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Intel 12900HK is faster than M1 Max for both single and multi cores.
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I care more about innovation, technological advancement and having the best user experience than about the cost.
A computer is still a relatively small expense compared to other things in life, but I spend almost half my waking life sitting in front of one, so for me, making that time more productive and less frustrating has a high value.
If you are a casual user, I could see that the price/value balance could be different. Fortunately, there are cheaper alternatives, so few people are excluded from owning (or having access to) a computing device of some kind.
Fan for said Alder Lake….
At least it may be a little quieter 😂
At least it may be a little quieter 😂
OK...you are making quite a few claims here. Let's take a look at the bold text!
1) In at least some configurations, the new MBPs cost less than the previous ones, for much better performance. Memory and SSD upgrade prices still sting but are no worse than before.
2) Apple is a for-profit company in a capitalist society. There is no stealing involved. If they make more profit by building their own silicon, then good for them, and their stockholders. If their products are overpriced for the market then fewer people will buy them and they might need to lower their prices. If enough people buy them at the asking price, then the price is set correctly in a market economy.
3) I don't think many people consider Apple to be some kind of "nice guy". They are a business and make business decisions that improve their bottom line. If this means aligning to the liberal Zeitgeist by having progressing recycling policies, inclusive and diverse employee demography, and paying more taxes to show they are "responsible corporate citizens", then they'll do this. If they can get away with not doing it, then they'll do that. Same as pretty much any business unless it has a particular social function aimed at improving the world.
4) The expense of the machine for daily use depends on your usage and your budget. I think you mean "it is too expensive for your daily use", and that is a perfectly reasonable assessment. It's probably too much for my daily use, but I can see a few cases where I could benefit from something better than my current MBP16. I suspect many, if not most, people who buy these machines won't really need them, but that's kind of besides the point. If some rich kid wants to buy an 64GB/8TB M1 Max to watch cat videos, then that's up to them.
5) I'm sure there is a bit of self-justification going on, and I'm also guilty of considering it, because, well, I like to have good computers, and these look like they are very good computers. But no one needs to justify their purchases to other people...well, maybe their partners & family members if they are spending money they don't have. They may be unwise to spend the money, particularly on credit, but I don't have any right to apply my moral judgements on others if their choice doesn't affect me.
Why all the ad hominem? I agree that the 14-16" are too expensive, but credit where credit is due, 120hz, fastest ssds out there, big GPUs etc. I just think it's all too much for a laptop, I might bite on this chip when it pops into a Mac mini, but I'm not dumb enough to think this is for "coffee shop dwellers", it's for graphics firms, film crews, and other businesses that can justify mobile workstations like this.
I'm typing this on a M1 Air I just picked up, it's about three to four times faster than my 2012 MBP, it's all I really need for audio, and the fact it doesn't have a fan is a huge plus. I'm not bitter Apple made something geared towards other people.
The M1 Pro/Max probably *is* more than most people will actually need. I wouldn't want to say *too much for a laptop* because there are definitely use cases for this much portable power, and for many people, their laptop is their only computer, so it's also their "desktop" at home.
Irrespective of needs, a lot of people, even the "coffee shop dwellers" will want this computer, and Apple will sell a lot of them. The prices are steep, but in line with previous offerings and offering more for the money, so it's hard to say they are "too expensive". Apple could have sold them cheaper, but I suppose they just don't have to...
I don’t think people are claiming Apple is unbeatable or that these chips are perfect. I see people who are excited, have legitimate considerations, and people who are naturally skeptical of motives in this forum. Mac users for the last 20+ years have been battling the “Mac sucks - go PC” rhetoric so I think a lot of us are jaded when someone comes to these forums just to bash on Apple. Even if that wasn’t their intention, that’s how it’s perceived.
I think this persons response fits:
Good question. I have never felt the remotest urge to seek out a PC-centric forum and tell everyone how good Macs are. Presumably, they are not that interested in Macs, so what business would I have going to "their house" to tell them they are wrong?
And yes, I do read Anand Tech, look at Linus Tech Tips and others when I want to know what's going on in the non-Mac world, which let's face it, is most of the computer industry.
how many cores does Alder Lake ha..
Update: have? (sorry battery died on the Alder Lake before I can finish the qu)
update2: ....question.
Update: have? (sorry battery died on the Alder Lake before I can finish the qu)
update2: ....question.
That’s sort of how I feel too. I’m fine with some PC talk here and there if done with good intentions, as I am genuinely curious what’s going on with the competition. Good competition means we all get better products, but these forums have a lot of PC fanboys that love to bash Apple at every turn, in a forum called MACrumors.
Honestly, I think the Air has really come into its own with the M1. It’s a great little machine that punches well above its weight class, IMO. I kinda wish Apple would make a 15” version so folks didn’t have to go to the MBP to get a larger screen. Not something I would have said 2 years ago.
