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Internet Piracy : Your Views
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Give it a few days out in the wild, and your operating system will be being pirated and no, I don't believe any of that (but apology accepted)
Seeing as how the airwaves were originally public and free and now you are basically forced to pay to watch television which used to be free they can kiss my ass. Now movies and music on the other hand, that is messed up and I feel bad for the music artists but am only a bit sympathetic to the movie studios. So many really bad movies being made and the pie cut up for only a few it's hard to feel bad for the movie folks.
Nobody is forcing anyone to pay for television; I don't pay anything to watch TV. There are still free OTA channels for viewing.
LOL, spoken like an individual that has no clue how the industry really works and with no morals. Create something yourself and see how you feel when i is stolen and you get nothing in return.
LOL!
i'm sorry but creative energy and expression don't fluctuate with the highs and lows of the market economy, and never will. real artists don't make music or movies for money.
"worst" case scenario from mass pirating: we are no longer subjected to hundreds of lame ass big-budget action films every year and radio stations might actually play GOOD music instead of crap from whichever hot pop superstar has been best marketed to all the prepubescent boys and girls to make money.
Whoopdie doo!
I don't pirate. I don't see there as being a need to. DVDs are getting cheaper, music is instantly available directly to your computer or Phone, games can be purchased and installed instantly. I believe that without piracy these things probably wouldn't have happened, but as they have there's no justification for just taking rather than buying now.
You're right, those people don't need to eat or pay bills. Gosh, what should I tell my mother-in-law, that she isn't a "real" artist? Clearly spoken from a person that is not creative and never had something stolen from them.
Just because somebody doesn't share your moral view, doesn't mean they are without morals. Just because somebody may act questionably in one area of life doesn't mean they are without morals overall.
The issue isn't black or white-
What if you want to watch a TV show made and broadcast in another country and there is no realistic prospect of it being shown in your country or released on DVD?
What if a TV show will be shown in your country, but maybe not for 2-3 years?
What if you download the first 5 episodes of a show to see if it is worth buying the complete set on DVD?
What if you can only get media with crippling DRM?
What if a movie was just shown on TV, but your DVD recorder wasn't working so you go online?
What if you had VHS cassette and want to get it into an up to date format?
I always buy apps for my iPhone, many developers put time and money in to making them. However, in other areas of entertainment there is huge greed and the creator gets very little in return. People apply their own moral standards to downloading, and my conscience is clean.
Sure it is....
Then you are not allowed to get it unless you do it by legal means. I want a cope of Die Wella (German movie) but it is not available here in the USA. That being said, I am not going to pirate the movie as the people that made it deserve to be paid for their hard work and efforts.
You wait... Besides, I was living in Germany for many years and I don't know of any shows that didn't show up there in just a few days after the original airing in the USA.
Rent it, just because you want a preview does not mean you can steal it.
DRM isn't crippling if you own it....
TV stations have the right to broadcast and have paid for it. This does not give you the right to go steal it. If you want it, you go buy it and get your DVR fixed.
This is the only area that I might see an argument. However, you have bought the rights to that format and shouldn't resort to getting updates from someone that ripped it and stuck it on-line. If the production company offered this to you it would be a different story. To date, none do or else I would have a lot more MP3s than I do.
You are right, but who defines those morals? Society does, not the individual... So, you may feel you are just in your actions but societly can still see you as a thief.
As for greed, there is a lot that goes into the creation, production and distibution of a movie or song which clearly you have no clue about. Its not liek they just wake up and say "I think I'll create a hit today". The current prices are more than fair so I fail to see how you call it greed? An artist deserves to get paid and if he is successful in creating a song or movie that is well recieved, he/she deserves to get paid well.
not all platers will play multi region. or PAL formats unless hacked.
Fortunately I have the tools, parrot and eye patch for my entertainment needs
So this is my first part that I have to disagree with...why not pirate it and then pay later once you're able to legally? Its not like anyone loses out
Looking at iTunes media(outside of songs now) which were bought 100% legally, but I couldn't put on anything other then an iPod/iPhone, AppleTV for computer running iTunes(so anything Linux is out). Now, I bought those things knowing the limits, but to say DRM isn't crippling just doesn't ring true.
