Intel Mac's beating M1 / M1 Pro / M1 Max at their own game ....

[Tagbert]

So what? My Intel MAC’s can still run any mobile app without problems, while my 16” M1 Max MBP can’t run **** despite Apple advertising it as a key feature.

And that is where you are just flat out wrong. Your M1 Max CAN run iOS apps.

However, if that developer didn’t want YOU to run it, then you are out of luck. Has NOTHING to do with your M1 Max. Trying to pretend that this is some technical limitation is just uninformed.

I just checked and I’ve got over 200 iOS apps that I have purchased that I could run on M1 if I wanted. I only use a couple of them as how I use my Mac is different than how I use my phone or iPad.

 

[Tagbert]

I can't run the apps I want to run -- ANY of them, so the M1 may as well not have that ability for all the good it does me.

Then complain to the app publishers. They are the ones who control that.

 

[bobcomer]

Then complain to the app publishers. They are the ones who control that.

Why bother, I don't use my M1 MBA in part because of that.

 

[UBS28]

And that is where you are just flat out wrong. Your M1 Max CAN run iOS apps.

However, if that developer didn’t want YOU to run it, then you are out of luck. Has NOTHING to do with your M1 Max. Trying to pretend that this is some technical limitation is just uninformed.

I just checked and I’ve got over 200 iOS apps that I have purchased that I could run on M1 if I wanted. I only use a couple of them as how I use my Mac is different than how I use my phone or iPad.

I can run their apps on my Intel MAC without any problems but on a M1 / Pro / Max, you cannot, from the same developers.

That is the reality.

 

[Tagbert]

Why bother, I don't use my M1 MBA in part because of that.

So you will bother to complain here multiple times when a publisher doesn’t allow their iOs app on a Mac but you won’t make the effort to complain to the publisher who actually could do something about it. That sounds like you want to continue complaining instead of solving the problem.

 

[bobcomer]

So you will bother to complain here multiple times when a publisher doesn’t allow their iOs app on a Mac but you won’t make the effort to complain to the publisher who actually could do something about it. That sounds like you want to continue complaining instead of solving the problem.

Yep, and that's fair. I still have Mac's, and it's still a concern of mine -- and there's far to many apps I want to run to complain to them individually, NOR will it ever make a difference anyway, just like here. Remember that the authors of all these apps opted out of allowing it -- they've made their opinion clear.

 

[bcortens]

Yep, and that's fair. I still have Mac's, and it's still a concern of mine -- and there's far to many apps I want to run to complain to them individually, NOR will it ever make a difference anyway, just like here. Remember that the authors of all these apps opted out of allowing it -- they've made their opinion clear.

So basically you wish apple didn’t give developers the choice? Or is complaining to the wind just cathartic and you’re just fine with apple giving developers the choice?

 

[bobcomer]

So basically you wish apple didn’t give developers the choice?

No wishing involved, but since apple said it was a feature for M1 Macs (still do) something should be done. The least of which would be to stop touting that as a feature of M1's.

Or is complaining to the wind just cathartic and you’re just fine with apple giving developers the choice?

Is complaining about me complaining, complaining to the wind or cathartic?

Anyway, if I had any commercial apps (I'm actually a developer, but private, no commercial stuff), I would allow it to run on an M1 -- after all, it would be a bigger market. I think it's pretty stupid to limit who can run your software. Artificial limits are the worst kind of all.

 

[jdb8167]

The least of which would be to stop touting that as a feature of M1's

I run iPadOS apps on my M1 MacBook Air so it is still a feature of M1s.

You are complaining that the developer of an app that you like isn't doing what you want them to do but then are refusing to actually inform the developer that you are unhappy with the decision. That's a pretty futile way of going about things.

 

[bobcomer]

I run iPadOS apps on my M1 MacBook Air so it is still a feature of M1s.

You are complaining that the developer of an app that you like isn't doing what you want them to do but then are refusing to actually inform the developer that you are unhappy with the decision. That's a pretty futile way of going about things.

not just one app, several. And here you are, complaining about my complaining. At least my complaint is about an Apple product…

 

[darngooddesign]

...At least my complaint is about an Apple product…

Your complaint is actually about 3rd party developers.

 

[Tagbert]

not just one app, several. And here you are, complaining about my complaining. At least my complaint is about an Apple product…

And that is the problem. You are directing your complaint to the wrong people.

You and the OP are asserting that M1 Macs can’t run iOS apps. that is just not true. What is true is that some of the apps that you want to run on a Mac are not allowed to by the publisher. That is an entirely different argument. We have repeatedly told you that other iOS apps do run on M1 Macs.

If you are going to complain, at least get the argument right.

 

[aeronatis]

not just one app, several. And here you are, complaining about my complaining. At least my complaint is about an Apple product…

Your complaint is pretty much about the developers of the specific apps you would like to use. That you can run those apps on another platform doesn't make it about Apple, who made the App Store apps available by default and rightfully gave the developers to opt out of this.

 

[thenewperson]

I wonder what the fallout would be if Apple actually disregarded developers' wishes and simply made all iOS apps available for ASi Macs. There'd probably be a lot of gnashing of teeth on developers' side (in addition to the consternation already present in the community).

 

[bobcomer]

Your complaint is actually about 3rd party developers.

No, it's not, it's about Apple advertising that you can run your iOS apps on an M1 Mac, and for not encouraging 3rd party developers to allow it. After all, one of the reasons I bought the M1 Mac was because it could run iOS apps I use.

