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belvdr

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Aug 15, 2005
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Explain this: I can LEGALLY record a movie that is shown on TV, I can legally record a song that is played on the radio

Actually, it's not legal. Many TV stations will only deliver that message late at night for about 30 seconds.

For example, the NFL makes that statement at the end of each football game.
 

Chase R

macrumors 65816
May 8, 2008
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Actually, it's not legal. Many TV stations will only deliver that message late at night for about 30 seconds.

For example, the NFL makes that statement at the end of each football game.

Then how is DVR legal if you can record a show and keep it as long as you want?
 

Rodimus Prime

macrumors G4
Oct 9, 2006
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Then how is DVR legal if you can record a show and keep it as long as you want?

I think it is better to put you can not record shows for redisbultion or broad cast later.
That means you can not legally record a show then give it to your friend (aka share it over the internet)
 

Chase R

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May 8, 2008
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I think it is better to put you can not record shows for redisbultion or broad cast later.
That means you can not legally record a show then give it to your friend (aka share it over the internet)

But you can record it, burn it to a DVD, and have friends over to watch it as many times as you would like?
 

Chase R

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May 8, 2008
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Correct. As long as your are not charging your friends for the pleasure, it is totally legal.

So let's say I have A LOT of friends, and I give them all a copy. Is that legal?

More of a rhetorical question I guess.

I'm trying to point out that there is no fine-line when it comes to file-sharing.

Seems to me like media is stuck in a copyright-rut, and it needs to get unstuck, a.k.a. change it's ways of distribution in a big way (not some little service here or there).
 

liquidsuns

macrumors 6502
Jun 23, 2009
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LOL, spoken like an individual that has no clue how the industry really works and with no morals. Create something yourself and see how you feel when i is stolen and you get nothing in return.

Yeah buddy, I have NO morals because I don't have a problem with people copying movies...think maybe you're being a bit overdramatic?

And, since you decided to jump to random conclusions about someone you know nothing about; I give my music away for free all the time. We play shows for money and hand out our CD. We make music because it's fun for us and other people enjoy it. I have no delusions that I deserve a bunch of money because I can write songs. We get by just fine. I would be flattered if people were taking the time to even pirate our music, that means they like it and they are listening to it, so maybe they'll come see us play sometime, but since we don't demand money for it, that'd be a little silly. If they feel like paying for the CD, that's cool too. I really don't care.
 

bruinsrme

macrumors 604
Oct 26, 2008
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Yeah buddy, I have NO morals because I don't have a problem with people copying movies...think maybe you're being a bit overdramatic?

And, since you decided to jump to random conclusions about someone you know nothing about; I give my music away for free all the time. We play shows for money and hand out our CD. We make music because it's fun for us and other people enjoy it. I have no delusions that I deserve a bunch of money because I can write songs. We get by just fine. I would be flattered if people were taking the time to even pirate our music, that means they like it and they are listening to it, so maybe they'll come see us play sometime, but since we don't demand money for it, that'd be a little silly. If they feel like paying for the CD, that's cool too. I really don't care.

Do you have a site where someone can download your material?
 

Tech198

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Mar 21, 2011
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I was wondering what people think about Internet Piracy and illegal downloads (movies,tv shows,music etc)

Seems like theres is a hell of a lot of people doing this nowaday.
Can it be stopped?,should fines be enforced?


Believe me... Hollywood is trying this like crazy... like a sore thumb, they just won't agree and move on.

My view is neither, here, nor there..... but piracy will NEVER be enforced, i'm confident of that 100% as its gone for too long. ISP's have been attempted to have done DNS blocking, and an Australia ISP (iInet) is back in the High Cort over this same thing.

However, just like i pointed oiut in the Zdnet, the RIAA has tried to do this exact same in music... But it didn't help... Rather than try and prevent something, thats out of control, why not just go along with it, and charge a small free for track downloads (And this is exactly what was done).