*Sigh*.... I'll slightly rephrase then shall I?
I realised I wasn't helping the industry.
Happy now? Pick you're holes, but it gets you nowhere. As for the rest of your post, that's utter rubbish. You clearly have no idea what you are on about.
Because most people won't pay and the means by which you are getting it is illegal. Just rent it...
You could easily convert them to MP3 using Itunes which will play on other devices. You could only do this a certain amount of times, but you only really needed to do it once anyway. Rings true for me....
It really isn't black and white-
Legal does not equal moral. Pirating a DVD because it isn't available in your country is illegal, but may not be immoral to many. Adultery (in most countries) isn't illegal, but I'm pretty sure most people find it immoral.
Again, pirating to see if something is worth buying may be illegal (let's not go into whether pirating is theft or not!) but is it really immoral if you genuinely intend to buy it if it is good, and delete it if not. I would say no.
It really can be. I don't play many computer games, but do some googling about recent developments in games and DRM. It is a really big deal.
Again, here is a legal-moral distinction. If I buy a CD I have paid for the content and to have somebody produce the disk itself, so when I rip it into iTunes that isn't a problem. I have done the work myself, and Apple haven't asked for any money for iTunes.
If I buy a VHS tape I have paid for the content and to have somebody produce the cassette itself. If I were to convert it to DVD myself is that any different to the iTunes situation? I don't think so. What if I don't have the means to do that though? Why can't I use the internet to gain a copy suitable for modern technology if people are willing to give it away for free? Why should I pay for content twice and production of physical media twice?
This is getting a little philosophical, but I would say that the individual and society incorporate morals. There is always the possibility of the "tyranny of the masses".
Yes, that is exactly what I thought happened. Thank you for clarifying.
It is not so much the prices (although I think they are a little high) it is what goes where. I understand that artists need record companies, studios, companies to make CDs etc but the percentage that goes to the artist is often tiny. iTunes isn't so bad as they give the record company a relatively large cut, but with CD sales often only a couple of percent reach the artist, and remember that bands have multiple members.
You could easily convert them to MP3 using Itunes which will play on other devices. You could only do this a certain amount of times, but you only really needed to do it once anyway. Rings true for me....
I can convert my Book, Movies, TV Shows etc to .MP3?
Music is the only thing studio have released their death grip from
If you're in the running for multi-zone DVDs that play in a non-native format you choose equipment that meets your needs.
That's what I did anyway. Are you saying I'm smarter than the average bear?
Once again, there are means to remove DRM and I have no problems with this as long as you OWN a legal copy. I rip my DVDs to play on my Apple TV all the time. I don't, however, put it on the WEB for others to download.
Keep trying..... Still isn't right.
A whole generation of people have grown up around the internet and the easy availability of pirated music, films, software games etc.
The problem is that the pirate websites often come up before legitimate places to buy said music/media.
I don't pirate for a few reasons:
1. Most of the artists I like are not megastar rich so its only fair that they get some of my money.
2. Often pirated copies are of dubious quality.
3. I hate most if the tripe thats made these days.
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4. I much prefer mixes than individual tracks.
The problem is that the pirate websites often come up before legitimate places to buy said music/media.
I don't pirate for a few reasons:
1. Most of the artists I like are not megastar rich so its only fair that they get some of my money.
2. Often pirated copies are of dubious quality.
3. I hate most if the tripe thats made these days.
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4. I much prefer mixes than individual tracks.
I guess I'll throw my two cents in.
For one, you can't stop it, ever. You can't make a "piracy proof" OS; that is to say that as soon as its in the hands of users its easily modifiable (look at microsoft's battle with modified xbox's). Example: Let's say you require DRM (ala initially blu-ray agreements) in the kernel of the OS-- will that stop anyone? No. As soon as you have something released, there's always going to be workarounds and modifications made, regardless of how closed you make it. Look at jail-breaking and iOS; does Apple want that modified? Hell no. The problem here though is that if you design an OS to be "piracy proof" not only will it be ineffective, but often too large and cumbersome to efficiently perform everyday tasks. You can continue to add security layers and more DRM, but at the end of the day it just ends up being resource hogging bloatware. Furthermore, if you make your OS too restrictive, people just won't buy it. There's always alternatives (many of them), with at least one of them being guaranteed to be as open as possible.
