iOS 10.3 theatre mode

[C DM]

Yes, but as I said, it was a week gap, not one day. Thats the key difference that I am trying to make with all of these posts. It has never happened that two betas have been released within 24 hour for two different iOS versions. Both times it has happened, it has been a week or longer gap.

What you are saying is quite rational and reasonable. I'm just saying that just like prior to having two betas out at the same time with iOS 9, it was quite rational and reasonable to never expect that and to think that it would be quite unreasonable to do so, and yet it still happened.

We've seen at least a few if not more at least somewhat unexpected things happen with betas and releases over the last year or two, so it's almost down to pretty much anything being able to happen.

That's not to say it makes it more (or less) likely or anything like that, just that even with reasonable expectations going one way there's a fair chance it could still happen the other way.

 

[Mlrollin91]

What you are saying is quite rational and reasonable. I'm just saying that just like prior to having two betas out at the same time with iOS 9, it was quite rational and reasonable to never expect that and to think that it would be quite unreasonable to do so, and yet it still happened. We've seen at least a few if not more at least somewhat unexpected things happen with betas and releases over the last year or two, so it's almost down to pretty much anything being able to happen.

Yes, and from what I have learned from this year of betas is that anything in the past is out as to deciding patterns. That has definitely been the case. But this time I feel the past can be used as a predictor because of what I outlined above. It just doesn't make sense to seed 2 betas within 24 hours because the first beta wouldn't get the time needed to verify everything as still in working order. Now its possible we may see 10.3 by Friday, giving developers 3-4 days time to test 10.2.1, but the most logical 'prediction' is next week.

 

[bigjnyc]

The beauty of internet anonymity. You get to refute and deflect away from the points @TurboPGT! made and respond with snark comments, showing you failed to understand his rendition of what he has to say, using your post as leverage to disparage against him.

On Topic: Turbo, good point with the safari dark mode and how would it be negated if dark mode technically would already exist. How would the two modes co-exist, seems perplexing to me.

Lol were you following me around waiting to quote me because I called you out for being an "internet tough guy" the other day? That's cute

if something so simple perplexes you then I don't know how you get through life, it only takes a little tiny bit of creativity and common sense to come up with a distinguisher to seperate these 2 modes. Good thing you're not an engineer at Apple we would still be on iOS 1 because anything more advanced would perplex you

 

[bigjnyc]

Its actually the most minute of issues, of course there are ways to deal with it in UI...my point is the slobbering buffoons that like to act like this yet-to-be-feature should instead be something they were already bored of months ago, always fail to offer any kind of coherent thoughts as to why it should be, why its so simple.

No, they offer "cuz Apple should figure it out". K. Thanks. Great talking to you. How about giving some thought to it, including the counter points as to why its not coming out in a point update, and likely isn't coming out at all any time soon.
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Yep, more badgering nonsense instead of valid points on why Dark Mode is so simple.

Never change, Macrumors!

As many have already pointed out it should not be so complex to add a skin over existing apps and the interface, I mean there have been jailbreak tweaks that do this for years now... you cannot tell me that these hobbyists are smarter tweaking iOS than Apple engineers? like 3 years ago when I used to jailbreak I had a tweak that put messages, mail, settings, phone, safari... basically all the stock apps in dark mode... It wasn't refined but it was full blown dark mode...... Again if a bunch of kids coding jailbreak software then surely Apple can do it with the OS they themselves created.

 

[TurboPGT!]

As many have already pointed out it should not be so complex to add a skin over existing apps and the interface

And as I and many others have pointed out, this isn't even remotely close to accurate description of what would go in to a hypothetical Dark Mode. This is a prime example of the amateur hour that I'm losing interest in here.

 

[C DM]

And as I and many others have pointed out, this isn't even remotely close to accurate description of what would go in to a hypothetical Dark Mode. This is a prime example of the amateur hour that I'm losing interest in here.

Well, with "hypothetical" being used there, seems like no one really knows how Apple might decide do implement it (if they do it), which means that there's really nothing to rule out its viability as something that can exist.

 

[GreyOS]

And as I and many others have pointed out, this isn't even remotely close to accurate description of what would go in to a hypothetical Dark Mode. This is a prime example of the amateur hour that I'm losing interest in here.