See where i'm heading here? Its all for the money.. Hiollywood may even start linking to legal payed sites like the RIAA do with music, but if they are gonna charge a bomb for each movie. ($5 or so discount for online purchase/streaming/downlaod), its clear people will turn elsewhere, and that means free (piracy).

Do what Apple itunes does.. $2 for SD movies, $4 for HD/Blue-ray

Its not as much Hollywood want to rake in, but at least their'll get something, than nothing.

Theres a price for everything, and if they its too much, its just like the real word, people will buy elsewhere, (or in this case go down the 'free' route, even if it means slightly degrading quality)

As for DNS blocking. this is a joke, coz there are more than enough DNS servers anyone can use. some are free, so thats an option right there, and poxies. *shrugs*
 

phySi0

macrumors member
Jun 19, 2011
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You don't want to know!
I haven't read the full thread yet, but I'll add my thoughts.

I pirate. I think it's okay or at least understandable within certain situations.

1. I always pirate something if it's not available in my country and I want to have it. I know it's not always the creators' fault, but if this is the reason for pirating, I always donate the price of the creation.

2. For software, if I bought it but from a different OS and the keys are non-exchangeable, I always pirate it. First, I check if it will work on the new OS. If not, I ask for an exchange. If not, I pirate it. I may even sell the old license key to some other guy. The creators didn't bother to give me a new key or make the key multiplatform and I paid for it, so why shouldn't I sell my old key as well? I know that may seem OTT to some, but I think it's fair.

I also pirate music, movies, software, etc. all the time for no reason than, "I want to". I never listened to music or watched movies on Windows. I didn't even buy software, though I downloaded and pirated them.

When I moved to OS X, I started going on a pirate frenzy, since I needed software to fill up my Mac and the free ones weren't usually as good as the paid ones.

I don't do this anymore. I may pirate, but whenever I earn money, the first thing I do is pay my debts, and I do believe I owe a debt to the creators of the software I pirated. I don't pay for the movies for some reason, unless it's on iTunes. If the music is on iTunes, I will also pay for it. If the software is not on the MAS, I still pay for it but would be more likely to pay for the ones on the store first.

If it's easy to pay the creators and I earn the money, I will pay as much as I can to them.
 

GermanyChris

macrumors 601
Jul 3, 2011
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Every bit of music I own is pirated, I will continue to do so until the big record labels are out of business. The we can reset and start again keeping thing rational. The record labels have been going out of their way to screw the consumer over for as long as I remember, now it's my turn.

I have pirated software, but I do it far less now than before.
 

0dev

macrumors 68040
Dec 22, 2009
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The entertainment industry continues to make record profits each year regardless, that's a fact.

My personal prediction is that it will eventually go down - not because of piracy, but because technology will make it obsolete. Within a few decades (if that), your average laptop or even tablet will be capable of music production and film editing which rivals the pros so much, the market will be flooded with high quality independent music, movies, TV shows, etc., and it'll be officially free (donation only) or extremely cheap.

The documentary series, Steal This Film, was funded purely by donations and given away for free via a torrent. This idea is already getting bigger and bigger. In fact, in terms of music, it's already happening en masse, with a lot of new talent being scouted from the internet.

Trust me, give it time and you will not need massive monopolies slinging their weight around to provide entertainment.
 

bruinsrme

macrumors 604
Oct 26, 2008
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I wear an eye patch and have a parrot on my shoulder when I am on the internet.

I must hang out with the deviants in the world as I can't think of one of my friends that I haven't shared something with.

Then again in the 80's I remember copying a lot of cds to cassette. yet somehow over all those years the recording industry has survived.

Thank god I have friends that do it. this way I don't mind spending $150+ for a concert ticket.
 

0dev

macrumors 68040
Dec 22, 2009
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Home taping's killing music, home sleeping's killing hotels, home cooking's killing fast food, home sewing's killing fashion :rolleyes:

Click the link on my signature, and watch the whole of Steal This Film 2 if you want to watch a while film on it (you can torrent or stream it legally), and educate yourself :cool:
 
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