iOS 11 UI design.

[C DM]

The usual deflections, movement of goal posts, straw man, etc.

Either agree or be wrong. No real discussion, just (essentially endless) venting.

 

[Feenician]

Here comes skeuomorphism again. Don't be that person. If you don't have valid arguments to disprove my point, then it's a dead end. I just told you how bad design affects iOS usability and all you have as a counterpoint is f****** leather sticking. How typical.

No, you told me that Apple wouldn't put in design elements without a functional reason. That is wrong. Obviously and provably wrong.

 

[Tozovac]

I'm not missing any point. Feyl said "Why would Apple put things in life that if there wasn't any reason" implying that every design element had a functional reason. It didn't at least none other than "Steve liked ridiculous skeumorphic frippery"

Ha ha ok. Got it. If Jony Ive just got rid of all stitching and brushed leather and stopped there, I don’t think many would have even batted an eye. But it’s an awful dangerous path to go down to require a justification for something or else get rid of it. Heck, why should our phones have such high pixel density and be color? For me personally the existence of stitching caused hardly any issue compared to the issues I often wrestle with from the obliteration of buttons that look like buttons and the hiding or burying of functions behind ellipses and hamburgers in an operating system that’s getting more and more complex and deep with functions at every update.

 

[Feyl]

No, you told me that Apple wouldn't put in design elements without a functional reason. That is wrong. Obviously and provably wrong.

That's right. But I didn't mean visual elements. You people always have that skeuomorphism thing on your mind. I meant how things works. I'm not a fan of leather stitching, but in what way does it hurt your experience in terms of usability and readability of your content? It was just a sticker that was put on something that could work the same with or without it.

 

[Tozovac]

The usual deflections, movement of goal posts, straw man, etc.

Either agree or be wrong. No real discussion, just (essentially endless) venting.

All right, come on buddy! Go up a few posts and look at my request for someone to insert their opinion and explain how the new way of doing things is better than the old, with a side by side screen comparison. Go ahead, do it, I’d love to see it!

 

[Feenician]

That's right. But I didn't mean visual elements. You people always have that skeuomorphism thing on your mind. I meant how things works. I'm not a fan of leather stitching, but in what way does it hurt your experience in terms of usability and readability of your content? It was just a sticker that was put on something that could work the same with or without it.

If you're going to say ridiculous things then don't be surprised when you're called on them.

 

[digitalexplr]

Have any of you considered the fact that there are millions of iPhone users who never used iOS 1-6? And therefore have no issues with current design?

 

[Feenician]

Have any of you considered the fact that there are millions of iPhone users who never used iOS 1-6? And therefore have no issues with current design?

And millions more who have used iOS 1-6 and are anywhere on the scale from indifferent to the newer design language, to prefer it.

No. No, they haven't considered this. For some reason, despite only 3-4 people monotonously bumping the thread for the last year, and having problems finding basic UI elements that have been essentially unchanged for 4+ years, they assume they are correct and in the majority.

 

[Tozovac]

Have any of you considered the fact that there are millions of iPhone users who never used iOS 1-6? And therefore have no issues with current design?

Should the possibility that millions are possibly not realizing the benefits they are missing from an arguably more intuitive and easier to use operating system negate that thought, or be weighed equally with it?

 

[digitalexplr]

Should the fact that millions are possibly not realizing the benefits they are missing from an arguably more intuitive and easier to use operating system negate that thought, or be weighed equally with it?

That makes absolutely no sense!

 

[Tozovac]

That makes absolutely no sense!

No. No, they haven't considered this. For some reason, despite only 3-4 people monotonously bumping the thread for the last year, and having problems finding basic UI elements that have been essentially unchanged for 4+ years, they assume they are correct and in the majority.

OK I'll simplify it. Feenician, no, no you're wrong. I personally have many times wondered whether users who started using iOS at or after iOS7 might benefit from an arguably more-intuitive interface like iOS6. Stopping the conversation at "Have any of you considered the fact that there are millions of iPhone users who never used iOS 1-6? And therefore have no issues with current design?" and not including the counterpoint of "could those new users be missing out on something they'd like better" is being short-sighted.

