Images of Alleged iPhone 15 USB-C Connector Parts Leak Online

[AdriftAtlas]

If Apple will require MFi certified cables to fast charge an iPhone that will lead to everyone paying the Apple Tax. Will cable manufacturers sell two versions of the same USB-C cable or will they just sell one MFi certified cable? I suspect this will result in many people paying extra for MFi certification even when they will never use it e.g. Android/PC users.

We already have Intel certified Thunderbolt 4 and USB-IF certified USB4 cables that are mostly interchangeable. The intel certified ones are a bit more expensive than the USB-IF certified ones and some manufacturers sell both. I guess we may see MFi added to the soup.

They're still making a mockery of the USB-IF of which they are a member. Making the plethora of existing USB-C cables that people own semi-incompatible is not environmentally conscience either. I really hope the EU sues them if they pull this stunt.

 

[Pinkyyy 💜🍎]

Steve said OS X setup Apple for the next 20 years starting back around 2001. Doesn't mean they're going to get rid of OS X anytime soon.

Well, he was sort of right though. macOS 11 was introduced in 2020, so OS X did last for almost 20 years.
Unless you mean they’ll get rid of “macOS” as a whole which is very unlikely to happen..

 

[tripsync]

Well, he was sort of right though. macOS 11 was introduced in 2020, so OS X did last for almost 20 years.
Unless you mean they’ll get rid of “macOS” as a whole which is very unlikely to happen..

You're ignoring the context.

When Steve said OS X will last us for the next 20 years, he's talking about the fundamental technologies in OS X, not the name.

Apple ditched OS 9 codebase and focused on OS X. Going to macOS 11 does not mean Apple is ditching OS X codebase.

 

[Pinkyyy 💜🍎]

You're ignoring the context.

When Steve said OS X will last us for the next 20 years, he's talking about the fundamental technologies in OS X, not the name.

Apple ditched OS 9 codebase and focused on OS X. Going to macOS 11 does not mean Apple is ditching OS X codebase.

Oh, yeah I see. Well this is very unlikely to happen, at least not in the near future.

OS X was completely different from OS 9 because it was based on the NeXTSTEP software that was being developed at NeXT, Steve’s other company at the time.
When Steve returned to Apple, he basically implemented the NeXTSTEP software in the form of “OS X” so it was far from OS 9 which was being developed by Apple back at the time it was not under Steve. And until this day, even macOS 13 (and the upcoming 14) are still based on the original OS X, regardless of the name.

Getting rid of macOS right now would require Apple to do something quite similar to the move from OS 9 to OS X, basically change the whole codebase and create a whole different OS. Yeah, I don’t see that happening in the near future either, unless Apple happens to somehow come up with a whole new software technology that would be as impressive as OS X when it first came out.

 

[splifingate]

unless Apple happens to somehow come up with a whole new software technology that would be as impressive as OS X when it first came out

This, too, will happen; in time

 

[tripsync]

Oh, yeah I see. Well this is very unlikely to happen, at least not in the near future.

OS X was completely different from OS 9 because it was based on the NeXTSTEP software that was being developed at NeXT, Steve’s other company at the time.
When Steve returned to Apple, he basically implemented the NeXTSTEP software in the form of “OS X” so it was far from OS 9 which was being developed by Apple back at the time it was not under Steve. And until this day, even macOS 13 (and the upcoming 14) are still based on the original OS X, regardless of the name.

Getting rid of macOS right now would require Apple to do something quite similar to the move from OS 9 to OS X, basically change the whole codebase and create a whole different OS. Yeah, I don’t see that happening in the near future either, unless Apple happens to somehow come up with a whole new software technology that would be as impressive as OS X when it first came out.

of course, i'm not saying they will do it now but at the time when they announced it, the thought of rewriting the OS or doing major foundational changes was certainly a possibility. saying ABC will last X years doesn't mean they will kill it in X years.

 

[tripsync]

There's nothing stopping them from doing that, portless devices are still allowed.

switching portless now is too premature for various reasons. lightning for a few more years is something Apple was probably planning. forcing usb-c now pretty much means USB-C cable should be included.

and it goes to show how EU isn't really thinking about the environment if they're allowing portless/wireless charging without efficiency considerations. a misaligned phone could be wasting a ton of energy as well as having a thick case resulting in the same outcome.

