (https://www.statista.com/statistics...venues-of-semiconductor-companies-since-2010/) Apple keeps CRAZY records on what fails and what doesn't. I personally have a 2007 White MacBook that has Hynix DDR2-667 that still runs like a champ and has never had the memory replaced.



Have you ever researched some of the aftermarket brands that offer higher clock speed RAM? A vast majority use an SK Hynix memory chip. Example - G.Skill Ripjaws



How does anything that you said about SK Hynix memory hold water? It must hold water in a waterless lake or pond.



There aren't any bullies in this forum. They are simply calling out your false and baseless opinion as just that: false and baseless. If you think that is bullying, then you sir have a thin skin.

The CPUs are not underclocked. They were co-designed/engineered by Apple and Intel in a partnership specifically for the iMac Pro and if you still think they are "underclocked" then I will let you remain a fool because there is no sense in arguing with a fool.



FACT: you don't understand, AT ALL, what goes into the engineering of a system of this caliber, period. If you did, you'd understand that it takes time and sometimes it takes having one your suppliers, in this case Intel, creating a custom part just for you. Dell & HP have this done by Intel for their server lines.

FACT: Companies as large as Apple (ie. Dell, HP, IBM, Sun, etc) all have multiple suppliers of components (HDD, RAM, Optical Drive...they still exist) and use them throughout their product lines. This is simple business: get bids from each supplier and have them bid against each other. Any Apple computer, desktop or notebook, will have any of the following suppliers for RAM - Samsung, SK Hynix, Micron, Nanya (much less now), and Elpida before Hynix bought them. I know all of this first hand because as I mentioned, I worked for Apple. What you call facts about the "quality" of different manufacturers is subjective. These are products designed by humans, manufactured by machines based on human design, and can have faults. So I guess the Toshiba NAND in the iOS devices isn't quality because they don't produce a RAM chip...?!? Really?!?

FACT: SSDs were supplied by three companies at one point in time: Samsung, Toshiba, and SanDisk. Once Samsung came out with the SM951, Apple went to Samsung pretty much exclusively. Once Apple acquired the Israeli firm Anobit in December 2011, they began working on their own NVMe Storage controller. It is custom to them and uses either SanDisk or Toshiba NAND on certain SSDs. The iMac Pro from what I've seen in screenshots and the iFixIt teardown is Samsung NAND and the Apple NVMe controller is more than likely based on the SSPOLARIS or SSPHOENIX Samsung NVMe Controller.


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Price Comparison by Digital Trends (Mind you the Dell only has 10-Cores and only 3TB of NVMe storage)
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/maxed-imac-pro-costs-over-13k-but-what-can-you-get-on-pc/

Since you worked for Apple then you know very well that this company takes shortcuts however you would never admit that since you worked there. No double spacing after periods by the way. Are you happy now? The CPU's are under clocked and you can choose to believe this or not to believe it. Even the professional reviews have talked about this. I don't care how many computers use Hynix but research has shown me it isn't one of the better memory manufacturers. How do you know what Apple does now if you don't work there anymore? Also I never made any comments about the solid state HD until yesterday and I praised Apple for what they are currently using in the IMac Pro. For an all in one machine they did a great job. I just don't agree with some of the decisions they chose for the components. Ho harm or foul with that. Some of the comments that have been posted on this forum are nothing short of bully posts. Go back and read the posts.

 

[OBirder]

None of the posts on this forum should be discredited.

It's mostly up in the poster's control how much credit they get.

It seems that if you say anything negative you get attacked by other people on this forum.

You quoted my post and maybe you need to help me understand what I said to attack someone. In my opinion I stayed mostly positive. But yet you responded with the following:

... in fact Apple has brainwashed everyone into believing they are the best of the best.

I let you evaluate yourself how much credit your fact above will get you in this forum.

 

[norbinhouston]

I suspect most on the forum are talking about NeXT, the company that Steve Jobs founded after he left Apple in 1985. Jobs unveiled the NeXT Computer itself in late 1988, although it wasn’t really available until 1989. I still recall the first time I saw a web browser in 1991, it was on a NeXT Computer.

That NeXT didn’t exist in 1982, although some of the ideas (and some of the people, including Jobs himself) originated with Apple’s SuperMicro division: Lisa released the following year, and obviously the Macintosh later.

What NEXT are you referring to?

