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Happy I got the last lighting iphone. Love the robustness and don’t like creating more e-waste.
 
I actually have more Lightning than USB-C cables. About a 3:1 scale.
I probably did about two years ago. Now "everything" I buy comes with USB-C. It's everything from my camera, my several power banks, work laptop, mouse, keyboard, several flashlights/headlamps for hiking, my bike lights, my handheld consoles and controllers. I mean, I even have a handheld compressor and a soldering iron with USB-C. It's come to the point for me that it's a major disadvantage if it doesn't come with USB-C. I know I'm a gadget geek and it's not representable, but USB-C is very much out there, even on other Apple products.
 
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this whole USB-C situation is one of the weirdest ones Apple has cooked up in a while. cannot fathom why they would outfit their best-selling product with the latest open standard for wired connectivity and limit it to speeds from a twenty-three year old standard. especially when all of their computers currently for sale have at least two Thunderbolt ports.

my sleep-deprived brain wants to make sense of the MFi component but it really does just seem like a desperate attempt to keep that program alive. did they not just break records on their Services revenue in the latest quarter? do they really still need the money from that?

ahh, having the former COO in charge…(not like Steve didn't do these absurd cash grabs, he's the father of the Apple Tax—maybe it's just my subconscious showing its bias, though it didn't seem like things THIS egregious happened pre-Tim.)
If the program died and people charged up with any old cable and phones started to catch fire, people would be blaming Apple and of course, no criticism of Apple ever goes unnoticed. That, imo, is why MFI is being kept alive.
 
Are you serious? Users have no idea what 3nm processors even means. USB-C however is a thing users actually will notice. At this point most of us have more USB-C cables than lightning.
If you mean by "most of us" the minority that have more usbc than lightning? Not everything comes with usbc. I have bought products that have micro-usb. The issue is my usbc cables don't seem to be interchangeable, while my lightning are.
 
That's not my point. I can grab the USB-A to Lightning cable I got with the iPod touch I got when they introduced Lightning and use that same cable to charge my iPhone 14 Pro. It would work just as well as when I use the USB-C to Lightning cable that came with the phone.

It is impossible to do this with USB-C.
Just use the USBC cable what will be in the box together with your new iPhone. Problem solved

Being against USBC just cos u don’t know how to buy the proper cable makes not much sense.

Btw all USBC cables support minimum the standard what lightning provides. So u can only win
 
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Just use the USBC cable what will be in the box together with your new iPhone. Problem solved

Being against USBC just cos u don’t know how to buy the proper cable makes not much sense.

Btw all USBC cables support minimum the standard what lightning provides. So u can only win
That's assuming it comes with a cable...
 
Just use the USBC cable what will be in the box together with your new iPhone. Problem solved

Being against USBC just cos u don’t know how to buy the proper cable makes not much sense.

Btw all USBC cables support minimum the standard what lightning provides. So u can only win

I think you don't really get my point.
 
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If the program died and people charged up with any old cable and phones started to catch fire, people would be blaming Apple and of course, no criticism of Apple ever goes unnoticed. That, imo, is why MFI is being kept alive.
fair point…a way for Apple to avoid some of the more bs controversies of the past. “planned obsolescence” by way of batteries dying before 1% in the freezing cold comes to mind.
 
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I still wonder why didn't just Apple support USB 3.2 Gen 1x1 spec (5 gigabits per second maximum) with up to 35 watts maximum initial charging speed on the iPhone 15/iPhone 15 Plus and USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 (20 gigabits per second maximum) with up to 45 watts maximum initial charging speed for the iPhone 15 Pro/iPhone 15 Pro Max models?
OS and controller limitations.
 
That said the point is again(repeated) they should use the same setup speed for all the series:rolleyes:

Well, Apple also want to have some real functional differences between the standard iPhones and the pro models so that more people will be tempted to spend a bit more and get a Pro. That's why the standard iPhones can't have all the nice things!
 