But I’m also glad I waited (after giving an M1 Air a spin) because I don’t think I could go back to a 13” screen, sadly. And the 16” MBP has a decent chance of being the desktop replacement I’ve been wanting for a while. Fingers crossed on that.
Jeez, man, just leave it alone. The new MacBook is just one mm ticker than the 2016 model and one mm thinner than the 2012 retina model. Your obsession with the "thickness" of these new designs are silly.
They are priced in line with other workstation laptops (or premium business laptops), and their value proposition is much better. Not everyone buys $500 crap computers.
They just delivered a $2.5k 14" workstation that outperforms $5k 17" workstations in tasks like software development and statistical modeling.
With your logic supercomputers are strictly for those who want to play tetris in the Linux shell.
Intel Alder Lake Mobility CPU Benchmarks Leaked: Faster Than The Apple M1 Max, Smokes AMD 5980HX, 11980HK
So we have something very interesting for our readers today. We were able to exclusively get our hands on the first-ever benchmarks for Intel's upcoming Alder Lake mobility processors - which are going to go head to head against the Apple M1 Max processors clawing away market share as well as...wccftech.com
LOL.
1. I'll believe it when I see tests all over YouTube by the community of testers.
2. How much you want to bet that these won't last HALF as long as an M1 on battery?
Mostly they rolled too many innovative or new features into it for my budget. I wanted to get a 32GB 4TB laptop and have it replace everything but it comes in at over 5 grand. I just can’t justify that in a laptop, too much money for that form factor.
I’m ok i with it though, because i really just wanted an excuse to get the M1 Air and one popped up on craigslist 16gb 1Tb. The main thing here is realizing that I don’t want to play beta tester for using this instead of the air connected via ethernet to the old Mac Pro with 96gb RAM for sample libraries etc. which works absolutely perfectly. I could be full of it in coming months though, if one pops up used for a reasonable price I might bite, but so far I’m ghaopy with the Air.
The i7-6920HQ (top mobile 2015 Skylake CPU) scores approximately 880 points in GB5 single core. The i9-9880H (top mobile 2018 Coffee-Lake-R CPU) scores approximately 1100 points. That's 25% improvement in almost four years. Which was mostly reached at the expense of increased power consumption. Intel progress on 14nm basically boiled down to inventing new chip branding and pushing more and more aggressive turbo boost profiles until their mobile chips were encroaching into the tower desktop territory. My Coffee Lake i9 needs 40W to write a MacRumors post. The M1 Pro/Max need 40W to run a heavy duty numerical benchmark on all CPU cores.
And it's not that others "abandoned" 14nm, they simply moved to more advanced processes, while Intel was unable to get their own 10nm work properly.
Right now Intel needs 20W to achieve the same level of performance that Apple has at 5W. What makes you think that Intel's 5nm process is going to be so advanced as to shrink their power consumption by the factor of four? The lack of efficiency in their chips is not because of process disadvantage. It's the chip design itself.
Having owned a long list of Thinkpads and the occasional HP and Dell I paid 30% more for my first MBP In 2011. It was well worth it: solid build, better screen and not having to fiddle with Windows issues. Lifetime cost was likely cheaper.
Since then I think Apples prices have been fairly constant. They do offer you large upgrades of memory and SSD which are expensive but that is your choice.
Dell XPS 13" (8GB/256Gb SSD) is $949. Apple Macbook Air with the comparable spec (which is faster and has better battery life) is $999.
Dell XPS 15" (16GB/512GB SSD/RTX 3050) is $1959 — that the option with the cheaper display btw. Apple M1 Pro 14" with the comparable spec (which is faster and has better battery life + better display) is $1999
Dell Precision 17" (32GB/512GB SSD/RTX A3000, 1920 x 1200 display) is $3299. Apple 16" M1 Max (32GB/1TB), which is faster, has much better display and battery life is $3499
So yeah, why would I buy a Dell if I am in a market for high-end laptop and not locked into Windows ecosystem?
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I just know at even the 2TB 32GB model price wise, it would never leave my house. Yes Apple Care is great these days, but still the idea that somehow I kill or get stolen from mel a $4000 laptop when you include Apple Care and tax, not something I'm comfortable with. The Air is amazing so far, in the studio I'm hooked up to a 1080p Slate Raven and around town 13.3" isn't that bad. More than willing to spend $4k on a Mac Pro Mini or whatever they call the desktop version when it comes out, but even now, most of the plug ins I use are not M1 ready anyway.
Sorry but that's just factually incorrect. Under sustained load you're looking at a 10-15% hit of the M1 MBA vs double that for any Intel laptop of a similar size WITH a fan (~30%), say Dell XPS.