Er, can you elaborate further? Perhaps you're referring to support for third party apps?

Let me run with just one out of a million solutions to this.

The dark mode setting value would be readable by third party apps.

By default, all apps would be marked 'not ready for dark mode' and would continue as before, regardless of this setting, until the developer takes steps to say it's ready for dark mode and submit and update to their app.

For some apps using very standard UIs, it might be a case of the developers flipping a switch to say 'ready for dark mode'. This might enable dark mode versions of standard UI elements in their app. The developers would have to review how this minimal intervention panned out in their app, and make any necessary adjustments. This is directly analogous to how 4.7" and 5.5" modes worked. Many apps had already been designed with auto layout, and simply flipping the switch to enable native support for larger screens meant their apps worked instantly. However, many probably had to make a few tweaks, and many chose to redesign their app to make more intelligent use of the extra space. This would be the case with dark mode too. Some apps with very custom UIs would have to put a lot more work into it, but it's nothing unachievable. Some apps might already be working in what's effectively a dark mode- for them, it might be a case of actually designing a light mode for use when dark mode is off. Some apps might already have their own app-level dark/light setting, and they might decide to remove their app-level switch and make their app respect the system level setting instead.

Only when the app developers are happy with the results would they say their app is ready for dark mode, and ready to respect the system setting, and then submit their app.

Apple would provide documentation, guidelines and support for all developers developing simulataneous light and dark modes.

Apple would have to add an extra review step for apps submitted to the App Store, to ensure those making use of the dark mode setting respect it in a reasonable manner.

Windows Phone already has a dark/light mode which third party apps can take advantage of.

What else is there?

 

[Natya Sadella]

I dont know why turbo still thinks that a private mode in safari heavily requires a dark ui? Whats with a 3d touch on the tab icon, "go private", a sunglass icon in the statusbar next to orientation lock appears.

And I still dont have seen a real reason why its so hard to create a black ui. I mean? They can create it in simple white so im sure they are smart enough to create it in simple black

 

[bigjnyc]

And as I and many others have pointed out, this isn't even remotely close to accurate description of what would go in to a hypothetical Dark Mode. This is a prime example of the amateur hour that I'm losing interest in here.

I love that you totally ignored the part of my post where I point out that this has been done already by the jailbreak community which in essence are amateur developers and hobbyists.

 

[gwhizkids]

I dont know why turbo still thinks that a private mode in safari heavily requires a dark ui? Whats with a 3d touch on the tab icon, "go private", a sunglass icon in the statusbar next to orientation lock appears.

And I still dont have seen a real reason why its so hard to create a black ui. I mean? They can create it in simple white so im sure they are smart enough to create it in simple black

I am not a developer, but I do appreciate the difficulties here. Its not just the background that needs to be changed, but also page elements. Relatively simple for Twitter and iBooks (just swap light background/dark text for dark background/light text), but not so simple for more complex page layouts and app configurations. Try using the inverse mode in Accessibility and you can see how unsatisfying simple hue inversion can look. A lot of developers would not be happy with the results (nor would a lot of end users).

I think the discussion here has forked into 2 distinct "conversations": the first is, can Apple do this. I think the answer to that is: of course they can. The second, more difficult question, is would they chose to do this in a mid-cycle update (i.e., between major whole number releases): I think the answer is "probably not". Unlike Night Shift, which changes screen tone relatively subtly and uniformly, Dark Mode would be both a pretty significant change.as well as one that would mesh well with the introduction of OLED screens. I don't think Apple would introduce something this radical midstream like this, when it makes more sense overall to introduce it with the OLED devices.

 

[MacFinnley]

Unlike Night Shift, which changes screen tone relatively subtly and uniformly, Dark Mode would be both a pretty significant change.as well as one that would mesh well with the introduction of OLED screens. I don't think Apple would introduce something this radical midstream like this, when it makes more sense overall to introduce it with the OLED devices.

I agree. But this would mean, that "theatre mode" isn't a full dark mode. But what could it be, then?

 

[GreyOS]

I agree. But this would mean, that "theatre mode" isn't a full dark mode. But what could it be, then?

