Intel 12900HK is faster than M1 Max for both single and multi cores.

[KPOM]

Feeding trolls just makes forums into trash. It’s not at all surprising that a new chip comes out that is as fast as the M1, and it’s not deflection to call into question thermals, that’s most of the battle with chip advancement. No one should be surprised that people on a site called macrumors are overtly excited by the new chips, and no one should be surprised that someone decides to troll the forums who has some beef with Apple.

it’s just ridiculously tedious to read.

Overall, here are my takeaways:

• After 5 years of stagnation, it’s GOOD that Intel processors are improving. Consumers benefit.
• Intel still has some work to do to fully “catch up” to what Apple has done with M1 Pro/Max, particularly regarding power consumption.
• Competition is a good thing.
• I can totally see Apple contracting with Intel in the future to produce Apple’s own designs at Intel’s foundries.

 

[zakarhino]

Interesting. If true, I guess it means Microsoft has more faith in AMD’s ability to produce a good ARM-based chip than Qualcomm’s.

Could be related to Microsoft Azure's work with AMD.

 

[raknor]

Alder Lake packs more punch in a mobile chip? Oh, that's not relevant because it uses more power.

What’s wrong with pointing out power consumption? Every single reviewer is waxing lyrical about how cool and quite the new Macs run with very minimal fan activation while producing previously unheard of performance.

Are Alder Lake chips out for people to actually review them yet? Where can I see AnandTech’s review of the i9-12900HK?

Alder Lake’s performance is completely irrelevant to a was majority of Mac users. It doesn’t matter if it is God Tier performance.

RTX 3080 performs better at certain GPU tasks? Oh, that's not relevant because it uses more power. etc. etc.

Again irrelevant to vast majority of the Mac Users. It’s faint praise to say NVidia’s, that has been making GPU’s for decades, best mobile chip is only better at certain GPU tasks while consuming vastly more power.

Especially when compared to a Company’s first ever big GPU. Something most said couldn’t be done. Apple will not catch up to AMD or NVidia’s dGPUs was all we heard when the M1 was announced. There were countless threads debating if the pro macs would use dGPUs from AMD. But Apple changes the game and people come out of the woodwork to poo poo the achievement and some how pointing out the flaws in their argument is suddenly the main problem.

Why get butthurt that fans of a product/ company are excited about it?

It just gets kinda cringe to see people shifting the goalposts on a post by post basis because they think it's a sin to admit there's anything redeemable about the competition.

This is such a rubbish stance. It’s not cringe for vir and sunny5 to shift goalposts to prevent Apple from getting credit for an achievement most people said could not be done?

You really think it is ok for Vir to say a product that is 1.3 mm thicker is massive and in the same breath claiming a product that is 3.1 mm thicker is not really that big. Come on it is so obvious what the agenda is there and we are not even in the realm of opinion there!

 

[JamieLannister]

Overall, here are my takeaways:

• After 5 years of stagnation, it’s GOOD that Intel processors are improving. Consumers benefit.
• Intel still has some work to do to fully “catch up” to what Apple has done with M1 Pro/Max, particularly regarding power consumption.
• Competition is a good thing.
• I can totally see Apple contracting with Intel in the future to produce Apple’s own designs at Intel’s foundries.

What a load of garbage. Consumers benefit? Prices just keep climbing astronomically regardless of who is in the lead.

 

[vir]

The MBP is outstanding.

 

[raknor]

Apple has made an outstanding achievement, and the new MBP is not massive.

So you spent all that effort saying the opposite for?

 

[huge_apple_fangirl]

My prediction is that Arm will saturate the marketplace over the next decade and a half, and Apple, wanting to differentiate and wanting even more control, will move to their own instruction set.

Apple didn't move to ARM to differentiate itself from x86 (that didn't really work out with PPC anyways). They used it because it is an instruction set that anyone who pays a license fee can use. The fact that there is also a massive, growing ARM software ecosystem is a plus to Apple. Using some bespoke proprietary instruction set would make things much harder for developers, and if the whole market moved to ARM it would be good for Apple. They have the best ARM chips and nobody else would be able to claim they had a compatibility advantage because of x86. The more companies invest in ARM, the more software there is for ARM and M1 by extension (ex. Amazon helping devs port tools to ARM for Graviton).