 

[Pinkyyy 💜🍎]

of course, i'm not saying they will do it now but at the time when they announced it, the thought of rewriting the OS or doing major foundational changes was certainly a possibility. saying ABC will last X years doesn't mean they will kill it in X years.

Right. I’m assuming what Steve possibly meant by this is that it’ll likely last “many years in the future”, you know. It doesn’t necessarily have to be “exactly 20 years”.
Though again, the thing is, Steve isn’t the one running Apple right now.. who knows what could’ve possibly happened if he was still around ? 😅

There are so many things he said in the past that are just not true if you look at Apple today. One example is; (I think that was during the introduction of the first iMac) but I remember him talking about games and how Apple is totally committed to making the Macintosh the best gaming platform in the world.
Obviously by looking at Macs today, that’s not true at all lol. It’s not impossible to game on a Mac, but it’s definitely not the best gaming platform.
Oh, and remember how he was strongly against the concept of a touchscreen laptop ? Now there are rumors about the potential of touchscreen MacBooks coming in the future.
Oh and his iconic “Who wants a stylus ?” Now we got the Apple Pencil lol.. yes, it only works with iPads and Steve was talking about iPhones there, but still, we don’t know what he would’ve actually thought about the concept of a stylus in general..

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but the thing is, the current Apple is clearly not 100% going by Steve’s standards. So we don’t really know if OS X would’ve actually “changed” completely by now if Steve was still around.. maybe that would’ve actually happened, maybe not.

 

[tripsync]

Right. I’m assuming what Steve possibly meant by this is that it’ll likely last “many years in the future”, you know. It doesn’t necessarily have to be “exactly 20 years”.

It meant OS X or the majority of the OS will die. From the looks of it, "OS X" is here to stay for as long as Apple lives considering the foundations are being used for all of Apple's major platforms.

Though again, the thing is, Steve isn’t the one running Apple right now.. who knows what could’ve possibly happened if he was still around ? 😅

I mean I'm pretty sure Steve okayed the decision for lightning considering these products take 2 years to develop.

There are so many things he said in the past that are just not true if you look at Apple today. One example is; (I think that was during the introduction of the first iMac) but I remember him talking about games and how Apple is totally committed to making the Macintosh the best gaming platform in the world.
Obviously by looking at Macs today, that’s not true at all lol. It’s not impossible to game on a Mac, but it’s definitely not the best gaming platform.

Well they said committed (though a source for the quote would be nice to get the full context), not that they're already there.

I recall Apple saying they want the best gaming machine in the world and they do, it's the iPhone. You may not consider it a gaming machine but in terms of gaming dollars, iPhone is absolutely killing it.

Oh, and remember how he was strongly against the concept of a touchscreen laptop ? Now there are rumors about the potential of touchscreen MacBooks coming in the future.

Craig federighi long after Steve Jobs passed away doubled down on no touchscreen mac:

Not specifically a Steve Jobs thing.

Oh and his iconic “Who wants a stylus ?” Now we got the Apple Pencil lol.. yes, it only works with iPads and Steve was talking about iPhones there, but still, we don’t know what he would’ve actually thought about the concept of a stylus in general..

Like you said, Steve was talking about iPhones. And there was a specific context (when Steve was talking to Walt) around the "need". If you "need" a stylus, you blew it. You don't "need" a stylus for the iPad.


Also there's plenty of things post-steve said that didn't turn out to be true.
They said 3d touch is just as profound new piece of technology as multi-touch, it's the "next generation" of multi touch and then proceeds to remove it.
They thought butterfly switch was the best ever keyboard they've ever made, reverted back to scissor swithc
They thought touch bar would kill the function keys, they removed it later.
They thought Apple Silicon transition would take only 2 years to complete. That didn't happen. By the way, Steve completed the Intel transition on time in 2007.

I can go on.

So I'm not sure how the argument should be that we should trust post-Steve more than when Steve was alive.

So we don’t really know if OS X would’ve actually “changed” completely by now if Steve was still around..

That's not really the argument. The argument is that if Apple says ABC has X years to live, it's not necessarily true. @Paddle1 suggested Apple planned killing off Lightning this year all along when that's not really proven. In fact, 2023 would be 11 years so it's not "exactly" what happened.

 

[SFjohn]

It meant OS X or the majority of the OS will die. From the looks of it, "OS X" is here to stay for as long as Apple lives considering the foundations are being used for all of Apple's major platforms.




I mean I'm pretty sure Steve okayed the decision for lightning considering these products take 2 years to develop.