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Completely correct. Why does Google offer a better IO on a £300 handset?
Because they sell so few they get no economy of scale savings for selling a cheaper USB chipset. For Apple, they figure most buyers of non-pro models won’t need or miss it and therefore can save a buck (or at least a few cents) per device on the BOM that will add up over tens of millions of phones sold. Almost all of Google’s users are enthusiasts that are feature driven and would notice or complain about slow USB speeds in 2023 and Google makes so few that the difference in cost between a USB 3/4 controller and a USB 2 for their entire production run is probably not worth haggling over
 
Because they sell so few they get no economy of scale savings for selling a cheaper USB chipset. For Apple, they figure most buyers of non-pro models won’t need or miss it and therefore can save a buck (or at least a few cents) per device on the BOM that will add up over tens of millions of phones sold. Almost all of Google’s users are enthusiasts that are feature driven and would notice or complain about slow USB speeds in 2023 and Google makes so few that the difference in cost between a USB 3/4 controller and a USB 2 for their entire production run is probably not worth haggling over
Also, Android devices aren’t very differentiated on the software side so Android manufacturers have to compete on hardware specifications.

With its own operating system and ecosystem, Apple is differentiated on the software side so doesn’t need to compete in the same way on the hardware specifications.
 
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Because they sell so few they get no economy of scale savings for selling a cheaper USB chipset. For Apple, they figure most buyers of non-pro models won’t need or miss it and therefore can save a buck (or at least a few cents) per device on the BOM that will add up over tens of millions of phones sold. Almost all of Google’s users are enthusiasts that are feature driven and would notice or complain about slow USB speeds in 2023 and Google makes so few that the difference in cost between a USB 3/4 controller and a USB 2 for their entire production run is probably not worth haggling over
So you're saying it's because Apple see their customers as cattle rather than people?
 
So you're saying it's because Apple see their customers as cattle rather than people?
Apple would be nothing without customers. They want you to be as happy as possible with the product so that you keep using the product and buy more of it.

I don’t know where this idea comes from that Apple customers are in some kind of abusive relationship.

It’s a really strange way to frame a situation where the customer holds all the power.
 
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Also, Android devices aren’t very differentiated on the software side so Android manufacturers have to compete on hardware specifications.

With its own operating system and ecosystem, Apple is differentiated on the software side so doesn’t need to compete in the same way on the hardware specifications.
Also, if I/O speed is a differentiation between pro and standard models and it is important to some Apple customers, they have an option to buy the pro model that will also give them all the ProRes and RAW camera features that will need it anyway.
 
If that was true ask the iPhone models would be a minimum of usb 3
iPhones not being USB3 doesn’t make me unhappy. It’s not important to me and data transfer speed of an iPhone plays no part in my buying decision.

Unhappy customers don’t buy your products. If people are buying the product despite a perceived weakness, it just means most people don’t care about that thing.
 
So you're saying it's because Apple see their customers as cattle rather than people?
No, they see them as customers that are buying products with specific features that matter to them. Apple knows how most people are using their phones and if wired data transfer was important they would invest in it.

When you go to McDonalds and buy a Big Mac meal they don’t also throw a burrito in the bag just because it would be a nice thing to do. And you are not being treated as cattle if they don’t.
 
No, they see them as customers that are buying products with specific features that matter to them. Apple knows how most people are using their phones and if wired data transfer was important they would invest in it.

When you go to McDonalds and buy a Big Mac meal they don’t also throw a burrito in the bag just because it would be a nice thing to do. And you are not being treated as cattle if they don’t.
If I spent $100 in McDonalds for a Burger and coke I'd be fewmin if I saw someone in Burger king getting a Burger coke and fries for £50

Your analogy is Apples and Oranges, really you should be thinking Apple and Google
 
If I spent $100 in McDonalds for a Burger and coke I'd be fewmin if I saw someone in Burger king getting a Burger coke and fries for £50

Your analogy is Apples and Oranges, really you should be thinking Apple and Google
That would suggest to me you are not an informed consumer, and I wouldn’t have much sympathy for you.

If you’ve spent money without knowing what you are getting, more fool you.
 
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If I spent $100 in McDonalds for a Burger and coke I'd be fewmin if I saw someone in Burger king getting a Burger coke and fries for £50

Your analogy is Apples and Oranges, really you should be thinking Apple and Google
Apple is selling phones and software. Not USB ports.
 
The point is that Apple is selling out of date technology for a $1000 while competition are managing to do it for a third of the price
 
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