Apple doesn't differentiate itself just for the sake of it. They aren't going to create their own ISA just to be different. The only reason I could see them switching ISAs in the future for "more control" is if the NVIDIA Arm deal goes through and NVIDIA starts pushing ARM in a direction Apple doesn't want to go. Apple actually has a good deal of influence over the ISA today, but maybe NVIDIA will change that. I think that's unlikely though, and it would be many years in the future.

 

[huge_apple_fangirl]

Interesting. If true, I guess it means Microsoft has more faith in AMD’s ability to produce a good ARM-based chip than Qualcomm’s.

So do I.

 

[KPOM]

What a load of garbage. Consumers benefit? Prices just keep climbing astronomically regardless of who is in the lead.

How so? If Apple “overcharges” then people will just buy Dell or HP machines.

 

[zakarhino]

What’s wrong with pointing out power consumption? Every single reviewer is waxing lyrical about how cool and quite the new Macs run with very minimal fan activation while producing previously unheard of performance.

Are Alder Lake chips out for people to actually review them yet? Where can I see AnandTech’s review of the i9-12900HK?

Alder Lake’s performance is completely irrelevant to a was majority of Mac users. It doesn’t matter if it is God Tier performance.



Again irrelevant to vast majority of the Mac Users. It’s faint praise to say NVidia’s, that has been making GPU’s for decades, best mobile chip is only better at certain GPU tasks while consuming vastly more power.

Especially when compared to a Company’s first ever big GPU. Something most said couldn’t be done. Apple will not catch up to AMD or NVidia’s dGPUs was all we heard when the M1 was announced. There were countless threads debating if the pro macs would use dGPUs from AMD. But Apple changes the game and people come out of the woodwork to poo poo the achievement and some how pointing out the flaws in their argument is suddenly the main problem.

Why get butthurt that fans of a product/ company are excited about it?


This is such a rubbish stance. It’s not cringe for vir and sunny5 to shift goalposts to prevent Apple from getting credit for an achievement most people said could not be done?

You really think it is ok for Vir to say a product that is 1.3 mm thicker is massive and in the same breath claiming a product that is 3.1 mm thicker is not really that big. Come on it is so obvious what the agenda is there and we are not even in the realm of opinion there!

Not reading all that, I don’t care enough. I just don’t like fandom of large powerful corporations like Apple, especially when it causes people to soak up marketing lines as gospel, or when they defend a company simply because they think a company’s “innovation” justifies the bad that they do, or any other pattern of behavior not befitting of a good skeptical customer in a supposed free market.

I believe all that regardless of what Vir or anyone says, including you.

 

[vir]

I looked elsewhere.

 

[KPOM]

Not reading all that, I don’t care enough. I just don’t like fandom of large powerful corporations like Apple, especially when it causes people to soak up marketing lines as gospel, or when they defend a company simply because they think a company’s “innovation” justifies the bad that they do, or any other pattern of behavior not befitting of a good skeptical customer in a supposed free market.

I believe all that regardless of what Vir or anyone says, including you.

Apple is a for-profit company. As a shareholder I benefit when people buy their products. Overall I’ve made a lot more on my investment than I have spent on their products.

 

[KPOM]

It's an outstanding achievement that I didn't want, and caused me to have to look elsewhere to continue working the way I do. That's all.

As for thickness, I think you misunderstood. None of these laptops are thick at all. But they are thicker than the MBPs of the last 9 years. Here is a good comparison (this is not meant as an attack):

I would be fine with that. I am fine with that. I have a similar difference between the PC and older MBP in my possession.

The new models appear thicker than they really are because they no longer taper. They are objectively heavier than their predecessors, though. It’s the same design philosophy with the new iPhones.

 

[raknor]

Not reading all that, I don’t care enough. I just don’t like fandom of large powerful corporations

Fandom of Intel or NVidia is ok? Cool story bro, totally bought it!

like Apple, especially when it causes people to soak up marketing lines as gospel, or when they defend a company simply because they think a company’s “innovation” justifies the bad that they do, or any other pattern of behavior not befitting of a good skeptical customer in a supposed free market.

No one is soaking marketing gospel if independent tests prove them right, as they have.

I believe all that regardless of what Vir or anyone says, including you.