The NEXT computers that came after he worked on Linux and the Windows systems before that, obviously.

 

[Bryan Bowler]

This last sentence should have a question mark. Poor punctuation. Also, Crucial RAM was manufactured by the IMFT (Intel Micron Flash Technologies) which is ending this year, as announced on January 8th. (https://newsroom.intel.com/news-rel...update-nand-memory-joint-development-program/)

I worked for Apple in the past doing quality assurance control and reporting as well as helping engineer a few products. (Known as EFFA - Early Field Failure Analysis) A LARGE majority of the machines use Hynix, now SK Hynix after they absorbed Elpida of Japan, and SK Hynix is the SECOND largest supplier of RAM in the world, behind only Samsung. (https://www.statista.com/statistics...venues-of-semiconductor-companies-since-2010/) Apple keeps CRAZY records on what fails and what doesn't. I personally have a 2007 White MacBook that has Hynix DDR2-667 that still runs like a champ and has never had the memory replaced.



Have you ever researched some of the aftermarket brands that offer higher clock speed RAM? A vast majority use an SK Hynix memory chip. Example - G.Skill Ripjaws



How does anything that you said about SK Hynix memory hold water? It must hold water in a waterless lake or pond.



There aren't any bullies in this forum. They are simply calling out your false and baseless opinion as just that: false and baseless. If you think that is bullying, then you sir have a thin skin.

The CPUs are not underclocked. They were co-designed/engineered by Apple and Intel in a partnership specifically for the iMac Pro and if you still think they are "underclocked" then I will let you remain a fool because there is no sense in arguing with a fool.



FACT: you don't understand, AT ALL, what goes into the engineering of a system of this caliber, period. If you did, you'd understand that it takes time and sometimes it takes having one your suppliers, in this case Intel, creating a custom part just for you. Dell & HP have this done by Intel for their server lines.

FACT: Companies as large as Apple (ie. Dell, HP, IBM, Sun, etc) all have multiple suppliers of components (HDD, RAM, Optical Drive...they still exist) and use them throughout their product lines. This is simple business: get bids from each supplier and have them bid against each other. Any Apple computer, desktop or notebook, will have any of the following suppliers for RAM - Samsung, SK Hynix, Micron, Nanya (much less now), and Elpida before Hynix bought them. I know all of this first hand because as I mentioned, I worked for Apple. What you call facts about the "quality" of different manufacturers is subjective. These are products designed by humans, manufactured by machines based on human design, and can have faults. So I guess the Toshiba NAND in the iOS devices isn't quality because they don't produce a RAM chip...?!? Really?!?

FACT: SSDs were supplied by three companies at one point in time: Samsung, Toshiba, and SanDisk. Once Samsung came out with the SM951, Apple went to Samsung pretty much exclusively. Once Apple acquired the Israeli firm Anobit in December 2011, they began working on their own NVMe Storage controller. It is custom to them and uses either SanDisk or Toshiba NAND on certain SSDs. The iMac Pro from what I've seen in screenshots and the iFixIt teardown is Samsung NAND and the Apple NVMe controller is more than likely based on the SSPOLARIS or SSPHOENIX Samsung NVMe Controller.

One last bit of advice: use proper punctuation and don't do the double space after every sentence. Its tacky.
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Price Comparison by Digital Trends (Mind you the Dell only has 10-Cores and only 3TB of NVMe storage)
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/maxed-imac-pro-costs-over-13k-but-what-can-you-get-on-pc/

Ryan, thank you for posting this and sharing your credible insight and firsthand experience.

...The CPU's are under clocked and you can choose to believe this or not to believe it. Even the professional reviews have talked about this. I don't care how many computers use Hynix but research has shown me it isn't one of the better memory manufacturers.

...Some of the comments that have been posted on this forum are nothing short of bully posts. Go back and read the posts.

floridaman, we now have a former Apple engineer offering his input and you still don't believe it. That's fine, you're entitled to believe in anything you want. However, you still think you're being bullied anytime someone posts a viewpoint that is different than yours. You should learn that it's ok for people to have a different view on things than you do.

You are of the opinion that the iMac Pro is using cheap components and underpowered processors and you can continue to feel that way. As for the vast majority of the rest of us, we will happily utilize the iMac Pro to perform the high-level tasks we need to do our work. It is a powerful computer that fits high-end workflows quite well.

