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WHAT a JOKE

Apple has only a couple of possible configurations for the iMac's components and yet they still can't identify this freeze issue in testing? WHAT A JOKE of a company!

And yet, we still fanbois preachin' how reliable Apple systems are etc etc.. :D

I agree that it's kind of sad, with only a couple configurations, Apple can't figure out (and correct!) this issue. My new iMac is on it's way now, and I sincerely hope it's OK ... :(
 
Just a side note: I about dies laughing when I read this title... Apple- new M$??? HELL NO!!! :apple:

Edit: Just thought I would throw that out there. :D
 
We need to bear in mind that this only seems like an issue because people are reporting it online - that might sound obvious, but in general people will only report a problem, because if there is no problem, there is nothing to report, if you know what I mean. So there is a disproportionate amount of online chat about freezes etc, simply because people who DON'T freeze are not reporting it.

My 20" 2.4 Ghz iMac is rock solid with no issues, as the vast majority of new iMacs will be.
 
We need to bear in mind that this only seems like an issue because people are reporting it online - that might sound obvious, but in general people will only report a problem, because if there is no problem, there is nothing to report, if you know what I mean. So there is a disproportionate amount of online chat about freezes etc, simply because people who DON'T freeze are not reporting it

INCORRECT. If it is indeed a driver or component config problem, which it looks like it is, then it should NEVER happen, since the possible configs for the iMAC is so limited, all combinations should have been tested vigorously to ensure compatibility.
 
INCORRECT. If it is indeed a driver or component config problem, which it looks like it is, then it should NEVER happen, since the possible configs for the iMAC is so limited, all combinations should have been tested vigorously to ensure compatibility.

Nice capital letters there.

I'm not saying there isn't a problem. I'm saying there is a problem, but it's not as common as the online community thinks.
 
WHAT a JOKE

Apple has only a couple of possible configurations for the iMac's components and yet they still can't identify this freeze issue in testing? WHAT A JOKE of a company!

And yet, we still fanbois preachin' how reliable Apple systems are etc etc.. :D

Just to balance things out... exactly how many faulty units are we seeing compared to working ones?

I guess I am a fanboi but I like to think I give everyone a fair chance and I would very much like to see figures before deciding if theres a drop in quality.

I have to say that all my Apple machines have always been reliable.. I've only ever had a fault with one of them that was resolved and that was a G4 iMac.

So far my reliable machines have been...

eMac 700Mhz
iMac G4 1.25Ghz 17" <- developed a kernel panic fault after 2 years.. repaired under AppleCare.
iMac G4 1Ghz 15"
Powermac G4 1.25Ghz
Powermac Dual G5 2.3 Ghz
MacBookPro Core Duo 2Ghz
Alu iMac 24" 2.4Ghz

Oh and a 20Gb iPod 3rd Gen

All worked great and apart from the one fault.. never let me down..

You should have realised by now that you tend to get only reports of product faults on the internet. Its not often someone without a fault comes onto a board and tells you his machine is fine (unless hes a geek like us!). You will always get a biased view of faults over the net because of this.

So again, give me figures.. % faulty against % without a problem
 
I wish we could just take a version of your post and move it outside the buried confines of a MacRumors forum and into a more visible place. I mean, it is in fact news, and more importanly, news that might spur not only action on the immediate problem but some general notice that all is not well at Apple Inc. I wish there was someone like Jeremy Horowitz at iLounge who was writing about Macs, and a website like iLounge for Mac news.

I wouldn't thank the OP quite yet. It's a complete copy/paste from Appleinsider. He actually moved it INTO the buried confines of a MacRumors forum:

To the original poster - it's a good idea to make it obvious when you're quoting stuff and give the correct attribution.

Boo, original poster. Regardless of the message, there's no reason to pretend you wrote all that yourself. Treat real writers with some respect.
 
I agree that it's kind of sad, with only a couple configurations, Apple can't figure out (and correct!) this issue. My new iMac is on it's way now, and I sincerely hope it's OK ... :(

While true there is only a few configurations, the problem could be at a component level.. It could be with a batch of resistors/capacitors.. hell it could be with a particular factory... If the problem is related to graphics, then it could be to do with the production of the graphics chips etc..

It isnt just a case of picking up a built unit and testing it.
 