If you believe that I have bad news for you about Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy!

 

[960design]

...resting on their name while Apple and AMD passed them up.

My mind was blown back in 2017 when AMD came out with the Threadripper class chip.
My mind is hoping to be blown again when we get M1 Pro and Max benchmarks from users.

 

[raknor]

It's an outstanding achievement that I didn't want, and caused me to have to look elsewhere to continue working the way I do. That's all.

So you feel compelled to tell people online about it incessantly? That’s really strange!

As for thickness, I think you misunderstood. None of these laptops are thick at all. But they are thicker than the MBPs of the last 9 years. Here is a good comparison (this is not meant as an attack)

I don’t think I did. Even if I did I am sure all the others didn’t either.

It is 0.6mm thicker than last years model. You kept arguing the asus M16 which is 3.6 mm thicker is not that much thicker. Why bring up the M16 when you were actually talking about previous years MacBook pros?

I would be fine with that. I am fine with that. I have a similar difference between the PC and older MBP in my possession.

3.6 mm is not similar difference to 1.3mm or 0.6 mm, this is not even debatable.

 

[LoopsOfFury]

Could be related to Microsoft Azure's work with AMD.

More likely it's Microsoft's Xbox work with AMD.

 

[FlyingTexan]

Personally, if Intel is not pivoting to ARM design they are going to be left behind. They should start doing that, fabrication and form some type of partnership with a company like Qualcomm.

That's like everyone should be driving an electric vehicle when most the world doesn't even have the grids and infrastructure to handle it. Let everyone that wants to go ARM go ARM but there's still plenty of future for x86.

 

[vir]

I need self-control.

 

[FlyingTexan]

Look... Apple has done something amazing, for sure, but they also had all the time in the world and the ability to create an OS to match. The m1 is still limited. That's shrinking by the day but it is. Intel still has a lot of technical knowhow that will keep on giving. Don't get too jumpy that because Apple did something crazy that intel can't look at it and know how to make it better. Their biggest issue is they've held the crown for so long they didn't know which direction the next blow would come from.

When people talk efficiencies maybe look at the other point of view of how much Intel has squeezed out of the the 14nm process when others had already abandoned it. They didn't abandon it really because of their abilities but because they contracted it to TSMC who developed using different wavelengths to get to those smaller sizes. But Intel has hung on in ways people said wasn't possible. If they manage to get a 5nm manufacturing method up and running in their factories they could very well smoke everyone due to how efficient they could make that chip at that nm.

 

[Fomalhaut]

What a load of garbage. Consumers benefit? Prices just keep climbing astronomically regardless of who is in the lead.

Consumers benefit because competition leads to innovation to match or exceed your competitors. Consumers end up with better products. This is nothing to do with price.

 

[JamieLannister]

Consumers benefit because competition leads to innovation to match or exceed your competitors. Consumers end up with better products. This is nothing to do with price.

Has everything to do with price unless you have some money trees in the back yard.

 

[JamieLannister]

How so? If Apple “overcharges” then people will just buy Dell or HP machines.

You know exactly what the apple tax entails. People buy dells and hp’s because they have value for their hard earned dollars.

 

[Bandaman]

My mind was blown back in 2017 when AMD came out with the Threadripper class chip.
My mind is hoping to be blown again when we get M1 Pro and Max benchmarks from users.

Yeah, it's been a pretty fun few years in the computer world.

 

[JamieLannister]

I’m sure all you peeps that say how apple innovates and encourages competition is good will be the same ones that pay 3x the cost for the next iteration of their laptops.

Look folks what apple has done is commendable. But these prices are getting way out of hand. Since now apple owns their own hardware and literally not apples to oranges here anymore we know the sort of profits they can steal.

Don’t pretend what apple does makes this world a better place. If you need to encode videos with proRes support then this machine is built for you. Otherwise this is a too expensive machine for daily use.

Notch or notch doesn’t bother me. What bothers me is the amount of koolaid you guys drink just to justify paying for one unless you make money hand over fist. For gamers please do not fall trap to this nonsense. Game on your consoles and almighty pc’s that are modern marvels with cool liquid cooling and designs all around. Apple hardware is strictly for YouTubers (aka content creators) and coffee shop dwellers these days.