Fully agree. most of the time, not 'We wait for the CPU' but 'CPU waits for us'.
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Fully agree. most of the time, not 'We wait for the CPU' but 'CPU waits for us'.
I have it on a MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2018) with the 2.6GHz Core i7-8850H, 32GB of RAM and the Radeon Pro 560X (and Intel UHD 630, of course). Animations are not as snappy as they were before. But I'm also running it on the oldest 15-inch machine supported (and it's not like the last two generations of 15-inch MacBook Pro weren't performance-limited by "thinnovation"). It's otherwise fine.
I would be sad if performance sucked on a decent MacBook Pro (16-inch, 2019) configuration. Though, it's also only a matter of time before Apple stops building macOS for Intel Macs at all.
I would be sad if performance sucked on a decent MacBook Pro (16-inch, 2019) configuration. Though, it's also only a matter of time before Apple stops building macOS for Intel Macs at all.
I nuke my 2019 15” MBP every time I install a new macOS. After a full backup, I delete saved fingerprints, logout of iCloud/Messages/etc, reset SMC and NVRAM, boot new OS from bootable USB, partition/format drive and install everything fresh. I then import my music and email, reinstall apps. It’s a laborious process but I only do it once a year and I’ve never had any major problems or had to track down gremlins or incompatibilites.
Having said all that, 15.0 runs just as well or better than 11.0 thru 14.x.x. Animations seem no less snappy, all my VMs run well in Parallels, Affinity and Office apps are fine. I run in clamshell mode with a Brydge vertical stand and Brydge TB3 hub with a couple USB-A spinning drives, a SSD drive, SD card reader and DisplayPort running a 4K display with Logitech Brio 4K camera, Apple Trackpad, Magic Keyboard and Magic Mouse. No excessive fan noise unless I’m running 3 VMs or one Teams session (Teams sucks resources-wise). Still not as snappy as Mojave, which I keep on a bootable SSD.
I’m actually happy I’ve got three more years of support for my Intel Mac. This should get me far enough along that my workflow and reliance on some x86 stuff declines and I can line up for an M6 when the time comes.
Having said all that, 15.0 runs just as well or better than 11.0 thru 14.x.x. Animations seem no less snappy, all my VMs run well in Parallels, Affinity and Office apps are fine. I run in clamshell mode with a Brydge vertical stand and Brydge TB3 hub with a couple USB-A spinning drives, a SSD drive, SD card reader and DisplayPort running a 4K display with Logitech Brio 4K camera, Apple Trackpad, Magic Keyboard and Magic Mouse. No excessive fan noise unless I’m running 3 VMs or one Teams session (Teams sucks resources-wise). Still not as snappy as Mojave, which I keep on a bootable SSD.
I’m actually happy I’ve got three more years of support for my Intel Mac. This should get me far enough along that my workflow and reliance on some x86 stuff declines and I can line up for an M6 when the time comes.
MacBook Pro 16" 64gb ram, 5600m gpu.
Feels the same speed as previous OS. Not as fast and snappy as when it came installed with El Capitan. I think every year's upgrade slows it down slightly. But not noticeable each year.
I think I'm going to upgrade in 2025. This is the longest time I've used a single computer for this many year for full-time work 8hr/day. I got very good use out of it and made many year's salary working on it. Good stuff.
Feels the same speed as previous OS. Not as fast and snappy as when it came installed with El Capitan. I think every year's upgrade slows it down slightly. But not noticeable each year.
I think I'm going to upgrade in 2025. This is the longest time I've used a single computer for this many year for full-time work 8hr/day. I got very good use out of it and made many year's salary working on it. Good stuff.
So far, the only difficulty I've been having is getting MacPorts to build libxmi - which is erroring on a gcc issue (X86_64 architecture issues - someone's not using the right flags somewhere). preventing me from building Hugin (which doesn't work from the download) and Wireshark (litmus test - the download does work). Otherwise, everything has been working well.
might wanna lock your icons in place aka clean up, that happens to me on sonoma, i just deal with since im not even supposed to be running it on a mac pro 5,1
What do people use iPhone mirroring for? Can everyone give me some examples?
I have found that if I have a bluetooth audio device connected to Mac, then if I want to play something from the iPhone through that audio device, I can use iPhone mirroring without having to switch the bluetooth connection to the iPhone and disconnecting from the Mac first.
I have found that if I have a bluetooth audio device connected to Mac, then if I want to play something from the iPhone through that audio device, I can use iPhone mirroring without having to switch the bluetooth connection to the iPhone and disconnecting from the Mac first.
