Freesync can work over HDMI, as long as the display supports it. G-Sync does not (technically it does work over HDMI if your display is HDMI 2.1).
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
In 3 years, 50% of all computers capable of playing AAA games will be Macs
- Thread starter senttoschool
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
The video that jeanlain provided was to an Andrew Tsai video that concerned patching an M1 MBA through a Freesync widescreen monitor, testing to see if Apple’s version of VRR - Adaptive Sync - would work on it.
Neither of those were HDMI 2.1.
Right. Freesync can work over HDMI(any version)/DisplayPort whereas GSYNC is HDMI (2.1 only)/DP. That was my only point. Well that and if your monitor doesn't support Freesync but does support HDMI VRR or VESA VRR (I think they are different) then all bets are off.
This is honestly the biggest bugbear that I am concerned about, aside from using Windows. Building a quiet yet fast gaming PC is becoming increasingly harder. The 13900K and RTX 4090 are leading indicators. There are even companies like "be quiet!" that specifically market a solution to combat this. The simple fact that such a company exists is an obvious sign that there is a problem with the entire PC industry.
Meanwhile, Apple saw this coming years ago, and planned ahead with Apple Silicon. Let the PC guys chase the extreme performance edge, where they continue to apply ever increasing wattage, requiring more exotic cooling solutions. The ultra hardcore enthusiast crowd is never going to be satisfied with what the Mac offers, but Apple seems perfectly happy to target the vast majority in the middle.
The situation isn't going to improve over time. According to Sam Naffziger, AMD Vice President of Product Technology Architecture:
Concerning Apple's strategy, sales data from last quarter says it all, with revenue from each respective company:
Intel's Client group: -17%
AMD's Client group: -40%
Mac revenue growth: +25%
We don't yet have data from Nvidia for this quarter, but last quarter they missed forecasts by $1 billion. The PC suppliers are all in a significant downturn, while the Mac hit an all-time revenue high. Eventually, this increasing power consumption death spiral is going to catch up with them, the laws of physics are a bitch.
Apple seems to be doing just fine not chasing the bleeding edge, ridiculous wattage included, while making quiet computers which appeal to the mainstream. There are many reasons to ditch PCs, and noise is major factor why I'm never going to switch, nothing the PC fans say can convince me otherwise, and I am quite happy with my Mac.
There are some snobby individuals that look down upon dedicated gaming devices for not being "real computers". I am not one of them. However, I do care about using a keyboard and mouse combination, which is really only first-class on a standard computer. Plus, I like being able to access the file system for mods, hacks, etc. For those who enjoy gaming on a console, then great, but it's not something for me, and I suspect that I'm not the only one.
I still think that Apple needs to keep spending money to get these AAA games. At least until the tide turns and AAA games come on their own.
I spent some time arguing with co-workers yesterday about how Apple should have paid Activision to bring CoD:MW2 to macOS and was told Apple didn't have enough money to get that to happen...
The game made almost a billion dollars this past weekend, just think how much of that could have been in Apples pockets.
I spent some time arguing with co-workers yesterday about how Apple should have paid Activision to bring CoD:MW2 to macOS and was told Apple didn't have enough money to get that to happen...
The game made almost a billion dollars this past weekend, just think how much of that could have been in Apples pockets.
I've always noticed you're unwilling to answer a simple question, mi7chy. It's quite interesting.
What games have you played on your Mac in the past couple of years?
Oh, and by the way, the M series Macs are just shy of a 50% Mac marketshare on Steam. And the M1 itself has broken it's old record for most used Mac GPU on Steam. (The previous holder was the nVidia 9400M, 32.19% set waaay back in May 2010, which was overtaken in June 2022 by the M1 at 32.25%.)
What games have you played on your Mac in the past couple of years?
Oh, and by the way, the M series Macs are just shy of a 50% Mac marketshare on Steam. And the M1 itself has broken it's old record for most used Mac GPU on Steam. (The previous holder was the nVidia 9400M, 32.19% set waaay back in May 2010, which was overtaken in June 2022 by the M1 at 32.25%.)
I don't think an increase should be considered dying.
Comparing it to October of 2021, it also shows a year over year increase of .18%. As for Linux/Steam deck. Last year before the steam deck was even shipping Linux held 1.13% and this year, its at 1.28% an increase of .15% One could make the argument that the steam deck has yet to make a dent.
I play Cities Skyline, Oceanhorn (I played a few minutes of it and realized M/KB sucks for that game, too lazy to pair my dualsense to continue to play), Fantasian. I bought Metro Exodus because I wanted to try out the EE, but haven't installed it yet cause I have a buttload of other games to crunch through. I have yet to finish Shadow of the Tomb raider and was going to do that on the Deck (before I bought my 14") but found out the Mac/Linux port doesn't work with Windows saves so I dropped that plan.