If I were complaining about the 3rd party developers only, I'd talk about it differently.

 

[bobcomer]

And that is the problem. You are directing your complaint to the wrong people.

You and the OP are asserting that M1 Macs can’t run iOS apps. that is just not true. What is true is that some of the apps that you want to run on a Mac are not allowed to by the publisher. That is an entirely different argument. We have repeatedly told you that other iOS apps do run on M1 Macs.

If you are going to complain, at least get the argument right.

As are you, there's no way complaining about complaining will change anything either.

And no, you're still wrong. I'm complaining about Apple using it as a selling point.

 

[bobcomer]

I wonder what the fallout would be if Apple actually disregarded developers' wishes and simply made all iOS apps available for ASi Macs. There'd probably be a lot of gnashing of teeth on developers' side (in addition to the consternation already present in the community).

That's not what I would ask for, as there are some apps that just don't make sense on the Mac because of hardware it doesn't have, plus there may be the odd app that really doesn't work on a Mac. Maybe a more stringent opt out (with a reason attached)

 

[MajorFubar]

You and the OP are asserting that M1 Macs can’t run iOS apps. that is just not true.

Actually OP was complaining that M-series Macs can't run Android apps...but that seems a lifetime ago now, and the thread has progressed into "Apple are clearly at fault because the developers of my favourite iOS apps won't allow them to run on a Mac despite Apple originally touting it as a feature". But don't ask me, I'm just here, chewing the popcorn, like you.

 

[Bodhitree]

I wonder what the fallout would be if Apple actually disregarded developers' wishes and simply made all iOS apps available for ASi Macs. There'd probably be a lot of gnashing of teeth on developers' side (in addition to the consternation already present in the community).

I believe Google just never raised the issue and instead said, Chromebooks will be able to run Android apps period. And it turns out developers were ok with that.

 

[tmoerel]

No, it's not, it's about Apple advertising that you can run your iOS apps on an M1 Mac, and for not encouraging 3rd party developers to allow it. After all, one of the reasons I bought the M1 Mac was because it could run iOS apps I use.

If I were complaining about the 3rd party developers only, I'd talk about it differently.

Apple said that you CAN run iOS apps on Apple Silicon. It never said that all iOS apps would be available. And yes they encourage app developers to allow their apps to run. But they chose not to force them.
So where is the problem???? Seems to be an inflated sense of entitlement on your part!

 

[darngooddesign]

No, it's not, it's about Apple advertising that you can run your iOS apps on an M1 Mac, and for not encouraging 3rd party developers to allow it. After all, one of the reasons I bought the M1 Mac was because it could run iOS apps I use.

If I were complaining about the 3rd party developers only, I'd talk about it differently.

You're complaining at Apple because complaining about all those developers is harder.

And if the developers charged you a second time to cover all the QA, testing, and bug fixing required to support an additional platform, if they don't they get to look forward to a bunch of 1 star reviews because that's how people are, you'd still be complaining about Apple.

 

[mr_roboto]

No, it's not, it's about Apple advertising that you can run your iOS apps on an M1 Mac, and for not encouraging 3rd party developers to allow it. After all, one of the reasons I bought the M1 Mac was because it could run iOS apps I use.

They made it opt-out for devs. How is that not encouraging them to allow it? If devs do nothing, their apps just show up on the Mac App Store.

(Apple actually got negative feedback from devs over that, because as @darngooddesign points out, if you haven't done any QA on a platform, you might not want to risk shipping stuff that's broken and earns you negative reviews. But as far as I know, Apple has held firm and it's still opt-out.)

But aren't you the guy who just wouldn't stop claiming that Apple promised M1 could virtualize x86 Windows? Even after it was proven they never did that? Not surprising that you have another irrational complaint where you're blaming the wrong party.

 

[Andropov]

(Apple actually got negative feedback from devs over that, because as @darngooddesign points out, if you haven't done any QA on a platform, you might not want to risk shipping stuff that's broken and earns you negative reviews. But as far as I know, Apple has held firm and it's still opt-out.)

Yup, it's still on. I had totally forgotten about it until I recently saw a download of one of my older iPhone-only apps from macOS. Tested it, out of curiosity. Really crappy experience. Disabled the macOS checkbox.

I think iOS apps on macOS is in a weird place because if your app layout is robust enough to properly support macOS, chances are you could ship a macOS app using Catalyst (with a much better experience) with minimal effort. If you don't, well, chances are the experience is terrible on macOS.

 

[bobcomer]

But aren't you the guy who just wouldn't stop claiming that Apple promised M1 could virtualize x86 Windows? Even after it was proven they never did that? Not surprising that you have another irrational complaint where you're blaming the wrong party.

I wasn't going to respond to this thread anymore it's so asinine, but this is different. I did have the original timing wrong, but it was never proven they didn't show windows running on an M1. And yes, this was also one of the reasons I'm so disappointed in my M1 MBA. The last, is thermal throttling if you're wondering. It was a total waste of money to buy the M1 MBA. (16G / 1TB version) I get absolutely no use out of it.

 

[robco74]

Well, Apple laptops do tend to fetch pretty good prices, if you don't get any use out of your M1, you can sell it pretty easily. Give it a new home with someone who will appreciate it for what it is, rather than be constantly and bitterly disappointed for what it isn't.