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-adv.htm&r=36&p=1&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&S1=(apple.ASNM.+AND+20120828.PD.)&OS=an/apple+and+isd/8/28/2012&RS=(AN/apple+AND+ISD/20120828)
"For example, in one variant, a template for a movie theater ("Movie Theater") might contain the following policies: (i) disable audible ringer; (ii) vibrating mode enabled (low); (iii) no wakeup for incoming calls or text messages; and (iv) display enabled for "dim" mode only."

it could also disable the camera, disallow music playback (accidents happen), etc.

just one possibility

 

[Frankied22]

You guys are way overthinking this dark mode thing. It would not be difficult for Apple to allow certain stock apps such as iMessage, Calendar, Photos, Apple Music, Apple News, and TV to switch to a dark theme with a tap of a dark mode button in CC. Saying that it would be too technical or difficult is absurd. Just look at all the third party apps that provide dark modes. It is not rocket science and I am sure a billion dollar company like Apple could make it work.

 

[chekz0414]

You guys are way overthinking this dark mode thing. It would not be difficult for Apple to allow certain stock apps such as iMessage, Calendar, Photos, Apple Music, Apple News, and TV to switch to a dark theme with a tap of a dark mode button in CC. Saying that it would be too technical or difficult is absurd. Just look at all the third party apps that provide dark modes. It is not rocket science and I am sure a billion dollar company like Apple could make it work.

I agree. tvOS has this, and macOS has a piece of this. iOS should be next to do this; and not just that it should be the first to fully take advantage and use it effectively. Yes preparation for the new iPhone but also to give us a feature worth the incentive of 10.3 Night Shift and Password protected Notes was a great deal on 9.3 a year ago. Dark Mode, and perhaps Password protected Photos and Messages app would be a good follow up.

 

[thadoggfather]

Didn't think about that,

That both tvOS and macOS have it, good points

IOS imminent, be it 10.3 or 11.0

 

[GreyOS]

Didn't think about that,

That both tvOS and macOS have it, good points

IOS imminent, be it 10.3 or 11.0

Problem is, for many it's been 'imminent' since we saw it demo'd on macOS Yosemite mid-2014. Three major iOS updates since then and no such luck.

 

[thadoggfather]

Problem is, for many it's been 'imminent' since we saw it demo'd on macOS Yosemite mid-2014. Three major iOS updates since then and no such luck.

I hear that.

I can't deal, so I didn't. Once iOS 7 jailbreak came out, since then onward did Eclipse that did dark mode.

It's been pure bliss since then,

 

[stevemiller]

For what it's worth, although I would love a nice dark frosted UI similar to private browsing and the previous iOS notification shade, I would be content with simply taking down the harshness of the whites in the current UI. Slightly more muted grey UIs were effective back in the day not out of tech limitations because it's the honest to god best way to make content front and centre.

 

[Joseph C]

People squealing about how IMPOSSIBLE a Dark Mode is need to get a grip. It is really quite simple:

1. Release 10.3 Beta with Theatre Mode toggle which turns stock apps dark/possibly ties to do not disturb or silent feature

2. Release developer API for devs to optionally use

3. Have long beta cycle

4. Public release in Spring (March?)

5. Rave about OLED iPhone 8 making it even better

 

[GreyOS]

People squealing about how IMPOSSIBLE a Dark Mode is need to get a grip. It is really quite simple:

1. Release 10.3 Beta with Theatre Mode toggle which turns stock apps dark/possibly ties to do not disturb or silent feature

2. Release developer API for devs to optionally use

3. Have long beta cycle

4. Public release in Spring (March?)

5. Rave about OLED iPhone 8 making it even better

Nothing no one has already said (and in more detail) but the squealers continue to squeal

 

[CaptMarvel]

..Password protected Photos and Messages app would be a good follow up.

THIS >>> the rumored "Dark Mode"

 

[mous94410]

yes

 

[C DM]

https://twitter.com/taramann/status/822192068416180224

That seems to be more along the lines of what invert colors results in (and/or what is used for the Apple Watch).

 

[GreyOS]

That seems to be more along the lines of what invert colors results in (and/or what is used for the Apple Watch).

have I missed something

 

[C DM]

have I missed something

A link to a tweet that was apparently removed while I was replying: https://twitter.com/taramann/status/822192068416180224