Came to the same sad conclusion after installing Sequoia on Imac 2017. The decrease in performance in games is noticeable. System processes analyzing media content and photos load the processor above 100 percent. I left the computer alone for a while - the fan started howling. I waited a week for these processes to calm down. They didn't. The screensaver has long been beyond the Intel processor's capabilities. Also overheating and fan noise. Somewhere I read a review that Sequoia is more responsive than Sonoma. I have the opposite impression. It is heavy, slows down work significantly. For Apple silicone this may not be difficult, but Intel clearly can't cope. Kaby Lake does not pull. 32 GB of memory do not make the task easier. So I agree with the author of the topic. Although everyone will have to experience it for themselves.
I would like to install Sequoia on MBP 14.3 (2017) but there are other problems. The screen brightness is not adjusted, the backlight does not turn on after waking up, there are problems with the rights for applications. I am tired of waiting for mercy and hoping that someone will do something. Sonoma works and there, thanks.
The decrease in productivity is not felt. This is confirmed by tests. The idle temperature is higher by 8-10 degrees Celsius. Some optimists see a process kernel task that takes up to 25% of the computing power. In addition to the fact that it takes up to two terabytes of virtual memory and contains up to half a million errors. And something else (picture included). For some reason, no one notices all these "little things". Sequoia works, hurray. Why is it needed at such a price?
P.S. The kernel task process is not Sequoia. It is Intel Power Gadget + iStat Menus. They have long been impossible to use.
I would like to install Sequoia on MBP 14.3 (2017) but there are other problems. The screen brightness is not adjusted, the backlight does not turn on after waking up, there are problems with the rights for applications. I am tired of waiting for mercy and hoping that someone will do something. Sonoma works and there, thanks.
The decrease in productivity is not felt. This is confirmed by tests. The idle temperature is higher by 8-10 degrees Celsius. Some optimists see a process kernel task that takes up to 25% of the computing power. In addition to the fact that it takes up to two terabytes of virtual memory and contains up to half a million errors. And something else (picture included). For some reason, no one notices all these "little things". Sequoia works, hurray. Why is it needed at such a price?
P.S. The kernel task process is not Sequoia. It is Intel Power Gadget + iStat Menus. They have long been impossible to use.
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For intel mac's i think ventura is the last good os. I think the human beings as users transcend fan heckling.. so its just a sad fact that apple need to start applying planned obsolescence to M1/M2.. forget about intel. The bloat is targeting making perfectly good APPLE SILICON machines feel slow. Intel is long forgotten. And what they would need to do to the os to slow down apple silicon would completely destroy anything intel.
Anyways, some tips for holdouts like me:
- The intel integrated gpu on the last mbp's are too slow for anything but default resolution, if you want to run at higher screen space, simply download a resolution tool and run the displays in 1x, non retina mode. My 2019 i9 runs ui as snappy as when i bought it in single retina mode. Given catalina could do the exact same work in full retina without a problem you have to ask the question.
- Ventura is the probably the last version of macos for intel. Reasons, it includes the last real feature apple added to the os, universal control. Low power mode seems more efficient on ventura than it does on monterey. If you're looking for a razer sharp build, 13.6.4 is amazing, but i have to admit the latest builds are doing fine. If you play games, i also found that native games performance for the 5500m with steam games was better on ventura than monterey.
I still love my macs with no notches, and they're smaller. In 2024, i even regret trading in a perfectly maintained butterfly keyboard 2018 macbook pro for the 16 i'm running.. the butterfly keyboards feel so expensive even to the quite decent keyboards they currently offer.
Anyways, some tips for holdouts like me:
- The intel integrated gpu on the last mbp's are too slow for anything but default resolution, if you want to run at higher screen space, simply download a resolution tool and run the displays in 1x, non retina mode. My 2019 i9 runs ui as snappy as when i bought it in single retina mode. Given catalina could do the exact same work in full retina without a problem you have to ask the question.
- Ventura is the probably the last version of macos for intel. Reasons, it includes the last real feature apple added to the os, universal control. Low power mode seems more efficient on ventura than it does on monterey. If you're looking for a razer sharp build, 13.6.4 is amazing, but i have to admit the latest builds are doing fine. If you play games, i also found that native games performance for the 5500m with steam games was better on ventura than monterey.
I still love my macs with no notches, and they're smaller. In 2024, i even regret trading in a perfectly maintained butterfly keyboard 2018 macbook pro for the 16 i'm running.. the butterfly keyboards feel so expensive even to the quite decent keyboards they currently offer.