What CavemanUK said. Folks who think Apple have a problem should read the iMac love thread.
 
Apple is no where near becoming Microsoft, and no amount of question marks or bad grammar can prove that. I do, however believe that Apple has been having some seriously *****ty luck lately with the hardware they are being provided with. While it IS Apple's job to test machines before they go out into the world, I fail to believe that all the fault lies with them. ATI should be doing something to correct this, and I'm sure Apple is putting the heat on them.
 
Nice capital letters there.

I'm not saying there isn't a problem. I'm saying there is a problem, but it's not as common as the online community thinks.

Believe me, it is as common as the online communities say it is.
I would usually completely agree with your kind of opinion on this matter. But there is always an exception to every rule. And this is it.
Just like another poster in this thread, im also on my 2nd iMac, and it too has the same fault.

On the scale of things, this is one of Apples bigger blunders for sure.
 
Believe me, it is as common as the online communities say it is.
I would usually completely agree with your kind of opinion on this matter. But there is always an exception to every rule. And this is it.
Just like another poster in this thread, im also on my 2nd iMac, and it too has the same fault.

On the scale of things, this is one of Apples bigger blunders for sure.

And your evidence is?
 
I've got one AL-iMac 2.4/750/2.5GB and one AL-iMac 2.8e/1TB/4GB and have had ZERO issues to date in about three weeks of use, one machine runs 24/7. So, whatever is going on, it isn't global.

rt

Both are 24" models (I realize that is obvious with the 2.8E unit)....:cool:
 
Well...

A growing number of users have reported that Apple's aluminum all-in-one computers suffer from a flaw that locks up the interface, rendering the system all but inert until a reboot.

Customers participating in Apple's official support discussions (one, two) have reported that the new iMac will technically continue to run when the freeze occurs, but that it becomes impossible to control or switch to programs without a hard reset.

"Whatever was going on at the time continues, so if you were listening to music it continues to play," one user wrote. "The mouse pointer moves but you cannot select anything. Tabbing through apps doesn't work."

Significantly, some can still control basic functions from the keyboard, such as pausing music or activating the Caps Lock key.

The issue appears to be related to the ATI Radeon HD graphics hardware and its drivers, but has proven unpredictable. While some customers have said they can reliably trigger the freeze by running games, iTunes, or other programs that push the video chipset, others have had the lockups occur at seemingly random intervals or after running the iMac for a long time.

Those who have contacted Apple for help have found that the company is aware of the issue, but hasn't yet responded with a permanent fix. Both the 1.0 and 1.1 iMac Software Update packages released since the iMac's August launch have included "important bug fixes" which users later discovered were almost exclusively centered around video drivers, but none of these included a fix for the freezing issue.

Some users' systems even appear to have been made worse by the latest of the updates. AppleInsider's own review unit, while stable during the review period and for weeks afterwards, now suffers from the same issue since the 1.1 update and will occasionally refuse to respond regardless of what was running at the time.

A handful of users claim to have repaired the issue by manually reinstalling earlier drivers, though this unofficial fix has not been successful for AppleInsider as well as other users. However close Apple may be to a fix, the widespread nature of the problem is making some prospective buyers think twice before purchasing the system so soon into its release cycle.

"I would hate to get a new iMac, and then experience problems with it right out of the box," said one visitor to Apple's discussions.

This is extremely troubling to me and Apple should develop a FIX ASAP.

Well, I guess you told Apple. What makes you think they are not working on this issue as fast as they can right now.??
 
And your evidence is?

Regardless of the % of broken or faulty iMacs, the issue remains that those faulty computers all have the exact same symptoms: total lockups, where you can move the mouse cursor but have to force restart.

This issue seems to have been much more discussed (or posted) than any other issue with a current Apple product: dead pixels on iPods, the "negative" black effect, etc. That's the reason why us--the ones who have perhaps been through two broken iMacs--believe that this is way too common to be considered "normal" or whatever the term is. We all realize that there is a certain % destined to be broken, but, again, too many users are describing the exact same symptoms for us to believe that the complainers happen to be the most vocal ones. (I only signed up yesterday to post my story, how many unhappy iMac users sit at home and don't even know about these forums?)

I would love to hear Apple's official statement on the matter: just how many iMacs have been reported broken, or have been replaced.
 