The music industry instead should be focusing on availability, pricing, and content quality. Actually, to be honest, record companies shouldn't exist in this day and age. They're giant lobbying groups, nothing more. Where do bands make most of their money? Tours and concerts. Where do record labels make their money? Sale of said music. The problem, however, is that you don't NEED a record company anymore; you can set up a contract with digital music providers for the distribution of your content independently, and a lot of record labels fear this. There's no need for these lumbering giants anymore; physical media, while always existing, is crumbling. As such these record companies lobby for all the DRM and safety protection they can in the face of falling profits. Interestingly enough, some bands are now offering their music for free-- time will tell whether this becomes the standard or not.
As per the movie industry... well, I don't think very highly of them. They're overpriced (look at movie ticket prices), and the physical copies cost way too much. Furthermore, they make absurd amounts of money off of less than revolutionary material. Avatar wasn't exactly the next Mona Lisa, yet by the ticket sales you would think it was. Actors are also overpaid in my opinion; why should someone get paid 5 million to pretend on stage for a few months? How are they helping and advancing society? This is just my opinion of course, but doctors, engineers, pharma, scientists, etc deserve that money far more than the actor, yet the actor gets paid more. If they lowered the prices I think they would do better, but it can't be said that they're doing poorly now.
Now per software piracy... that's something that can't really be justified. Often extensive time and money goes into software development, and while some software isn't worth it, most is reasonably priced. There are exceptions to this of course (I'm staring at you Adobe), however I feel that if at all possible, the end user should always pay for their software, especially if they like it.
There's also a study done awhile ago that I'm trying to remember; I think it was that the highest purchasers of legitimate media also were the largest pirates-- if this were true it wouldn't surprise me.
Regardless of the reasons, at the end of the day it still is theft. That much can't be disputed.
For one, you can't stop it, ever. You can't make a "piracy proof" OS; that is to say that as soon as its in the hands of users its easily modifiable (look at microsoft's battle with modified xbox's). Example: Let's say you require DRM (ala initially blu-ray agreements) in the kernel of the OS-- will that stop anyone? No. As soon as you have something released, there's always going to be workarounds and modifications made, regardless of how closed you make it. Look at jail-breaking and iOS; does Apple want that modified? Hell no. The problem here though is that if you design an OS to be "piracy proof" not only will it be ineffective, but often too large and cumbersome to efficiently perform everyday tasks. You can continue to add security layers and more DRM, but at the end of the day it just ends up being resource hogging bloatware. Furthermore, if you make your OS too restrictive, people just won't buy it. There's always alternatives (many of them), with at least one of them being guaranteed to be as open as possible.
The music industry instead should be focusing on availability, pricing, and content quality. Actually, to be honest, record companies shouldn't exist in this day and age. They're giant lobbying groups, nothing more. Where do bands make most of their money? Tours and concerts. Where do record labels make their money? Sale of said music. The problem, however, is that you don't NEED a record company anymore; you can set up a contract with digital music providers for the distribution of your content independently, and a lot of record labels fear this. There's no need for these lumbering giants anymore; physical media, while always existing, is crumbling. As such these record companies lobby for all the DRM and safety protection they can in the face of falling profits. Interestingly enough, some bands are now offering their music for free-- time will tell whether this becomes the standard or not.
As per the movie industry... well, I don't think very highly of them. They're overpriced (look at movie ticket prices), and the physical copies cost way too much. Furthermore, they make absurd amounts of money off of less than revolutionary material. Avatar wasn't exactly the next Mona Lisa, yet by the ticket sales you would think it was. Actors are also overpaid in my opinion; why should someone get paid 5 million to pretend on stage for a few months? How are they helping and advancing society? This is just my opinion of course, but doctors, engineers, pharma, scientists, etc deserve that money far more than the actor, yet the actor gets paid more. If they lowered the prices I think they would do better, but it can't be said that they're doing poorly now.