I sometimes hop back into WoW and Eve Online (both I tend to play on the Mac). I have Path of Exile but never tried the macOS version.
Photoshop
j/k
the wayback machine.
I wasn't sure if it was going to work, but lo and behold it did. Some sites don't render or produce the results you'd expect.
I've been playing Cities Skylines on and off for a while. I've been on a hard core on now for a little while. I've been really enjoying it.
The great thing about that game, is there's a mac version, but you absolutely need a mouse. The trackpad is impossible to use. I've not tried any sort of controller. My preference has always been m/kb which is probably why I enjoy playing on computers over consoles.
I've seen some incredibly wonderful cities on reddit, and some folks work on a particular city for years. I decided to take a city that hit megapolis and continue to grow it. I grabbed a different tile and and I'm basically building a city on that part of the map.
Yeah I need to buy (another) mouse for my Mac. I am torn on which one to go with.
I can't help you because I'm not happy with mine. I need a better wireless one as well.
I too would love to ditch my PC for gaming and simplify my desk setup. However, since AS we lost any kind of Windows support which includes PC games and eGPU support which killed any kind of AAA gaming on the Mac.
My 5 year old PC with a 3 year old NVIDIA GPU runs circles around my M1 Pro with WoW, plus looks much better with ray tracing.
The dream is to ditch my PC, but sadly I can’t see that happening any time soon especially with the rate of innovation from Apple as of late.
My 5 year old PC with a 3 year old NVIDIA GPU runs circles around my M1 Pro with WoW, plus looks much better with ray tracing.
The dream is to ditch my PC, but sadly I can’t see that happening any time soon especially with the rate of innovation from Apple as of late.
See, PC dying as it used to be >98%. Wonder what all time peak was?
Wow, doesn't even spin up the fan on the M1 Macbook Air.
The data simply does not support that supposition. PC was 96.32% last year, and for October 2022, its 97.94% What probably is happening is that the numbers fluctuate, so much so, that you cannot make such wild claims over such minor and tiny swings.
I'm not saying that the Steam Deck won't have an impact on the overall percentages, but as of now, October 2022, I've not seen hard data that there is a material change or any sort of paradigm shift.
Well, you know what Mitchy is doing, right? Making sure that MR lives down to his signature.
You're right, I was confused by your posting the screen shots, I thought they were the same. Regardless my point remains a minor change in percentages is anything but a blip at the moment. Certainly not enough to toll the death knell of windows.
I'd be very happy to see more Mac / OSX Gaming. I'm also happy with the GPU performance on my AS MBP.
That said, Macs are also PCs (and until recently, IBM compatible PCs). It's not PC gaming, it's usually Windows gaming, as game developers are heavily in bed with Microsoft and it's one of the reasons why gaming PCs usually run windows natively. That's also the reason why I believe we will unfortunately not see an increase in native OSX games although I would wish and pay for it.
Another issue is that apple prices themselves out of the market with the desktops / performance computers. With the MacBooks they are very competive, but once you want to build a decent desktop, a mac will often cost thousands of dollars more for the same performance in terms of CPU/GPU/RAM/Storage. But that's what is used for gaming. A M1 or M2 will not run a AAA game in 4k at 60fps+ with all bells and whistles.
And for low end gaming, there is always consoles. So it's not easy to find a niche to thrive in.
But I've already found some nice games I actually play on my iphone and ipad, despite owning a Switch as well. The A14 has impressive GPU performance.
That said, Macs are also PCs (and until recently, IBM compatible PCs). It's not PC gaming, it's usually Windows gaming, as game developers are heavily in bed with Microsoft and it's one of the reasons why gaming PCs usually run windows natively. That's also the reason why I believe we will unfortunately not see an increase in native OSX games although I would wish and pay for it.
Another issue is that apple prices themselves out of the market with the desktops / performance computers. With the MacBooks they are very competive, but once you want to build a decent desktop, a mac will often cost thousands of dollars more for the same performance in terms of CPU/GPU/RAM/Storage. But that's what is used for gaming. A M1 or M2 will not run a AAA game in 4k at 60fps+ with all bells and whistles.
And for low end gaming, there is always consoles. So it's not easy to find a niche to thrive in.
But I've already found some nice games I actually play on my iphone and ipad, despite owning a Switch as well. The A14 has impressive GPU performance.
Your AS MBP can play AAA games like Resident Evil Village with the kind of performance that you’re hoping for. Have you tried it yet?
Thanks for the suggestion. I got a mouse today and bought it from the apple store. It runs beautifully on my MBP (had to activate icloud though) and the screen really shines with HDR.
it's, of course, not a gaming machine, but I'm really impressed. I hope apple works together with publishers to get more games to natively run on OSX.