Regardless of the % of broken or faulty iMacs, the issue remains that those faulty computers all have the exact same symptoms: total lockups, where you can move the mouse cursor but have to force restart.

This issue seems to have been much more discussed (or posted) than any other issue with a current Apple product: dead pixels on iPods, the "negative" black effect, etc. That's the reason why us--the ones who have perhaps been through two broken iMacs--believe that this is way too common to be considered "normal" or whatever the term is. We all realize that there is a certain % destined to be broken, but, again, too many users are describing the exact same symptoms for us to believe that the complainers happen to be the most vocal ones. (I only signed up yesterday to post my story, how many unhappy iMac users sit at home and don't even know about these forums?)

I would love to hear Apple's official statement on the matter: just how many iMacs have been reported broken, or have been replaced.

Apple has acknowledged the problem now, but we still don't know what percentage of iMac owners have experienced it. My question was in response to the poster who said that the issue "is as common as the online communities say it is." I'm not sure what that statement means exactly, but it's of doubtful accuracy. These forums are always biased towards people with complaints or problems. Consequently it's very difficult to extrapolate from this little picture to the wider universe of owners.
 
iMac freezing

My 24" 2.4 Alu iMac w/ 2gb ram is my first mac. It worked fine for about a month. A bunch of posts on the other thread involving freezing says that 1.1 caused it, but when I completely zeroed the drive from booting in target disk mode and erasing using disk utility from another mac, and reinstalling the OS, it froze immediately. Apple swapped my computer for another one, and it still freezes every once in a while. I know that Apple acknowledges the problem, but I was wondering if anyone knows anything about how fast they will fix it. Sometimes my computer freezes running normal apps like ichat, itunes, iphoto, and front row... but sometimes it freezes while playing games like World of Warcraft. Please reply if anyone has any temporary fixes. Thanks
 
My 24" is better now...

I took my iMac back to Apple. When we started it up in the store we saw several spots on the screen. The "Genius" immediately said that "this is not good" and restarted it. All the spots went away. This had been happpening in the past. Thankfully it happened in front of him too. This machine had been freezing randomly for awhile also. Apple kept my iMac and replaced the video card. SO FAR everything seems better now. I hope it stays that way for sure...
 
It sounded to me like Apple was saying this is a software issue so one would think everyone would sooner or later experience this issue.
Im a little surprised that IJ got one so soon knowing Apples history with rev A products.
Ill wait a lil longer and see how this plays out with 10.5
 
And your evidence is?

You did actually read my post that you quoted, didn't you?

But to repeat.. I got 2 iMacs in a row that have the same fault. If you want more besides that, then just take a look in Apples own discussion forums (or just about any external Mac forum too). One guy on there bought 21 iMacs for his college, and 3 went bad. Thats 14% or so right there. That doesn't compare to my 100%, but still..

Not too good, right?
 
Just a thought for the Alu Imacs...

IMHO, these machines run a bit hotter than they should. I'm sure that the problems are beyond just heat related and of couse any production electronics device as complicated as a computer can have unforseen issues. But in my years and years of PC tweaking, heat was ALWAYS the enemy. I think that Apple should adjust the Firmware for the upcoming release to bump up the fan speeds a bit.

I am using smcSmartFanControl and have bumped my fans up about 50% or so from stock/minimum (not 50% of the max setting, just 50% faster than the minimum RPM). The heat reduction is significant and the machine still runs EXTREMELY quiet.

Knock on wood I have not seen a single lock requiring a power cycle. I have also not installed the 1.1 update. I have done a ton of intensive things such as ripping with Shrink in Fusion XP while Handbraking in OS X, plenty of iMovie/iDVD stuff, etc. The machine has truly been ultra stable.

Anyway, just a thought... a silent machine is great an all but I prefer stability to complete silence. :)
 
Im a little surprised that IJ got one so soon knowing Apples history with rev A products.

Probably because I don't buy this "rev A history" theory. I've owned plenty of first-generation Apple products without problems. In fact the iMac replaced was a "rev A" G4 iMac that never crashed once in over five years of use.

You did actually read my post that you quoted, didn't you?

Yes, but I don't accept "for instance" proofs. It could be that the failure rate on this model is higher than average, but we don't know that for a fact based on anecdotes.
 
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