Well they said committed (though a source for the quote would be nice to get the full context), not that they're already there.

I recall Apple saying they want the best gaming machine in the world and they do, it's the iPhone. You may not consider it a gaming machine but in terms of gaming dollars, iPhone is absolutely killing it.



Craig federighi long after Steve Jobs passed away doubled down on no touchscreen mac:

Not specifically a Steve Jobs thing.



Like you said, Steve was talking about iPhones. And there was a specific context (when Steve was talking to Walt) around the "need". If you "need" a stylus, you blew it. You don't "need" a stylus for the iPad.


Also there's plenty of things post-steve said that didn't turn out to be true.
They said 3d touch is just as profound new piece of technology as multi-touch, it's the "next generation" of multi touch and then proceeds to remove it.
They thought butterfly switch was the best ever keyboard they've ever made, reverted back to scissor swithc
They thought touch bar would kill the function keys, they removed it later.
They thought Apple Silicon transition would take only 2 years to complete. That didn't happen. By the way, Steve completed the Intel transition on time in 2007.

I can go on.

So I'm not sure how the argument should be that we should trust post-Steve more than when Steve was alive.

The TouchBar is alive & well. It lives on in the 13” MacBook Pro. I know because I recently purchased the M2 version specifically to get the TouchBar… 👍🏻

 

[tripsync]

The TouchBar is alive & well. It lives on in the 13” MacBook Pro. I know because I recently purchased the M2 version specifically to get the TouchBar… 👍🏻

I'm well aware they still sell touchbar, but it was removed from their next gen designs. I don't see a new design of Macs ever getting touchbar considering they're telling developers that they're no longer investing in the tech.

 

[SFjohn]

I'm well aware they still sell touchbar, but it was removed from their next gen designs. I don't see a new design of Macs ever getting touchbar considering they're telling developers that they're no longer investing in the tech.

M2 was certainly next generation when it came out and I bought it. It will likely stay around for the M3. 🫶🏻

 

[tripsync]

M2 was certainly next generation when it came out and I bought it. It will likely stay around for the M3. 🫶🏻

"next gen *design*"

sure if M3 reuses the same 13" design, touchbar would still be there.

 

[Paddle1]

In fact, 2023 would be 11 years so it's not "exactly" what happened.

If I had to guess they had to wait an extra year to change/remove the charging port. The 14 was part of the 3 year cycle for significant design changes they've been doing since the iPhone 6. 6/6S/7, X/XS/11, 12/13/14.

The last phone of each three groups, the iPhone 7, 11, and 14 each removed one feature. Headphone jack, 3D Touch, SIM slot. Messing with the port as well would've been too much.

Although it sounds like this apparent "cycle" may be over if rumors of a 16 Pro/Ultra redesign are true.

 

[kevinof]

Yes, thank you EU for creating an environmental disaster. Apple will likely ship a 2.0 cable which you'll probably throw away later because it doesn't accommodate a lot of modern USB functions.

Hmm . Blame apple for shipping a usb 2.0 product.

 

[tripsync]

If I had to guess they had to wait an extra year to change/remove the charging port. The 14 was part of the 3 year cycle for significant design changes they've been doing since the iPhone 6. 6/6S/7, X/XS/11, 12/13/14.

The last phone of each three groups, the iPhone 7, 11, and 14 each removed one feature. Headphone jack, 3D Touch, SIM slot. Messing with the port as well would've been too much.

Although it sounds like this apparent "cycle" may be over if rumors of a 16 Pro/Ultra redesign are true.

Sure. Three year cycle started with iPhone 6. This could possibly mean a few extra years on top of 10 with lightning was the original plan (basically kill it off on the generation after the iPhone 15).

My argument (as I've mentioned before at least a few times in other threads) is that Apple was planning to stick with lightning for a few more years before going portless so this jives with what I'm saying. Joz is visibly upset because that threw a wrench in their plan. So now Apple must switch to USB-C temporarily which unnecessarily causes customers to replace their lightning cables with USB-C only to then do it again when iPhone goes portless. Terrible for the environment and so hence:

thanks EU for this disaster.

 

[tripsync]

Hmm . Blame apple for shipping a usb 2.0 product.

Then customers will complain why are Apple cables $39 instead of $19?

Always blame Apple, huh?

 

[ericwn]

People don’t care about the environment, as it’s so often displayed on the forums here...

Exactly. That’s why we were given a proprietary port in the first place, lack of environmental consideration. Thankfully that’s over soon.

