Intel 12900HK is faster than M1 Max for both single and multi cores.

[Jorbanead]

I'm already in complete shambles. I am a bloody emotional trainwreck, so moved to express my bitterness at the wasted years. I really should convert back to the unwavering faith and see with clarity the folly of my erroneous thinking. It would do wonders for my health if I just believed, you know?

The M1 Max is pretty cool though, a fantastic performing CPU and gets great battery life. Nice for people who use Arm apps.

Hide behind sarcasm all you want, but I’m not browsing PC forums moaning about PC and how they suck after using PC for 3 years professionally. So clearly something has struck a nerve somewhere in you to want to spend your free time on these forums discussing how inferior Apple is to the competition.

 

[vir]

A few more days.

 

[JMacHack]

Yeah, a few more days probably, then I'm spent. It was almost 20 years for me, you understand.

You seem to care a lot, you good bro? Eating healthy, exercising, seeing a therapist? Maybe go outside for a sec and take a few deep breaths.

The MBP is good, it’s not the end of the world! I’m sure if you try you can get over it!

 

[vir]

I feel flattered.

 

[zakarhino]

Hide behind sarcasm all you want, but I’m not browsing PC forums moaning about PC and how they suck after using PC for 3 years professionally. So clearly something has struck a nerve somewhere in you to want to spend your free time on these forums discussing how inferior Apple is to the competition.

He's critiquing the company and questioning the automated Apple fan line of "Intel is finished, M1 is a quantum leap, nobody will ever be able to compete, ever!!! the chips are perfect and there's nothing that could be better."

It's cringe for people to go out of their way to defend Apple like that, just like when Tesla fans pretend nobody will ever catch up and Ford/VW should just give up now. I've seen way more Apple fans in these M1 Max related threads refusing to concede there's anything wrong with Apple Silicon than I've seen vir do the same for Intel. How many Apple fans in this thread said anything along the lines of "Nice! Looks like Intel built a faster mobile CPU than M1 Max with decent efficiency"? Instead everyone immediately got defensive and started harping on about "well it's not fair for X Y Z reasons and we haven't seen real life results yet and benchmarks don't mean anything and intel uses more energy for the same performance!" -- the exact opposite of what they said when M1 Max was unveiled last week. There are seemingly areas where Intel will do better than M1 Max and there are absolutely areas where Nvidia/AMD will do better than M1 Max (for GPU). Admitting that won't hurt you and won't detract from the quality of the M1 lineup.

Intel aren't just going to sit around doing nothing, nor will AMD. Intel are already showing signs of catching up and we haven't even seen their work with SciFive yet.

I don't really have a dog in this fight, and I can't speak for vir, but I get tired of how hard Apple fans try to explain how Apple Silicon is some unbeatable God architecture from Saturn. I think skepticism of marketing claims from companies is healthy and I think pretending like Intel/AMD will not have a response to this is cringe. I love when people "browse PC forums and moan" (your words) because it means they're not satisfied with the status quo, they actually demand better from the companies they pay money to like any good consumer should.

 

[zakarhino]

You seem to care a lot, you good bro? Eating healthy, exercising, seeing a therapist? Maybe go outside for a sec and take a few deep breaths.

The MBP is good, it’s not the end of the world! I’m sure if you try you can get over it!

This level of condescension speaks more to your need for "a few deep breaths" than it does vir's.

 

[KPOM]

He's critiquing the company and questioning the automated Apple fan line of "Intel is finished, M1 is a quantum leap, nobody will ever be able to compete, ever!!! the chips are perfect and there's nothing that could be better."

Intel aren't just going to sit around doing nothing, nor will AMD. Intel are already showing signs of catching up and we haven't even seen their work with SciFive yet.

I don't really have a dog in this fight, and I can't speak for vir, but I get tired of how hard Apple fans try to explain how Apple Silicon is some unbeatable God architecture from Saturn. I think skepticism of marketing claims from companies is healthy and I think pretending like Intel/AMD will not have a response to this is cringe. I love when people "browse PC forums and moan" (your words) because it means they're not satisfied with the status quo, they actually demand better from the companies they pay money to like any good consumer should.

