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Intel Alder Lake vs. Apple M1
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Synthethic benchmars are *******. If you need a powerful stuff like M1 Max or 12900 the best way to see what comes on the top is to use your workflow on both. But honestly if you are that power hungry I have to ask why are you using a laptop in the first place. Sure with Apple you have no choice if you are constrained to few thousands of dollars but for Windows or Linux you definetely don't need that power hungy laptop.
Because not everyone has the (questionablue) luxury of a stationary workspace? Not being the tethered to a desktop workstation has its advantages.
It looks like Apple retains the top position in power efficiency which is critically important in mobile machines.
However, the performance gap is closing fast. You know, intel has been lowering our expectation for long times, but because of this, we kinda take horrible power efficiency of intel chips in mobile as granted somehow.
By that sentiment, I think what intel and AMD are offering this year looks promising, at the same time, I know it's going to be hot, literally.
But since I can't give up on Windows, it's reassuring to see at least that they are catching up.
However, the performance gap is closing fast. You know, intel has been lowering our expectation for long times, but because of this, we kinda take horrible power efficiency of intel chips in mobile as granted somehow.
By that sentiment, I think what intel and AMD are offering this year looks promising, at the same time, I know it's going to be hot, literally.
But since I can't give up on Windows, it's reassuring to see at least that they are catching up.
I doubt it consumes 80-90W unplugged (assuming you meant that, and for CPU package power). The cinebench R23 MT run on battery shows the CPU package consuming 23W on average, which is surprisingly low.
That laptop appears to be aggressively limiting power consumption on battery.
Still, the score is only ~80% that of an M1, which consumes 15.4W (package power) during cinebench MT. ( ).
That's not particularly impressive for a CPU with more cores (hence, that cinebench should favour).
I'm far more interested in the new i7 for my laptop at work. I'll save the i9's for the desktop where you can cool them all they need.
Anyone using a secondary monitor has a stationary workspace, and it seems to be really common, even in Windows land. (though I will try to get the bosses to want a desktop and a laptop if they want both ways.) I have multiple desktops and laptops myself.
A fast desktop is a lot cheaper than a fast laptop. (and faster.
Anyone using a secondary monitor has a stationary workspace, and it seems to be really common, even in Windows land. (though I will try to get the bosses to want a desktop and a laptop if they want both ways.) I have multiple desktops and laptops myself.
A fast desktop is a lot cheaper than a fast laptop. (and faster.
The biggest advantage of a desktop PC, is upgradability. If a new CPU comes out, it is super cheap to upgrade.
Intel is a bit more difficult historically since you often need to buy a new motherboard, but with AMD, you only need to upgrade the CPU most of the time as it is backward compatibility.
If you want more GPU, super easy, just put in a RTX 3090 or RTX 4090 instead of buying a whole new computer, like what you have to do on a laptop.
I'd say that AMD has worked harder on maintaining compatibility. Computer components are expensive right now and it's not clear that that's going to change in the near future. I think that Intel is going to change again after 13th gen too. I am basically on a build strike until GPUs come down and I'm leaning towards AMD because of their reputation of compatibility. If I didn't have Windows software requirements, I would look to going completely macOS.
I was talking about plugged performance of the ADL chips. That CB23 performs suboptimally on M1 and is unable to properly take advantage of its SIDM units is known.
I have a secondary monitor. In my office. That I am not allowed to use because of Covid restrictions. Even before the Covid restrictions I worked 40% of time from home. And I have to go to meetings regularly. And teach. And so on. Point being, generalised solutions don't work for everyone. If you have a luxury of a single workspace, great. None of people with whom I work do.
Maybe super easy in 2025 or now if you are able to find one (at more than 2X the retail price)
I’m concerned with current trends that you may have to upgrade your psu every two gens or so. It wasn’t very long ago that a 1000 watt psu was “overkill”, and now it’s almost necessary with a midrange pc.
Between a new mobo every two gens (on Intel at least), new gpu, new motherboard, it’s getting to the point where you have to upgrade nearly everything by the time upgrades become necessary.
I predict late 2023-2024. Sooner if eth goes proof of stake finally. If mining profitability crashes the used market will flood with ex-mining gpus.
That's a bit of a stretch. Most midrange desktop PC's don't need power hungry GPU's. Even my i9 PC at home with GPU only has a 500 Watt PS, and most at work have less than 350W. Our servers have 1000 or 1200 (with redundant PS's), but nothing else. I don't game...
My i7-10700 has a 450 Watt PSU which I thought would be good for a few builds as my CPU is 65 Watts (TDP) and GPU is about 75 Watts. Little did I realize the Intel TDP is more of a suggestion than a hard power limit. I think that it will run up to 115 watts at load.
Other than RAM, we don't upgrade PC's, it's easier to get new (with warrantee) and move the old PC to another user. We don't need GPU's, but you're right, that is a big strength of desktops!
Makes you wonder, if Apples hardware is as good as said, why resellers (like Amazon) are not jacking prices up with the shortage Apple is facing.
I was speaking from the perspective of people who game really, where gpu power is king. But you’re right to a point, cpu wattage hasn’t grown as much as gpu wattage.
Likely because Apple has a strict policy agains that kind of stuff and not even Amazon would want to risk losing Apple's business.
Wait, I knew Apple prevented sellers from selling under MSRP, but this is the first I've heard of them preventing sellers from raising the price.
I figured that was the case, I just wanted to draw attention to that difference. Just plain office work PC's, even fast ones, don't really need that kind of power.
The standard config where I used to work was a 2015 MacBook Pro 13 which doesn't have a dGPU. This was for everyone, engineers, marketing, management. Of course many of us just bought our own hardware and used it - the downside of that, besides spending for it, was that you had to have all of the tracking and security software installed on it and you couldn't remove it outside of wiping the OS.
If it’s for products that Apple is supplying directly yes Apple controls that. Can you imagine the negative publicity Apple would face if they allowed something like what is going on with Sony and Microsoft consoles to happen with the new M1 MacBook Pro.
It would be cool if AMD and nVidia did that too.
I think I might have worded my post a bit ambiguously
I didn't mean to suggest that as some sort of a hard fact, frankly, I have no clue whatsoever. It's just that I have often seen resellers offer Apple products under the official price, but never over it. Given that we know that some companies prohibit resellers from raising the price when the demand is high (no doubt to maintain the quality of the brand), it seems to me quite likely that Apple might do the same.There is some ridiculous folklore about power supplies among people who build gaming PCs. GPU manufacturers already recommend using bigger power supplies than necessary, because some people may have a low-quality low-efficiency PSU. Then gamers buy expensive high-end PSUs and often choose a bit bigger unit than recommended just in case.
For example, the iMac 27" uses ~300 W under full load. A GPU manufacturer might recommend a 500-600 W PSU for a similar system, and a gamer might buy a 650 W or 750 W PSU with a 80 Plus Platinum / Titanium certification. Meanwhile, Apple ships the iMac with a 300 W PSU.
The good thing about this overengineering is that if you upgrade the GPU by two generations and one tier, the PSU will still probably be good enough. I recently replaced a GTX 1060 (120 W) with an RX 6700 XT (230 W), and the 600 W PSU is still sufficient and the fans remain almost silent.