Now per software piracy... that's something that can't really be justified. Often extensive time and money goes into software development, and while some software isn't worth it, most is reasonably priced. There are exceptions to this of course (I'm staring at you Adobe), however I feel that if at all possible, the end user should always pay for their software, especially if they like it.
There's also a study done awhile ago that I'm trying to remember; I think it was that the highest purchasers of legitimate media also were the largest pirates-- if this were true it wouldn't surprise me.
Regardless of the reasons, at the end of the day it still is theft. That much can't be disputed.
Internet Piracy
Internet Piracy? It's a fact of life. It will likely "win" in the end despite the heavy-handed and clumbsy attempts to stop it.
I like Apple's philosophy:
1- Don't punish the paying customer! This means software with little or no DRM, music with no DRM and provide reasonable prices and terms of use.
2- Boycott technologies with insanely restrictive DRM like BluRay.
3- Only provide DRM-encumbered media when no other alternatives exist. Meanwhile, work on DRM-free alternates.
4- Prosecute actual Pirates rather than treat every single paying customer like one.
Right or Wrong, Legal or Illegal, Moral or Immoral, Piracy is here to stay.
The most effective way to deal with it is to punish the Pirates rather than everyone else.
This is one reason I like the land of Apple so much more than PC land. None of my Apple software ever bothers me with faulty, buggy and annoying DRM. ( unlike Adobe, which I'll be ditching next)
Does this lack of DRM result in Apple software being pirated? Of Course! But you know what? It would have been anyway.
For example, my Adobe CS2 has insanely restrictive and annoying DRM. Use RAID? A Virtual Machine? Pow! Please insert another $2,000 or beg forgiveness from people I paid a ton of money to!
Meanwhile, the Pirates get CS2. CS3, CS4 and CS5 master suites for free with no DRM.
Suckers like me who pay have to deal with all the DRM aimed at the pirates and get treated like pirates by Adobe, MS, etc.....
Apple doesn't do this. They get my business from now on when possible.
Have Fun,
Keri
PS. The few commercial DVDs I've helped produce had no DRM. Just low prices. Sales were OK, with no observable Piracy.
Internet Piracy? It's a fact of life. It will likely "win" in the end despite the heavy-handed and clumbsy attempts to stop it.
I like Apple's philosophy:
1- Don't punish the paying customer! This means software with little or no DRM, music with no DRM and provide reasonable prices and terms of use.
2- Boycott technologies with insanely restrictive DRM like BluRay.
3- Only provide DRM-encumbered media when no other alternatives exist. Meanwhile, work on DRM-free alternates.
4- Prosecute actual Pirates rather than treat every single paying customer like one.
Right or Wrong, Legal or Illegal, Moral or Immoral, Piracy is here to stay.
The most effective way to deal with it is to punish the Pirates rather than everyone else.
This is one reason I like the land of Apple so much more than PC land. None of my Apple software ever bothers me with faulty, buggy and annoying DRM. ( unlike Adobe, which I'll be ditching next)
Does this lack of DRM result in Apple software being pirated? Of Course! But you know what? It would have been anyway.
For example, my Adobe CS2 has insanely restrictive and annoying DRM. Use RAID? A Virtual Machine? Pow! Please insert another $2,000 or beg forgiveness from people I paid a ton of money to!
Meanwhile, the Pirates get CS2. CS3, CS4 and CS5 master suites for free with no DRM.
Suckers like me who pay have to deal with all the DRM aimed at the pirates and get treated like pirates by Adobe, MS, etc.....
Apple doesn't do this. They get my business from now on when possible.
Have Fun,
Keri
PS. The few commercial DVDs I've helped produce had no DRM. Just low prices. Sales were OK, with no observable Piracy.
As a rule pirating is wrong. However I disagree with some of the definitions of pirating. When you purchase something, it should be yours to sell to another party when you are done with it. I also think you can make up backup copies for your own use. Some pirating is more effective than others. I've seen some of the pirated movies smuggled out of theaters, prior to DVD release and they are laughable.
Will that work? My impression is that BluRay is here to stay and DVD is on the way out.
Will that work? My impression is that BluRay is here to stay and DVD is on the way out.