 

[iSayBoourns]

That makes absolutely no sense!

Just don’t bother with these guys. They won’t listen to anything and keep pushing their opinions as fact.

They “claim” to want to hear counter arguments, but we all know that they will just return with a “nope! You’re wrong!!”.

Best to just place them on ignore and move on, just like many have with iOS UI.

 

[Feenician]

OK I'll simplify it. Feenician, no, no you're wrong. I personally have many times wondered whether users who started using iOS at or after iOS7 might benefit from an arguably more-intuitive interface like iOS6. Stopping the conversation at "Have any of you considered the fact that there are millions of iPhone users who never used iOS 1-6? And therefore have no issues with current design?" and not including the counterpoint of "could those new users be missing out on something they'd like better" is being short-sighted.

The answer is entirely inconsequential. There is no going back.

BTW how did the strawman poll you set up go?

 

[Tozovac]

They “claim” to want to hear counter arguments, but we all know that they will just return with a “nope! You’re wrong!!”.

Ha ha are you kidding me? Take a shot at my blatant request to hear others' opinions how the new way of going things is better than the old, I'm a big boy, I'll listen! Let me help you:

iOS 11 UI design.

 

[iSayBoourns]

Ha ha are you kidding me? Take a shot at my blatant request to hear others' opinions how the new way of going things is better than the old, I'm a big boy, I'll listen! Let me help you:

iOS 11 UI design.

Not going to waste my time because it’ll all fall on def ears. You’re so dead set on pushing your opinions of the UI you can’t even accept people are not willing to bother with you anymore.

Goodbye

 

[Tozovac]

The answer is entirely inconsequential. There is no going back.

BTW how did the strawman poll you set up go?

Actually I'd tend to say there will be a going back once this fad passes. iOS 11 is slowly undoing some minimization aspects from the last few years of a disaster of a UI, even if they keep playing practical jokes on users with things like the new podcast app.

As for the poll, about 75% dislike the rather-noticed minimization that Apple is leaning on so hard today. Not surprising to me.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...d-annually-reworke-uis.2077302/#post-25213792
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Not going to waste my time because it’ll all fall on def ears. You’re so dead set on pushing your opinions of the UI you can’t even accept people are not willing to bother with you anymore.

Goodbye

I figured, take the easy way out. Nobody seems to have the ability to even attempt justifying why the old way of doing things was broken or needing improved when viewed side by side, or how the new way is arguably better and not just different. Well, see you for now, until next time!

 

[iSayBoourns]

I figured, take the easy way out. Nobody seems to have the ability to even attempt justifying why the old way of doing things was broken or needing improved when viewed side by side, or how the new way is arguably better and not just different. Well, see you for now, until next time!

It’s not the easy way out. It’s the smart way out. No one active in this thread will bother entertaining your request, because they also realize exactly what I’ve been saying. You and your pals dismiss literally everything, say they’re wrong, no matter what. You are not open for a proper discussion. You just want to push your views and “convert” people to your ideology.

This the last time I’ll be replying to this thread. Please contact your local trophie shop and have the most extravagant trophy made for yourself to put on your shelf.

 

[Feyl]

If you're going to say ridiculous things then don't be surprised when you're called on them.

Meanwhile, you've said nothing on the topic and keep nagging about how stupid I am.

 

[simonsi]

Should the fact that millions are possibly not realizing the benefits they are missing from an arguably more intuitive and easier to use operating system negate that thought, or be weighed equally with it?

So if an Apple tree falls in the forest but no-one is there does it still make a sound? You've quite misused the word "fact" in your statement based on the other words you have there..."possibly", "arguably" etc...

 

[Tozovac]

It’s not the easy way out. It’s the smart way out. No one active in this thread will bother entertaining your request, because they also realize exactly what I’ve been saying. You and your pals dismiss literally everything, say they’re wrong, no matter what. You are not open for a proper discussion. You just want to push your views and “convert” people to your ideology.