 

[ericwn]

Sure. Three year cycle started with iPhone 6. This could possibly mean a few extra years on top of 10 with lightning was the original plan (basically kill it off on the generation after the iPhone 15).

My argument (as I've mentioned before at least a few times in other threads) is that Apple was planning to stick with lightning for a few more years before going portless so this jives with what I'm saying. Joz is visibly upset because that threw a wrench in their plan. So now Apple must switch to USB-C temporarily which unnecessarily causes customers to replace their lightning cables with USB-C only to then do it again when iPhone goes portless. Terrible for the environment and so hence:

thanks EU for this disaster.

The only disaster is with Apples capacity to forecast properly then. Can be easily fixed with more capable staff in planning one would think.

 

[kevinof]

Then customers will complain why are Apple cables $39 instead of $19?

Always blame Apple, huh?

When it comes to useless proprietary stuff? Absolutely. Standards baby!

 

[Pinkyyy 💜🍎]

It meant OS X or the majority of the OS will die. From the looks of it, "OS X" is here to stay for as long as Apple lives considering the foundations are being used for all of Apple's major platforms.

I’m not really sure if he meant that “they’ll completely kill it off”. Most likely, he meant that it would stay “many years in the future” until Apple somehow manages to find a better software technology. “20 years” doesn’t have to be exactly “20 years”, you know.
I think that’s what Apple also meant when they said they’d use the Lightning port for the next decade, doesn’t have to be exactly a “decade”. I’m not sure if they were actually planning to switch to USB-C this year though regardless of the EU, but maybe they actually were. Maybe not exactly this year and they were gonna do it a few years later, but they were definitely gonna switch from Lightning at some point.

Well they said committed (though a source for the quote would be nice to get the full context), not that they're already there.

I recall Apple saying they want the best gaming machine in the world and they do, it's the iPhone. You may not consider it a gaming machine but in terms of gaming dollars, iPhone is absolutely killing it.

Here’s the source :

It’s at that part he was talking about games, and he even repeated the “the best gaming platform” part to sort of emphasize it.
And while I do agree that the iPhone is a great gaming machine, Steve was clearly talking about the Mac here.
I just find it amazing how they literally announced a PlayStation Emulator for Mac back in the day, while today it’s very hard to find an emulator that actually works for macOS.. oh well.

And while Apple might be working to improve the experience of gaming on Mac right now, I just kinda feel like the gaming topic is not really as important to them as it used to be. They’re not even marketing the Mac as a “gaming machine” anymore, which could be the reason why most game developers don’t bother develop games for macOS.
I saw that they talked specifically about games at some part during this year’s WWDC though, so who really knows.. maybe one day the Mac will actually become a better gaming machine.

Craig federighi long after Steve Jobs passed away doubled down on no touchscreen mac:

Not specifically a Steve Jobs thing.

Well they did remove the TouchBar from the redesigned MacBooks, but I’m guessing that was mostly in favor of the physical function keys, not really for a touchscreen Mac.. so yeah, maybe those rumors are not true.

Also there's plenty of things post-steve said that didn't turn out to be true.
They said 3d touch is just as profound new piece of technology as multi-touch, it's the "next generation" of multi touch and then proceeds to remove it.
They thought butterfly switch was the best ever keyboard they've ever made, reverted back to scissor swithc
They thought touch bar would kill the function keys, they removed it later.
They thought Apple Silicon transition would take only 2 years to complete. That didn't happen. By the way, Steve completed the Intel transition on time in 2007.

I can go on.

So I'm not sure how the argument should be that we should trust post-Steve more than when Steve was alive.

Right. I’m not really saying that we should specifically trust what Apple said post-Steve more than what Steve said when he was alive. It’s okay for Apple to change their decisions sometimes, which could be by discontinuing some products/features when they realize they are not good enough or that the products are probably not selling well. That’s perfectly normal.

Still, we don’t really know how Apple would be doing today if Steve was still alive. Yes, Tim was Steve’s hand-picked person, but he seems to be taking a completely different approach for Apple than Steve in my opinion. I just don’t really feel like Apple would be the same today if Steve was still there..

That's not really the argument. The argument is that if Apple says ABC has X years to live, it's not necessarily true. @Paddle1 suggested Apple planned killing off Lightning this year all along when that's not really proven. In fact, 2023 would be 11 years so it's not "exactly" what happened.

