Intel 12900HK is faster than M1 Max for both single and multi cores.

[vir]

I pack efficiently.

 

[playtech1]

I am really pleased we seem to be entering an age where there is real competition between CPU manufacturers and CPUs generally are showing good performance improvements. Years of stagnation on x86 and within the space of just over a year we are seeing excellent Apple Silicon and (it seems) excellent Intel silicon. AMD's Zen 4 will also probably be a nice boost to perhaps retake its top spot.

I welcome the competition - I don't want Apple resting on its laurels!

 

[Serban55]

The MSI GE66 will still heat up to 50C under load... this is not the question of size, really, it's the question of how the cooling system is designed how much heat the system outputs

20% more volume than an already large 16" Macbook pro is still big....you said 20 and not 2% right? again its 20% more than the 16" Mbp not vs the 14"
MSI GE66 the chassis never reached more than 44C on that MSI...and sorry, but the cooling can take advantage of an larger space...you cant make very very good cooling into an 12-13" laptops that are paper thin
Again the MSI GE66 has better cooling than most of the "big" laptops...and is not hot to the touch
Its better than ROG Zephyrus M16 or any razor that i had in my office

 

[vir]

Let's use calculus.

 

[Andropov]

I suggest, to settle this discussion, that you all fill your bathtubs with water, put your $3k laptops inside, and measure the rise in the water level. Then you'd have unequivocally measured the volume, finally settling wether it's a 2 or 20% difference in volume.

 

[quarkysg]

I welcome the competition - I don't want Apple resting on its laurels!

If your concern is that Apple is resting on their achievement in their SoC powers, I think we shouldn't worry too much.

Apple is not selling their SoCs, so whatever they have to achieve will be determined by the end product they want to build. So far they have been held back by what they can build from commodity components they can purchase from the open market. The SoC team will be driven by the product team, and this is what drives their march forward.

The day Apple stops innovating, IMHO, is when they do not have anymore ideas on what they want to build that their customers wants to buy.

 

[Serban55]

Actually you are, by roughly 2mm (which to you must be a big deal seeing how you see 1mm as "so much bigger") And of course one counts the feet. The feet don't magically disappear when you have to stove your laptop away.

why you argue with that user...we are here on an Intel cpu that from what i can see, i cant buy it anywhere in any form
I want to see in what laptops enclosure this will be placed

 

[Serban55]

20% more volume when you add the rubber feet and all the empty space around those rubber feet, all that phantom thickness. Which isn't volume at all. That's the opposite of volume. Should we bust out the calculus to properly measure volume. All you have to do is look at any picture of it. Any picture at all.

Ugh, I give up. Yes, it's a thick, unweildy monster and I hate it. The Zephyrus M16 sucks and it's just too big for me. It's like a giant brick from the 90s, it's so bad. I miss having the Mac, man.

finally , you told us the truth about how you feel...The truth set you freeeee

 

[leman]

(double post)

 

[bobcomer]

On the contrary, Apple would likely have greater share because Apple has advantages despite (or maybe because of) their attitude towards backwards compatibility. Meanwhile Windows without compatibility is worthless.

No. Apple's penchant for throwing backwards compatibility under the bus is not something corporate America likes. It costs big time money to rewrite for a new architecture, and it has absolutely no ROI.

 

[leman]

20% more volume than an already large 16" Macbook pro is still big....you said 20 and not 2% right? again its 20% more than the 16" Mbp not vs the 14"

Compared to the average 15" laptop, it's not really big.

MSI GE66 the chassis never reached more than 44C on that MSI...

I am looking at the numbers published by notebookcheck because they have a standard review methodology that allows to compare these things across the laptops

and sorry, but the cooling can take advantage of an larger space...you cant make very very good cooling into an 12-13" laptops that are paper thin

Of course. But you still need to do something with the hot air...

 

[vir]

We've all been suffering.

 

[brucewayne]

For many years Intel followed a tick-tock schedule of alternating between increasing performance and increasing efficiency

Since performance per watt is paramount to Apple at all times, we will likely see Apple tick tock between increasing performance on the cpu speed and the gpu (the M1 pro/max are the tock cycle)

 

[leman]

The same with PC laptops. You are rather misinformed here. I even use mine closed in clamshell mode, maxing it out without concern.