This the last time I’ll be replying to this thread. Please contact your local trophie shop and have the most extravagant trophy made for yourself to put on your shelf.

Well that’s interesting. I have enough strength in my beliefs to put up with any critiques of my opinions. I’m assuming you believe that the current way of doing things is better than the prior way, and should be willing to stand up to it even if I were to say boo to it. I have more than once admitted I’m wrong when I’m wrong, and I would happily say somebody has a valid point. I just pretty strongly believe it to be very difficult to show side-by-side how the old way had a problem needing fixing, maybe somebody else can try. My only goal here is to displace my belief that iOS 7 to 11 is purely from whims and preferences of a designer and not based on good, solid time tested UI design. If you just like the new way of doing things just because you do, and if you feel I have no valid points behind my beliefs, then so be it.
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So if an Apple tree falls in the forest but no-one is there does it still make a sound? You've quite misused the word "fact" in your statement based on the other words you have there..."possibly", "arguably" etc...

Ok fine I’ll go up and fix it. Are you able to address my request that somebody show side-by-side any broken aspects of the prior way of doing things vs. the minimalist current way of doing things?

I double dog dare you ha ha.

 

[Tozovac]

So if an Apple tree falls in the forest but no-one is there does it still make a sound? You've quite misused the word "fact" in your statement based on the other words you have there..."possibly", "arguably" etc...

Of course, I also could have said: "Should the fact that millions are possibly unaware of UI difference between an iOS1-6 type of OS vs. the simpler/starker iOS7-11 type of UI negate that thought, or be weighed equally with it since they are simply unaware that there was once a different way of doing things that some might have preferred?"

 

[Delgibbons]

As an s7 edge user now I've been through a fair bunch of phone and tablet OS.

I can tell you, the original iOS iPhone I had was silky smooth. Very fast experience. I moved to a Nokia n900 to get the apps and 3g Linux - this was before the App Store was a thing. Then to another Nokia n8, before moving into Samsung Galaxy.

I have always had an apple tablet however. Ipad, ipad 3, ipad mini, ipad mini 2. I remember being wowed by epic citadel. The gfx power! The smoothness!

IOS doesn't feel as fast as it did in the early days. It feels a bit gunked up to me with the widget and notification system feeling a bit tacked on and odd.

Granted the iPad mini 2 is not fast hardware anymore I know and perhaps the experience is better on newer hardware but for me....the original iOS felt seriously impressive on the first iPhone. Perhaps optimisation of software is something Apple needs to look at to get that feeling back.

Responsiveness and speed wise there doesn't feel so much difference between it and Android. Just a thought.

 

[jtara]

Sorry, I skipped pages 2 through 25.... so...

Has anybody pointed out yet that the term "white space" has nothing to do with the background color?

It means unused or open space.

It's originally a term from print.

Few print publications are printed on black paper, so....

"white space"

 

[Tozovac]

Sorry, I skipped pages 2 through 25.... so...

Has anybody pointed out yet that the term "white space" has nothing to do with the background color?

It means unused or open space.

It's originally a term from print.

Few print publications are printed on black paper, so....

"white space"

True. For places where ink usage matters and can be costly, like newspaper or printing on white blank paper at work, it makes an awful lot of sense to keep it simple with print on white paper. How many magazines are all white though? How much more or less costly is it to use colorful, creative borders and buttons and backgrounds on an iOS device like used to be the norm? Other than appealing to someone’s design aesthetic, what is really gained by such a stark white iOS interface with so much unused space, when compared to, say, four years ago when, for many of us, the iOS UI seemed to work much better and much more enjoyably?

 

[wesk702]

iOS 1-3 Same Design
iOS 4-6 Same Design (New dock)
iOS 7-9 Same Design (Complete overhaul)
iOS 10-12 Same Design (New interfaces, see below)

We got our Design change. New lock screen, new Notification Center, new notifications and new control center. iOS 13 will probably bring a 100% overhaul that iOS 7 did. We are in the middle period now.

By 13 they should have the entire iOS line on OLED panels, so I’m hoping they have a nice OS to take advantage of that.