I still love my 2019 i9 16' MBP too, but I like Sonoma more than Ventura, as I have some problem with the external monitor on Verntura but without that issue on Sonoma.
I just clean re-installed 14.7 on my MBP, runs very well.
Never really the best idea to jump on a new OS as soon as it comes out especially with older hardware. When we had the Mac client, we always ran the PREVIOUS OS upgrade once a new one came out.
some time just don't want to wait and eager to try the new OS, but I agree with you that this is a better strategy.
2020 Intel mac here, went back to Sonoma 14.7 and not upgrading anymore. Everything works and has everything I need.
My 2018 mini runs great on Sonoma. Thinking of leaving it on Sonoma to run SecuritySpy software and replacing my daily driver with a macbook pro. The mini would just replace the NUC running Blue Iris security cam software and I can mount it backwards on the wall. It‘ll just “hang out” until it dies.
Why not hey. Small, low power draw.
I'm doing the same with an old Mini I have, (a 2012 though).
I've just put put the Sequoia 15.1 update on my 2018 i7 Mini and it's made a big difference over the initial Sequoia release. All seems much faster especially browsers - even Safari. It's making me think again about buying the new M4 Mini just yet.
I had to go and shut down services going from 15.0.1 to 15.1 on my M1 Pro MacBook Pro. One difference that I noticed is that Apple Intelligence is sending data to Apple and I have no clue as to what the data is or if it benefits me in any way. I suspect that it does not as I don't think that they've implemented the benefits yet.
I went to turn it off on my iMac Pro, and, surprise! There's no option. So maybe one advantage of Intel Macs - the lack of hardware support means that you don't get background stuff running by default when you upgrade.
I can see why they'd turn a lot of stuff on by default and we end up with these huge lists of background processes running (like Windows) but there are times when I wish that we had to affirmatively turn them on or else we get excess battery drain and higher thermals. This is stuff that you don't notice on desktops but I do notice them on laptops.
I was not able to get iStat Menus 6 to run properly under Ventura (it's a champ under Monterey) on a Mac Mini 2018. Fortunately I'd upgraded to iStat Menus 7 for my colleague who is running Sonoma on a Mac Studio. No more need for Intel Power Gadget installation and working fine.P.S. The kernel task process is not Sequoia. It is Intel Power Gadget + iStat Menus. They have long been impossible to use.
I suggest you either uninstall iStat Menus or upgrade to v7.
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Update: My more longer term impression is that if the aforementioned MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2018) were my primary machine and not just a secondary machine (let alone a secondary Intel Mac), I'd give strong thought to replacing it. As it stands, I have this machine on Sequoia and then a MacBook Pro (13-inch, M1, 2020) with 16GB of RAM along with an Intel Core i7-9750H equipped MacBook Pro (16-inch. 2019) with 32GB of RAM; the former of which is on Sonoma still and the latter is on earlier. For the latter, I'm a little worried about performance. For the former, I've tested Sequoia on an M1 MacBook Air with half the RAM and one fewer GPU core and it ran just as well as Sonoma.
I'm guessing this is where performance starts to suck for the remaining non-Xeon Intel Macs. I was sort of hoping that Apple would drop macOS support for x86-64 before they began ran running way slower. Although, not having yet made the jump to Sequoia on my MacBook Pro (16-inch, 2019), I'm a little uneasy about it.
2020 Intel iMac here. I've been running Sequoia for a couple of weeks with no problems outside of some minor annoyances -- like the Music app inexplicably cropping perfectly square album artwork in certain views. For the most part, though, I think it's running better than Sonoma on my iMac. Smooth, snappy. I dig it.
Processor: 3.3 GHz 6-Core Intel Core i5
Graphics: AMD Radeon Pro 5300 4 GB
Memory: 32 GB 2667 MHz DDR4
macOS: Sequoia 15.1
I think it was one of the final Intel iMacs on the market before they were replaced -- good machine.
I usually do a clean install of a new OS, but this time I upgraded directly from Sonoma and things are working beautifully.
But I definitely feel for those of you not having such luck with it. Trust me, I know the feeling.
Processor: 3.3 GHz 6-Core Intel Core i5
Graphics: AMD Radeon Pro 5300 4 GB
Memory: 32 GB 2667 MHz DDR4
macOS: Sequoia 15.1
I think it was one of the final Intel iMacs on the market before they were replaced -- good machine.
I usually do a clean install of a new OS, but this time I upgraded directly from Sonoma and things are working beautifully.
But I definitely feel for those of you not having such luck with it. Trust me, I know the feeling.
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