Here is a review of M16 where notebookcheck has measured over 50C on the bottom chassis under load

Asus ROG Zephyrus M16 Gaming Laptop Review: Gaming in 16:10

We review the Asus ROG Zephyrus M16 with the Intel Core i9-11900H, Nvidia GeForce RTX 3070, 32 of GB RAM and a 2 TB SSD.

www.notebookcheck.net

Here is a review of the "hot" 2019 Intel MBP where notebookcheck has measured at most 40C on the bottom of the chassis under load

Apple MacBook Pro 16 2019 Laptop Review: A convincing Core i9-9880H and Radeon Pro 5500M powered multimedia laptop

Notebookcheck.com reviews the flagship model of the MacBook Pro 16, Apple's latest multimedia laptop. The machine comes with an AMD Radeon Pro 5500M GPU and an Intel Core i9-9880H CPU, along with 16 GB of DDR4-2666 RAM and a 1 TB SSD. Read on to find out why have awarded the MacBook Pro 16 top...

www.notebookcheck.net

Which tells me you have also been suffering for the entire existence of the company, until now.

I can't say I was suffering. The last six years of stagnation in the x86 as well in the mainstream GPU market was painful though, yes. So I am very happy that I have an opportunity to have some very fast hardware in a compact and portable format, something that is not possible with the current x86+dGPU combo. The problem is power consumptions really. Appel design always made sense to me — a laptop with power draw of over 100W requires too many compromises (be it battery life, portability, display etc.). They never used a beefy GPU in the MBP because it would compromise what made MBP great as a portable workhorse. Now however, they can put a beefy GPU in there because their tech is much more power efficient.

If there would be no Apple Silicon, the new 2021 would use Tiger Lake + 6500M (a 3050 equivalent), and you would still complaining of throttling and poor GPU performance.

 

[playtech1]

If your concern is that Apple is resting on their achievement in their SoC powers, I think we shouldn't worry too much.

Apple is not selling their SoCs, so whatever they have to achieve will be determined by the end product they want to build. So far they have been held back by what they can build from commodity components they can purchase from the open market. The SoC team will be driven by the product team, and this is what drives their march forward.

The day Apple stops innovating, IMHO, is when they do not have anymore ideas on what they want to build that their customers wants to buy.

My worry is that the Mac has suffered from intermittent periods of neglect when Apple gets distracted.

The MacBook, iMac, Mac Mini, MacBook Air and Mac Pro have all had periods where they were left with only the most modest upgrades for years at a time. The MacBook Pro has received more consistent attention, but even there it took three years to fix some of the glaring issues around the keyboard. The attention on software seems to come and go.

What gives me hope is that Apple Silicon in Macs and iPads is an offshoot of its iPhone business, so hopefully it does not demand too much of Apple to translate the yearly gains in iPhone performance to the Mac side of the business.

 

[Marbles1]

This simply isn't true. Intel definitely struggles due to fab but the long term issue is that x86 and x86_64 are just inferior to aarch64 (ARM) and everyone in the world knows it now.

At a performance-per-watt ARM is always going to win and it's mostly just based on some simple things in the architecture that allow it to be.

Hi - can you explain, in simple terms, the reasons behind your last sentence?

 

[magbarn]

Here is a review of M16 where notebookcheck has measured over 50C on the bottom chassis under load

Asus ROG Zephyrus M16 Gaming Laptop Review: Gaming in 16:10

We review the Asus ROG Zephyrus M16 with the Intel Core i9-11900H, Nvidia GeForce RTX 3070, 32 of GB RAM and a 2 TB SSD.

www.notebookcheck.net

Here is a review of the "hot" 2019 Intel MBP where notebookcheck has measured at most 40C on the bottom of the chassis under load

Apple MacBook Pro 16 2019 Laptop Review: A convincing Core i9-9880H and Radeon Pro 5500M powered multimedia laptop

Notebookcheck.com reviews the flagship model of the MacBook Pro 16, Apple's latest multimedia laptop. The machine comes with an AMD Radeon Pro 5500M GPU and an Intel Core i9-9880H CPU, along with 16 GB of DDR4-2666 RAM and a 1 TB SSD. Read on to find out why have awarded the MacBook Pro 16 top...

www.notebookcheck.net

I can't say I was suffering. The last six years of stagnation in the x86 as well in the mainstream GPU market was painful though, yes. So I am very happy that I have an opportunity to have some very fast hardware in a compact and portable format, something that is not possible with the current x86+dGPU combo. The problem is power consumptions really. Appel design always made sense to me — a laptop with power draw of over 100W requires too many compromises (be it battery life, portability, display etc.). They never used a beefy GPU in the MBP because it would compromise what made MBP great as a portable workhorse. Now however, they can put a beefy GPU in there because their tech is much more power efficient.

