1 and 3 are the same. The Pro would be about 2-3 seconds faster in scenario 2, and the Air would be about 5-10 seconds faster in scenario 4.
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1 and 3 are the same. The Pro would be about 2-3 seconds faster in scenario 2, and the Air would be about 5-10 seconds faster in scenario 4.
I have seen some pretty silly complaints about Macs over the years but whinging about the MBA sometimes taking, gasp, 5 seconds to wake up from sleep may take the prize. Somebody needs to get a life, it seems to me.
I agree with the OP. Apple has been using this marketing tactic for many years now. And with the kind of fan following that Apple has, it is easy for them to make any small feature seem magical and revolutionary.
All they did was to make the laptop hibernate after an hour of sleep. This is no big technology. Probably just a few lines of code in the OS. It might even already be there in the other macbooks. You might be able to trigger it with some terminal commands. This is what Apple markets as a magical technology. So what? An old dell or HP from 2006 can probably do the same thing if equipped with an SSD and the software to hibernate after an hour.
The point is that when apple says its "Instant on" the majority of the (albeit ignorant) population will think that this is some revolutionary new feature that no one has ever done before. If you expected this feature to work exactly as stated and then were disappointed when it didn't, then only you can be blamed for your gullibility.
But yes I agree with the OP, it is false advertising on the part of Apple. Just saying that your instant noodles takes 5 minutes to cook doesn't absolve Apple of false advertising. It only incriminates the noodles company too for false advertising.
Stating that there is no other laptop can wake up in 5 seconds is completely irrelevant. We are discussing about the MBA, and not any other laptop.
All they did was to make the laptop hibernate after an hour of sleep. This is no big technology. Probably just a few lines of code in the OS. It might even already be there in the other macbooks. You might be able to trigger it with some terminal commands. This is what Apple markets as a magical technology. So what? An old dell or HP from 2006 can probably do the same thing if equipped with an SSD and the software to hibernate after an hour.
The point is that when apple says its "Instant on" the majority of the (albeit ignorant) population will think that this is some revolutionary new feature that no one has ever done before. If you expected this feature to work exactly as stated and then were disappointed when it didn't, then only you can be blamed for your gullibility.
But yes I agree with the OP, it is false advertising on the part of Apple. Just saying that your instant noodles takes 5 minutes to cook doesn't absolve Apple of false advertising. It only incriminates the noodles company too for false advertising.
Stating that there is no other laptop can wake up in 5 seconds is completely irrelevant. We are discussing about the MBA, and not any other laptop.
No its more that everyone is sick of these apple bashing threads that make up 90% of the macrumors posts. Its old, its very tiring, and completely unwarranted especially how the macbook air is instant when you open it. Mine is. If the OPs isn't maybe they should exchange it. End of story. No need to cry to the internet about it.
Seconded. Glad to know someone else here realizes the stupidity of these kinds of threads.
Well, the MBP battery _does_ go down if you leave it unplugged overnight. Check the battery on yours before you close it in the evening, and immediately after opening it in the morning. The MBA is supposed to last 30 days in standby, so in 10 hours it should lose less than 1.5 percent of the battery charge. My MBP loses more, and I'm sure so does yours.
And five seconds to be on after not being used for an hour, I would take that gladly if the MBP would stop losing battery when closed. That said, I'd like to hear some measurements from others than the original poster with an MBA being turned off for an hour. And I just checked, it takes me about 1.5 seconds to open an MBP and get the fingers on the keyboard; in other words anything less than 1.5 seconds would make no difference to me.
The OP may be complaining about the time. Many others are simply complaining about Apple marketing something as new and revolutionary when it is not. The MBAs are phenomenal in many ways, but the instant on is old news.
I have seen some pretty silly complaints about Macs over the years but whinging about the MBA sometimes taking, gasp, 5 seconds to wake up from sleep may take the prize. Somebody needs to get a life, it seems to me.
I actually thought this is a pretty good thread. It discussed a feature about the MBA and how it operates differently than MB and MBP. Even though some may think the 5-sec wake is a non-issue, at least we all learned something new about our MBA. I would much rather see a thread like this than another "I returned my MBA today" or "will MBA handle my needs?".
I agree that the I Returned My MBA thread, started by the arrogant thin-skinned twit who has 42 employees may have been the horrible example to which all other horrible threads are compared. Nevertheless, the emotional reactions to the horror, the horror do you hear me, of the MBA sometimes taking 5 whole seconds to wake from sleep left me shaking my head. I agree, though, that in this thread at least the OP didn't brag that he had 42 employees and that another poster was probably unemployed.
I don't need the "stop whining" spiel, the MBA is clearly inferior to the last gen product and that is what I am justified in bitching about.
Apple made other compromises with the MBA such as the omission of the backlit keyboard and I feel like my complaint is just as valid. Personally, I don't find the lack of a backlit keyboard to be a problem at all.