 

[RyanXM]

Since you worked for Apple then you know very well that this company takes shortcuts however you would never admit that since you worked there.

Thank you for the no double space after a period.

As far as the concerns of shortcuts, none are ever taken. Look at the recent delay in product launches. This should show you that instead of launching an inferior product, Apple is willing to delay to make sure that the product shipped to the end user is of the upmost quality and reliability. With that said, there are instances where an engineering change needed to be made but it was too late in the game. (Think 2011, both Early and Late, 15" MacBook Pro models) This engineering change made it into the 2012 and 2013 15" MacBook Pro with Retina Display but still ended with the same issues with GPU failures. They have since made another revision that seems to be have worked. Since the Late 2013 models, there have been very little instances of failed GPUs.

I'm (honestly) surprised that the bashing that you give Apple in a public forum, but yet, you still continue to use their "shortcut" taken products. EFFA is a real thing and something they they gain immense knowledge from. As I said previously: all computers are designed by fallible humans and so are the machines that produce said products. I have knowledge into the CNC machines for products at the big three automakers and the same holds true: things get out of spec and need to be adjusted and/or changed completely.

The only real shortcuts, if one calls it that, is in how they now take care of their retail employees. I have over 10 close friends who still work at the retail level and that culture has had a MASSIVE shift since Angela took over. Their healthcare is still the best there is because of the amount of corporate employees that Apple has. The retail side of things has been going down hill since 2014 or so. The support side of retail has seen the biggest decline. No longer do you have technicians who can repair the physical system, nor are they very successful at repairing things software related. Admittedly, the software side for things has gone down hill since the yearly upgrade cycles, making it even harder to repair software. Most now just suggest an E&I (Erase & Install) of the OS and call it a day.

I'm not here to bully, I'm here to share facts and at times, some opinions, based on credible information from working for and still following Apple very closely. Good day to you @floridaman
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Really useful insight into how Apple works as opposed to speculation, thanks.

It was purposeful. Haha! Thanks for noticing!

 

[floridaman]

It's mostly up in the poster's control how much credit they get.




You quoted my post and maybe you need to help me understand what I said to attack someone. In my opinion I stayed mostly positive. But yet you responded with the following:




I let you evaluate yourself how much credit your fact above will get you in this forum.

My apologies, I had just woken up and meant to reply to another person's post.
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Ok, so it has become much clearer now.

The OP won’t discuss anything about his computing needs when others try to offer up help or recommendations. He just wants to post statements saying the iMac Pro uses low-quality and underclocked components and then deny any responses to the things he says. He also has several other threads on the iMac Pro saying something must be wrong because it takes too long to boot up, he has a poor quality display, and then after that he is hearing static from the sound coming from his iMac Pro. Is it buyer’s remorse? Is he just trying to stir the pot? Or is it neither of those? I’m not sure because he won’t partake in any actual discussion on the iMac Pro.

Hey, people are free to post their thoughts and opinions (within the confines of the rules). So I’m posting my opinion in relation to the claims being made by the two members above. The iMac Pro does not use low quality or substandard parts. The iMac Pro is a good choice for power users and working pros that don’t mind an AIO design and need a powerful Mac right now. It is the fastest and most powerful computer offered by Apple and will remain so until the new Mac Pro is released. It will serve the needs of many users quite well. As for me, I’m looking forward to getting one next month and it will be a tremendous benefit to my workflow and worth every penny to me.

For those that don’t like the iMac Pro, hopefully the next Mac Pro will be a good fit for you or you can find a PC that better fits your needs.

The bottom line is Apple does take shortcuts with their computers and in fact Apple has brainwashed everyone into believing they are the best of the best. It is a fact that the processor is under clocked. Maybe Apple has a valid reason for this which from what I have read has to do with the cooling system. Why not have a processor that isn't under clocked and provide the proper cooling system. They use memory from different manufacturers and the quality differs between manufacturers. This is a fact and all you have to do is to google the information about different brands of memory to validate this. Yes some of the IMac Pro machines have Micron memory but you have to get 64GB or more to get this brand. You get the base machine and you will end up with Hynix. I will also say that Apple uses one of the best flash storage drives if not the best. My point is to use the best of everything and not just on certain components.
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Ryan, thank you for posting this and sharing your credible insight and firsthand experience.



floridaman, we now have a former Apple engineer offering his input and you still don't believe it. That's fine, you're entitled to believe in anything you want. However, you still think you're being bullied anytime someone posts a viewpoint that is different than yours. You should learn that it's ok for people to have a different view on things than you do.