If there would be no Apple Silicon, the new 2021 would use Tiger Lake + 6500M (a 3050 equivalent), and you would still complaining of throttling and poor GPU performance.

At least we could still play AAA titles in bootcamp!

 

[leman]

At least we could still play AAA titles in bootcamp!

Which was never officially supported by Microsoft

 

[hagjohn]

Here is a review of M16 where notebookcheck has measured over 50C on the bottom chassis under load

Asus ROG Zephyrus M16 Gaming Laptop Review: Gaming in 16:10

We review the Asus ROG Zephyrus M16 with the Intel Core i9-11900H, Nvidia GeForce RTX 3070, 32 of GB RAM and a 2 TB SSD.

www.notebookcheck.net

Here is a review of the "hot" 2019 Intel MBP where notebookcheck has measured at most 40C on the bottom of the chassis under load

Apple MacBook Pro 16 2019 Laptop Review: A convincing Core i9-9880H and Radeon Pro 5500M powered multimedia laptop

Notebookcheck.com reviews the flagship model of the MacBook Pro 16, Apple's latest multimedia laptop. The machine comes with an AMD Radeon Pro 5500M GPU and an Intel Core i9-9880H CPU, along with 16 GB of DDR4-2666 RAM and a 1 TB SSD. Read on to find out why have awarded the MacBook Pro 16 top...

www.notebookcheck.net

I can't say I was suffering. The last six years of stagnation in the x86 as well in the mainstream GPU market was painful though, yes. So I am very happy that I have an opportunity to have some very fast hardware in a compact and portable format, something that is not possible with the current x86+dGPU combo. The problem is power consumptions really. Appel design always made sense to me — a laptop with power draw of over 100W requires too many compromises (be it battery life, portability, display etc.). They never used a beefy GPU in the MBP because it would compromise what made MBP great as a portable workhorse. Now however, they can put a beefy GPU in there because their tech is much more power efficient.

If there would be no Apple Silicon, the new 2021 would use Tiger Lake + 6500M (a 3050 equivalent), and you would still complaining of throttling and poor GPU performance.

Imagine if you could overclock a AS CPU/GPU.

 

[ahurst]

Woah, this is something that doesn’t get remotely any sort of spotlight… I would be curious if your friend or someone related to him gets an M1 Pro or Max and does the same.
And while we are at it, hopefully someone could do an Alder Lake too on the same thing then.

I'm planning on picking up a 14" Pro as soon as the dust settles and will report back with results! Since 2016 I've been making due with a used ThinkPad X220 (running macOS), a machine that's 10 years old this year, so I think I'm finally due for an upgrade . Re: the Stan performance boost, my understanding is that it benefits heavily from lots of cache, with some users reporting old Sandy Bridge-era Xeon chips significantly outperforming 8700Ks and 9900Ks thanks to having double the amount of L3. Since the M1 has major single-core speed and a hefty chunk of L2 cache, it ends up being well-suited to Bayesian MCMC sampling.

 

[leman]

Welp, Anandtech review is out... in real multicore workloads (SPEC), M1 Max is faster than the desktop Core i9-11900K. In floating point workloads, its even as fast as the 16-core 5950X. Compared to intel, 40% and 100% faster than the top of the line mobile Tiger Lake i9-11980HK in the 65W mode. While consuming half the power.

I really want to see Alder Lake to match that...

 

[vir]

That's wonderful news.

 

[AndyMacAndMic]

Intel lost. They sat on their laurels for so many years and didn’t take advantage to continue innovating.

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

 

[collin_]

The way it beats M1 Max by a tiny bit while using over 4x the wattage (and that’s just going by the stated TDP; it’s likely closer to 6-7x the wattage)… Yep x86 is dead

It should also be noted that an x86 machine is going to feel much less smooth regardless of raw power due to architectural differences.

 

[AltecX]

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

Shes at least popping a cough drop incase she needs to warm up.

M1 is taking away the Apple market. ARM and AMD are making large gains on the server market, and AMD is making gains with gamers(XBox and PS4 use AMD), PC gamers, laptop and desktop market.

This is the first time in a lot of years Intel has had to go on defense while trying to developer a good offence at the same time. It looks like their strategy is trying to adopt the typical ARM big.LITTLE idea.