Apple made other compromises with the MBA such as the omission of the backlit keyboard and I feel like my complaint is just as valid. Personally, I don't find the lack of a backlit keyboard to be a problem at all.
You are paying about the same price and you are getting an SSD by default.
Plus, you don't have to buy it.
Do some research first or don't complain.
Inferior? Are you insane? It's faster, cooler to the touch, doesn't have the overhearing problems, more memory (optional), greater storage, and it two sizes!
But it's inferior?
Apple clearly made compromises to get the price down (or for other reasons), but if you compare the 13" models, the Rev D is "clearly superior" to the previous revisions. There is a 4GB option, the SSD is about 2-4 times as fast, the IGP is faster, and the heat management is better, so even though the processors stayed the same, the actual performance is better. Plus, the price dropped.
If you need a backlit keyboard or infrared port, you have a legitimate gripe, but if you don't there is little to recommend the Rev B/C over the Rev D.
I have never noticed any objectionable delay in the screen lighting up after I open my MBA's lid. Whatever delay there is doesn't make any difference to me anyway because I can't do anything I want to do until the MBA's Airport client reconnects to my wireless network. That always takes a few seconds after the screen lights.
Look, I'm with you that the new MacBook Air is not instant-on as-is, at least, not as much as other Apple laptops. However, it is clear why it is so and the advantage of the 30 days stand-by time is a big bonus.
So seriously, it's not inferior. This thread was fine as long as it was a constatation of fact and trying to explain why it was so, but if you're really whining about this, you can... you know, return it.
I'm fine with the fact that it isn't "instant on".
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I think there is some interesting info between the bickering in this thread. I was curious if modifying the sleep modes on the MBA worked the same as with the older MBPs.
Honestly I think the bigger issue here is apple's refusal to acknowledge the different sleep modes in the ui the way windows does. For many 5 seconds to wake is not a big deal but I could imagine it being critical for some especially in the case of such a portable computer. If apple just let the user choose without 3rd party software or terminal tweaks everyone could be happy.
I think there is some interesting info between the bickering in this thread. I was curious if modifying the sleep modes on the MBA worked the same as with the older MBPs.
Honestly I think the bigger issue here is apple's refusal to acknowledge the different sleep modes in the ui the way windows does. For many 5 seconds to wake is not a big deal but I could imagine it being critical for some especially in the case of such a portable computer. If apple just let the user choose without 3rd party software or terminal tweaks everyone could be happy.
I agree that the I Returned My MBA thread, started by the arrogant thin-skinned twit who has 42 employees may have been the horrible example to which all other horrible threads are compared. Nevertheless, the emotional reactions to the horror, the horror do you hear me, of the MBA sometimes taking 5 whole seconds to wake from sleep left me shaking my head. I agree, though, that in this thread at least the OP didn't brag that he had 42 employees and that another poster was probably unemployed.
I came upon this thread with no hostility whatsoever, only a general curiosity as I had previously experienced a handful of situations where the computer booted up at around 5 seconds as opposed to the claimed instantaneous boot time. This only really made me scratch my head... I moved on, until I saw this thread.
You've chosen to jump into this thread and immediately claim that people are horrified by this entire ordeal... to you I say, lay off the emotion-invoking key words - it's a petty way to gain support from the people that already completely agree with you; it brings nothing to the discussion. No one was "horrified", we're only curious as to why this ONE shortcoming exists (Oh my word, one thing wrong with this product! IMPOSSIBLE, IT'S AN APPLE PRODUCT!). We get that you accept what you're given. That's awesome - honestly. However, not everyone is so nonchalant about a product not delivering on a claimed feature.
What's sad is that at the end of the day, I'll walk away from this thread just as impressed and satisfied with my MBA as the people completely unwilling to address one of it's few discrepancies, but it seems that people on your end of this argument have some misplaced pride in accepting whatever is handed to you - no questions asked. That's something I have little to no respect for, because it advances nothing, and it encourages misleading marketing and product content/ability.
But then again, I'm just another one of those countless people "bashing" Apple, right?
Five second is a big deal, when so many people insist they need 4 GB RAM (or upgrade to the faster processor) to make their MBA faster or snappier by fractions of second. I am not saying they shouldn't, but "a few seconds" in computing is a noticeable and significant time period. That said...
As the above poster pointed out, I felt a bit odd when I first noticed my MBA froze for a few seconds at wake up. But I don't think it makes the product inferior overall. I do thank the OP for bringing up the topic, and so I had learned something new about my MBA.
By the way, I wonder if this 5-second wake up is for the 4GB models; i.e., perhaps faster for the 2GB models? (1/2 the data to read/write)
5 seconds on startup is less of a big deal than the progressive thrashing that occurs if a system runs out of memory and begins paging to disk (yes, even an SSD). Also, another reason for purchasing more RAM to avoid paging to disk is that it creates less wear and tear on the SSD. SSD performance degrades over time if there is too much writing and re-writing.