You are of the opinion that the iMac Pro is using cheap components and underpowered processors and you can continue to feel that way. As for the vast majority of the rest of us, we will happily utilize the iMac Pro to perform the high-level tasks we need to do our work. It is a powerful computer that fits high-end workflows quite well.

Bryan,

This will be my last response to your invalid posts on this thread. There is a difference between a viewpoint and being outright attacked for my viewpoints. I completely agree that everyone is entitled to their own views of the IMac Pro. I have never bullied or attacked anyone on this forum. Maybe you need to go back and read some of the posts from other members to see where I am coming from when I use the word bully. Maybe you should learn to read all the posts more carefully instead of making assumptions of me on this thread and other threads.

 

[norbinhouston]

This Florida person is delusional. He’s says he’s never bullied anyone? I guess calling people morons isn’t bullying. Typical, now he fancys himself as the victim.

 

[Bryan Bowler]

This will be my last response to your invalid posts on this thread. There is a difference between a viewpoint and being outright attacked for my viewpoints. I completely agree that everyone is entitled to their own views of the IMac Pro. I have never bullied or attacked anyone on this forum. Maybe you need to go back and read some of the posts from other members to see where I am coming from when I use the word bully. Maybe you should learn to read all the posts more carefully instead of making assumptions of me on this thread and other threads.

I’m glad to hear that you will no longer respond. Your paranoia about being bullied is unfounded and it detracts from conversations on Macs, computing, etc...the things this forum is intended for.

Have a good evening.

 

[floridaman]

This Florida person is delusional. He’s says he’s never bullied anyone? I guess calling people morons isn’t bullying. Typical, now he fancys himself as the victim.

Mr. Houston,

Apparently you don't know how to read posts either and are making false statements. I never called anyone a moron. Please show me proof of where I called someone a moron. This forum truly amazes me. It would be great if everyone could be more civil and simply have a discussion rather than making false accusations like you just did.

I started this thread and merely made some statements of opinions, beliefs and look where we are today. None of what I said makes me delusional however you are certainly entitled to your view.

We shouldn't be judging people here based on their posts.

I made a judgement call on some of the components in the IMac Pro not about other forum members.

 

[Bryan Bowler]

Mr. Houston,

Apparently you don't know how to read posts either and are making false statements. I never called anyone a moron. Please show me proof of where I called someone a moron. This forum truly amazes me. It would be great if everyone could be more civil and simply have a discussion rather than making false accusations like you just did.

I started this thread and merely made some statements of opinions, beliefs and look where we are today. None of what I said makes me delusional however you are certainly entitled to your view.

We shouldn't be judging people here based on their posts.

I made a judgement call on some of the components in the IMac Pro not about other forum members.

Can you please take these sort of posts to Private Messages or better yet, talk about this sort of thing to your heart's content in the Politics, Religion, and Social Issues forum? It would be great to talk about the iMac in this forum.

 

[RyanXM]

The CPU's are under clocked and you can choose to believe this or not to believe it. Even the professional reviews have talked about this. I don't care how many computers use Hynix but research has shown me it isn't one of the better memory manufacturers. How do you know what Apple does now if you don't work there anymore?

@floridaman

"I don't care how many computers use Hynix but research has shown me it isn't one of the better memory manufacturers." - Whose research?

"The CPU's are under clocked and you can choose to believe this or not to believe it. Even the professional reviews have talked about this." - Professional Reviewers are just that, reviewers. This is the last time I will say it: they are not "UNDERCLOCKED". They are custom silicon just for Apple, just as the A Series chips are custom silicon just for Apple but manufactured by TSMC or Samsung (mostly TSMC now).

"How do you know what Apple does now if you don't work there anymore?" - I'm still very close to a lot of my former coworkers. Because of my time spent there, we talk and until things are public, I keep them to myself. One being the AppleCare Lead for Apple Retail iPhone Repair. His division is in charge of all the tools and equipment needed to perform the repairs to the highest of tolerances, just like new. I also know many who are in the iCloud and iOS delivery teams. Also, why change things when they've worked for MANY, MANY years. RAM, SSD, HDD, etc suppliers haven't changed over the course of time (other than those because of selling off a division or going out of business).