Again, I don’t really think they meant “exactly” a decade there. They were definitely going to switch from Lightning at some point, not really sure if it was supposed to be this year or later though regardless of the EU.
But they were somehow right, they did keep it for at least a decade. Or else, they would’ve probably already switched from Lightning way earlier.

 

[Pinkyyy 💜🍎]

The TouchBar is alive & well. It lives on in the 13” MacBook Pro. I know because I recently purchased the M2 version specifically to get the TouchBar… 👍🏻

I also have the M2 13” MacBook Pro, such a fantastic machine in my opinion ! I really love the TouchBar, I think it’s a great feature and pretty useful sometimes ❤️

As long as Apple keeps the 13” MacBook Pro, the TouchBar is still there. Though I do have a feeling they may end up either discontinuing the 13” MacBook Pro or redesigning it because it just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense in the lineup.. it’d be sad for me to see the TouchBar completely gone though 🙁

 

[TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️]

Update: iPhone 15 USB-C Connector detail in action. Less than 30 days left to be officially unveiled by Apple. 🤫

Credit: Majin Bu

 

[tripsync]

When it comes to useless proprietary stuff? Absolutely. Standards baby!

Talking about USB-C cables...

 

[tripsync]

I’m not really sure if he meant that “they’ll completely kill it off”.

Again, not completely, but at least another big step that would require a transition period.

In the context, he said for transition #1 "PowerPC setup Apple for the next decade" and PowerPC was killed off
Immediately after that statement, he shows transition #2 says "OS X [...] has set Apple up for the next 20 years".

Most likely, he meant that it would stay “many years in the future” until Apple somehow manages to somehow find a better software technology.

That jives with what I'm saying?

“20 years” doesn’t have to be exactly “20 years”, you know.

Again, that's jiving with what I'm saying? When OP said lighting should last a decade, it didn't last exactly a decade it turns out.

I think that’s what Apple also meant when they said they’d use the Lightning port for the next decade, doesn’t have to be exactly a “decade”.

That's what OP was saying. I'm making that same counter-argument.

but they were definitely gonna switch from Lightning at some point.

This also jives with what I'm saying. Portless would be an option that Apple switches to.

Here’s the source :

It’s at that part he was talking about games, and he even repeated the “the best gaming platform” part to sort of emphasize it.
And while I do agree that the iPhone is a great gaming machine, Steve was clearly talking about the Mac here.
I just find it amazing how they literally announced a PlayStation Emulator for Mac back in the day, while today it’s very hard to find an emulator that actually works for macOS.. oh well.

Yes this is the one I recall. And they do have the best gaming machine. At the time they didn't have portable handhelds so it's not like they were going to announce a completely new line of gaming products.

And while Apple might be working to improve the experience of gaming on Mac right now, I just kinda feel like the gaming topic is not really as important to them as it used to be. They’re not even marketing the Mac as a “gaming machine” anymore, which could be the reason why most game developers don’t bother develop games for macOS.
I saw that they talked specifically talked about games at some part during this year’s WWDC though, so who really knows.. maybe one day the Mac will actually become a better gaming machine.

Because of iPhone.

Well they did remove the TouchBar from the redesigned MacBooks, but I’m guessing that was mostly in favor of the physical function keys, not really for a touchscreen Mac.. so yeah, maybe those rumors are not true.

The video directly address the question of "will there be a touchscreen mac" and craig said "had working models but it really was a compromise...grafting touch on something that fundamentally was designed around a precise pointer really compromises the experience"

Right. I’m not really saying that we should specifically trust what Apple said post-Steve more than what Steve said when he was alive. It’s okay for Apple to change their decisions sometimes, which could be by discontinuing some products/features when they realize they are not good enough or that the products are probably not selling well. That’s perfectly normal.

Still, we don’t really know how Apple would be doing today if Steve was still alive. Yes, Tim was Steve’s hand-picked person, but he seems to be taking a completely different approach for Apple than Steve in my opinion. I just don’t really feel like Apple would be the same today if Steve was still there..

Great so the point about lighting living for a decade is actually pointless. That jives with what I'm saying.

Again, I don’t really think they meant “exactly” a decade there. They were definitely going to switch from Lightning at some point, not really sure if it was supposed to be this year or later though regardless of the EU.
But they were somehow right, they did keep it for at least a decade. Or else, they would’ve probably already switched from Lightning way earlier.

Never said exactly. OP is pointing out lightning should have been exactly.