While Alder Lake looks like a decent upgrade from Tiger Lake (itself a decent upgrade from Ice Lake), what Apple has shown are that a) ARM is a viable ISA around which to build PC-class CPUs, and b) there are advantages of taking designs in-house. The bigger risk to Intel is that companies like Google or Microsoft take a similar approach. Google is already designing its own mobile chips. In a few years those could make their way into ChromeBooks. Similarly, Microsoft could decide to design its own ARM-based CPUs rather than use the Qualcomm off-the-sheld designs.

Intel does seem to be hedging their bets by separating the foundry business into a new line. That’s an obvious way to potentially win back Apple in the future.

 

[Andropov]

I don't really have a dog in this fight, and I can't speak for vir, but I get tired of how hard Apple fans try to explain how Apple Silicon is some unbeatable God architecture from Saturn. I think skepticism of marketing claims from companies is healthy and I think pretending like Intel/AMD will not have a response to this is cringe. I love when people "browse PC forums and moan" (your words) because it means they're not satisfied with the status quo, they actually demand better from the companies they pay money to like any good consumer should.

Oh FFS what do yo want people to say on an Apple forum the week after Apple presents a new SoC that smokes the competition? It *is* a great new chip, maybe not an unbeatable God architecture from Saturn but it's natural that people get excited. Let people enjoy things.

 

[Taz Mangus]

Intel has their work cutout for them.

 

[zakarhino]

Oh FFS what do yo want people to say on an Apple forum the week after Apple presents a new SoC that smokes the competition? It *is* a great new chip, maybe not an unbeatable God architecture from Saturn but it's natural that people get excited. Let people enjoy things.

I got excited too, I think it's an awesome chip and I have an M1 Max arriving tomorrow. I admit I also made posts pre-announcement daydreaming about what kind of brainbending performance the new chips would have.

Again, it's a great chip but I'm primarily directing my comment at the people refusing to say anything good about the competition. Alder Lake packs more punch in a mobile chip? Oh, that's not relevant because it uses more power. RTX 3080 performs better at certain GPU tasks? Oh, that's not relevant because it uses more power. etc. etc. It just gets kinda cringe to see people shifting the goalposts on a post by post basis because they think it's a sin to admit there's anything redeemable about the competition.

 

[vir]

I want freedom.

 

[huge_apple_fangirl]

To explain my headspace, whenever I ask myself what I want, the answer usually comes to "total freedom and the widest net of compatibility". For 15+ years that's been an Intel Mac with a vibrant native macOS software selection that could also triple boot if you so desired. A developer's wet dream. That went down the drain fierce and swift with the one-two punch of Catalina and Apple Silicon. It's just... all gone. You see my rancor now.

You can still use Mojave and an Intel Mac if you want. (Is Mojave still getting security updates?)

 

[zakarhino]

To explain my headspace, whenever I ask myself what I want, the answer usually comes to "total freedom and the widest net of compatibility"

Amen to that. The ideal trend should be towards more generalized hardware and more open software that people can modify in all sorts of ways depending on their workflow. Instead we're getting more and more specialized hardware/software that will ensure the backbone of future computing is controlled/owned by a small set of companies.

 

[raknor]

He's critiquing the company and questioning the automated Apple fan line of "Intel is finished, M1 is a quantum leap, nobody will ever be able to compete, ever!!! the chips are perfect and there's nothing that could be better."

That's quite a bit of conjecture and not inline with his behavior.

I've seen way more Apple fans in these M1 Max related threads refusing to concede there's anything wrong with Apple Silicon than I've seen vir do the same for Intel.

You have very selective memory then.

How many Apple fans in this thread said anything along the lines of "Nice! Looks like Intel built a faster mobile CPU than M1 Max with decent efficiency"?

Hopefully none.. mainly because the data presented is not verifiable.
1) The geekbench results posted don't exist on the main geekbench site.
All that was posted is a screen shot on the rag wccftech.
2) There are no power numbers to judge efficiency.
3) The SKU posted is of the top of the line model i9-12900HK. 6% faster single core and 4% faster Multicore (With 4 extra cores mind you) on geekbench.
There is no need to even compare it to the M1 Max.. The 10 Core M1 Pro will post similar numbers on geekbench CPU. So Intel's top spec Alder Lake SKU will compete with Apple's Mid Tier SoC in geekbench, is all we can concluded from the leaks. The i9-12900HK will not have an iGPU (32 EU) that will come close to performance of a M1 Pro..let alone the Max. Nor will it have the memory bandwidth of even the M1 Pro to compete in many workloads.

