Well there's no specific clarification to make this obvious.
And still, more recent Intel UHD are capable or running some AA games, actually you are able to play more such games on a Windows laptop with Intel UHD solely because of how many AAA are available on Windows.
If you get an M1 Max, you're only getting the GPU equivalent of a 3060. But if that's all you need, can't you spend a lot less than the Max's $2400? And doesn't that, plus its lack of hardware RT, make it a poor hardware value as a gaming computer?
You've misunderstood the discussion. I was replying purely to a hardware value question. In fact, that's why I prefaced it with this explicit qualifier:
I really don't see how I could have made it any clearer.
I don't think people are buying an M1 Max as a gaming computer. They are buying a computer they like or need for other tasks and perhaps would like to game.If you get an M1 Max, you're only getting the GPU equivalent of a 3060. But if that's all you need, can't you spend a lot less than the Max's $2400? And doesn't that, plus its lack of hardware RT, make it a poor value as a gaming computer?
Here's what good values for gaming with RTX 3060's look like today; pricing is $950–$1250: About half of what a Max costs.
Best RTX 3060 PC deals in July 2023
These are the best RTX 3060 PC deals on the market right nowwww.gamesradar.com
Sure, I agree, but you've misunderstood the discussion. I was responding to the academic question of whether the M1 Max represents a good hardware value if you are buying it purely as a gaming computer. And I was explaining it doesn't.
IIRC, when people measure the Max vs. the RTX on actual AAA games (which limits the comparison to the few native AS AAA games), they've found the 3060 is the closest equivalent. When I have a chance I'll try to find that info.
Ok fair enough. I haven't had time to read the majority of the discussion. Are there really posters claiming people buy macs for gaming?
No. I was simply responding to post #713. The poster wasn't saying people buy Macs for gaming, they were considering the academic question of whether Macs represent a good hardware value if viewed purely as a gaming rig.
They would have to buy a console otherwise, right? And that is even assuming the game they want to play is on console.
I don't know. Everyone I know who values gaming and only wants one device buys a pc. I must admit I have never known anyone or heard of anyone who wanted one device, had gaming as a primary interest and bought a mac. I'd love if that changed but don't see that currently.
You should consider other components as well:
Hmmm not sure I agree. You say useless but we've seen that when a well optimised game is released (RE Village) the max does match a 3080. No credible test I've seen says the 3060 matches the max in raster performance.
I dunno. Here's a laudatory review of the M1 Pro (with 32 GB RAM) on RE Village, by Luke Larson of Digital Trends. He says its performance nearly matches a 3050Ti mobile. The RTX mobiles generally have about half the power of the equivalent RTX desktops, in which case an M1 Max would be expected to nearly match a 3050 Ti desktop on that game. That's close to a 3060 desktop, and thus would be consistent with the M1 Max being about equal to a 3060 desktop for gaming purposes:
www.digitaltrends.com
Sorry I'm not sure I understand. I referenced an M1 Max, this review used an M1 Pro.I dunno. Here's a laudatory review of the M1 Pro (with 32 GB RAM) on RE Village. It says its performance nearly matches a 3050Ti mobile. The RTX mobiles generally have about half the power of the equivalent RTX desktops, in which case an M1 Max would be expected to nearly match a 3050 Ti desktop on that game.
Resident Evil Village shows just how good Mac gaming can be | Digital Trends
Tested on a 16-inch MacBook Pro, the new Resident Evil Village port is the first game to come with MetalFX upscaling.
This matches what people are reporting on reddit.
We don't know the exact settings notebook check uses here, but this seems to be the best I could find as it shows a 3060m and a 3080m.
IIRC the 3070m 3060m and the 3050 lines are just power limited versions of the corresponding desktop cards. The 3080m is actually a power limited version of the 3070ti desktop card. The 3080m ti is a die that never got a desktop equivalent, it lands between the desktop 3080 (10gb) and the 3070ti.I dunno. Here's a laudatory review of the M1 Pro (with 32 GB RAM) on RE Village, by Luke Larson of Digital Trends. He says its performance nearly matches a 3050Ti mobile. The RTX mobiles generally have about half the power of the equivalent RTX desktops, in which case an M1 Max would be expected to nearly match a 3050 Ti desktop on that game. That's close to a 3060 desktop, and thus would be consistent with the M1 Max being about equal to a 3060 desktop for gaming purposes:
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OTOH, he also says RE Village isn't that demanding, so maybe it's not demanding enough to really do a comparison (though I'm wondering if you could make it demanding simply by playing it in 4k).
Resident Evil Village shows just how good Mac gaming can be | Digital Trends
Tested on a 16-inch MacBook Pro, the new Resident Evil Village port is the first game to come with MetalFX upscaling.
If you go back to where this started (post #713, as I already mentioned), you'll see we were comparing the M1 Max Studio to NVIDIA-equipped desktop PC's. And my tentative conclusion was the M1 Max's GPU is about equal to a 3060 desktop. If a 3060 desktop is equivalent in gaming performance to a 3080 mobile, then we're saying essentially the same thing.
Way to move the goal post. I already proved to you that Apple is close to the 50% mark as predicted in my original post. And we still have one year to go.
Again, you're just moving the goal post.
To be fair, you do the same thing. Here's proof:You're putting words in his mouth to skew the conversation. @LeeW said virtually all macs, so for most people that means he's own most not every single mac. Secondly he never stated he owned all windows PC and laptops but rather he owned windows PCs and Laptops. Seems more like an attempt to obfuscate the discussion in your part.
The issue is, there's no clear cut definition of what is capable of running AAA games. Is 20FPS capable? My RTX2060 gets 20 FPS in Cyberpunk with ray tracing on - does that man my desktop PC is NOT capable
I've had many laptops in my life, some of which with IGPUs and I will say some of those were very capable. AMD has some nice APUS that allow even better performance then intel's integrated gpu.
I never said this.
After 2 years, you can count on one hand how many Xbox Series X and PS5 games were built from the ground up to take full advantage of the hardware. 95% of the games has been released for both current-gen and last gen platforms.
And the M2 GPU is roughly 44% faster than the M1 GPU. Games will become more demanding the hardware will improve.