I don't really have a dog in this fight, and I can't speak for vir, but I get tired of how hard Apple fans try to explain how Apple Silicon is some unbeatable God architecture from Saturn.

Let's make up a straw man instead ..I am tried of this strategy too.

 

[zakarhino]

Let's make up a straw man instead ..I am tried of this strategy too.

Literally read the first three pages of this thread. Everything from "yeah it might be faster but it'll turn on the fans" or "yeah but how many ProRes streams can it handle" or "muh TDP" or "benchmarks don't mean anything"

It's fascinating that you think me calling out Apple stans is somehow a "straw man" when the Apple stan archetype that refuses to acknowledge anything negative about Apple is universally agreed upon as being a thing.

 

[thingstoponder]

I've always been of the position that Apple (or ARM) is not magical and that other companies, especially one dedicated to making microprocessors, can be competitive. Intel has had trouble producing processors on anything other than 14nm for quite some time. As the M1 is manufactured on 4nm process technology that alone gives it a big step up on Intel. That said until Alder Lake ships and is in systems which can be benchmarked I am not going to declare it a winner.

Either way competition is a good thing.

The magical part is how low power it is. Pure performance isn’t everything.

 

[zarathu]

To explain my headspace, whenever I ask myself what I want, the answer usually comes to "total freedom and the widest net of compatibility". For 15+ years that's been an Intel Mac with a vibrant native macOS software selection that could also triple boot Windows and Linux if you so desired. A developer's wet dream. That went down the drain fierce and swift with the one-two punch of Catalina and Apple Silicon. It's just... all gone. You see my rancor now.

yeah....mmmm. Things change now and then, don’t they.

 

[raknor]

Literally read the first three pages of this thread. Everything from "yeah it might be faster but it'll turn on the fans" or "yeah but how many ProRes streams can it handle" or "muh TDP" or "benchmarks don't mean anything"

Do you have power numbers to prove them wrong? Let's see it.

It's fascinating that you think me calling out Apple stans is somehow a "straw man" when the Apple stan archetype that refuses to acknowledge anything negative about Apple is universally agreed upon as being a thing.

You made up hyperbolic claims to get on your high horse defending a person that is in multiple threads exhibiting a certain behavior. I'd call that a straw man.

This Apple fan Archetype straw man is what I am talking about.. what is hilarious this thread was started by the opposite of that archetype in the same ilk as the person you are defending. That alone puts to bed your argument.

 

[vir]

Have my warmest regards.

 

[MBAir2010]

You can still use Mojave and an Intel Mac if you want. (Is Mojave still getting security updates?)

dont think so, im sticking with Mojave and my 2010 MBA and check frequently!
today  offered Monterrey tho, i'll pass!
and
ain't the Ryzen chip is supposed to be the fastest evah?

 

[machinesworking]

Feeding trolls just makes forums into trash. It’s not at all surprising that a new chip comes out that is as fast as the M1, and it’s not deflection to call into question thermals, that’s most of the battle with chip advancement. No one should be surprised that people on a site called macrumors are overtly excited by the new chips, and no one should be surprised that someone decides to troll the forums who has some beef with Apple.

it’s just ridiculously tedious to read.

 

[crazy dave]

Intel aren't just going to sit around doing nothing, nor will AMD. Intel are already showing signs of catching up and we haven't even seen their work with SciFive yet.

According to Bloomberg that just fell through:

Intel’s Talks for Chip Designer SiFive Have Ended Without a Deal

Intel Corp.’s talks with chip designer SiFive Inc. have ended without a deal and the startup will seek outside investment instead, according to people with knowledge of the matter.

www.bloomberg.com

Of course the future is not set and it may still happen, but sounds like not right now

 

[machinesworking]

This is more interesting to me than Intel nudging a little more out of x86. https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-and-amd-reportedly-partner-create-powerful-arm-laptop-chip

 

[vir]

I do not matter.

 

[KPOM]

This is more interesting to me than Intel nudging a little more out of x86. https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-and-amd-reportedly-partner-create-powerful-arm-laptop-chip

Interesting. If true, I guess it means Microsoft has more faith in AMD’s ability to produce a good ARM-based chip than Qualcomm’s.