iOS 12 and planned obsolescence

[Radon87000]

And the rest is your opinion and your projections.

For example, the Pixel's camera is clearly inferior to iPhone 8 Plus and X cameras.

https://www.dxomark.com/google-pixel-2-reviewed-sets-new-record-smartphone-camera-quality/

And the speed is awful on the Pixel.

More reasons nobody buys them.

YouTubers are all fake. I was going to watch a video on YouTube, and I got an MKBHD review on the OnePlus, as an "ad".
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I have a video where the iPhone loses to the Google Pixel in the YouTube speed test. As far as YT being fake, we had Phil Schiller tweeting YT speedtests, so how do you know Apple didn't pay for them?

FYI, the Pixel 2 XL beats the Galaxy S8 in speed tests, the same Galaxy S8 which is the top seller on Android. So that cant be the reason people aren't getting the Pixel

Why banks specifically?

Anyway, that's their fault for not contracting competent IT specialists.

I am taking banks as an example because they are the major users of Windows XP.

https://www.americanbanker.com/news/what-banks-should-learn-from-wannacry

The point is not every Windows XP user was affected by WannaCry. So clearly those who were affected were doing something wrong so the fault lies with the user, not the OS. So if people buy a Xiaomi when you have a fully patched Nokia available at the same price, its on the user for doing something wrong.

You have, but I didn't accept them for the reasons I have said here, IIRC.

I don't remember it then but if malware can bypass even the App Store then no point bringing up the same aspect on Android. Malware got past Apple. Period. That's the bottom line.

You don't know that.

Of course I do. I have been tinkering with custom ROMs for years when I was on Android. I know the system inside out.

Face it, the Pixel is a bad phone...

This test is not relevant for me because when I buy a phone, the first thing I do is put a screen protector and a case on them. Also there are variances in build quality from one model to the next. The first iPad Pro I got had a bright spot on the screen. The second iPad Pro had yellow tint. The third iPad Pro was perfect. That doesn't make the iPad Pro a bad device.

When the iPhone was on LCD, it used to take me multiple exchanges before I got one which was perfect.
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Patching and the sales aspect are two different things. If you are implying if people actually cared about security the pixel would be a top seller because it more or less gets timely security updates and since it’s not a top seller ergo people don’t care about security. That not how proofs work. The same flawed debating tactic discussing cost in the next sentence.

Therefore your concluding paragraph is a non-sequitor winced it’s based on flawed logic.

People know Samsung do not update their devices on time. People still choose Huawei and Xiaomi when they have Android One devices at the same price point. The customers aren't idiots. If Samsung and the other companies are still managing to win over Google and Nokia, then maybe this security stuff isn't as important to users on Android as iOS users think it to be and they are doing something right. Its nothing but an excuse.

Sales reflect what people want as iOS users have been yelling from the rooftop and if that is to be believed, no one on Android cares about security. Money talks after all.

 

[TimmeyCook]

https://www.dxomark.com/google-pixel-2-reviewed-sets-new-record-smartphone-camera-quality/

The iPhone X got a better test result.

It would have a better score if DXO would cut the crap and used 4K at 60 fps, they did test the "VIDEO" part at 1080p 30 fps, under what excuse?

https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-x-top-performer-stills/

I have a video where the iPhone loses to the Google Pixel in the YouTube speed test. As far as YT being fake, we had Phil Schiller tweeting YT speedtests, so how do you know Apple didn't pay for them?

Phil Schiller does it's thing right, when Apple wins, he retweets, when Apple loses, he doesn't.

What's wrong with that?

Because sooner or later, YouTuber are going to ask money from the competitors, what a better way to get that sweet money besides making Apple look really good?

That's what he did.

FYI, the Pixel 2 XL beats the Galaxy S8 in speed tests, the same Galaxy S8 which is the top seller on Android. So that cant be the reason people aren't getting the Pixel

Again, I do not believe in those speed tests.

If you do, fine, but I don't share that opinion.

I am taking banks as an example because they are the major users of Windows XP.

https://www.americanbanker.com/news/what-banks-should-learn-from-wannacry

Okay, but that's their problem.

Again, one more reason why you should update your systems.

The point is not every Windows XP user was affected by WannaCry. So clearly those who were affected were doing something wrong so the fault lies with the user, not the OS. So if people buy a Xiaomi when you have a fully patched Nokia available at the same price, its on the user for doing something wrong.

That's like a manufacturer making a tyre that doesn't work under the rain, and calling the user stupid because he drove under rain, and the tyre doesn't work with rain. That would be okay if the tyre specifically says it's no good for rain, but the tyre doesn't say that.

I don't remember it then but if malware can bypass even the App Store then no point bringing up the same aspect on Android. Malware got past Apple. Period. That's the bottom line.

No, they didn't.

Because even if they pass throught the AppStore, and they can, they can't pass through iOS's security features, like Sandboxing.

This test is not relevant for me because when I buy a phone, the first thing I do is put a screen protector and a case on them. Also there are variances in build quality from one model to the next. The first iPad Pro I got had a bright spot on the screen. The second iPad Pro had yellow tint. The third iPad Pro was perfect. That doesn't make the iPad Pro a bad device.

But you are the one that trusts the YouTubers.

You need to accept the test, in my understanding, either you trust them, or not.

Yes, there are variances between unit and the other, but not structural or material differences like that.

When the iPhone was on LCD, it used to take me multiple exchanges before I got one which was perfect.

Blame the LCD manufacturer (they used Samsung, for example for LCDs too)

People know Samsung do not update their devices on time. People still choose Huawei and Xiaomi when they have Android One devices at the same price point. The customers aren't idiots. If Samsung and the other companies are still managing to win over Google and Nokia, then maybe this security stuff isn't as important to users on Android as iOS users think it to be and they are doing something right. Its nothing but an excuse.

Or maybe they are misinformed.

Some people also think negatively of Apple, for things that they aren't (in my opinion).

Sales reflect what people want as iOS users have been yelling from the rooftop and if that is to be believed, no one on Android cares about security. Money talks after all.

I don't understand this part.

Do you realize that Apple is gaining costumers as of lately? At least on iOS devices?

 

[I7guy]

https://www.dxomark.com/google-pixel-2-reviewed-sets-new-record-smartphone-camera-quality/



I have a video where the iPhone loses to the Google Pixel in the YouTube speed test. As far as YT being fake, we had Phil Schiller tweeting YT speedtests, so how do you know Apple didn't pay for them?

FYI, the Pixel 2 XL beats the Galaxy S8 in speed tests, the same Galaxy S8 which is the top seller on Android. So that cant be the reason people aren't getting the Pixel



I am taking banks as an example because they are the major users of Windows XP.

https://www.americanbanker.com/news/what-banks-should-learn-from-wannacry

The point is not every Windows XP user was affected by WannaCry. So clearly those who were affected were doing something wrong so the fault lies with the user, not the OS. So if people buy a Xiaomi when you have a fully patched Nokia available at the same price, its on the user for doing something wrong.





I don't remember it then but if malware can bypass even the App Store then no point bringing up the same aspect on Android. Malware got past Apple. Period. That's the bottom line.





Of course I do. I have been tinkering with custom ROMs for years when I was on Android. I know the system inside out.




This test is not relevant for me because when I buy a phone, the first thing I do is put a screen protector and a case on them. Also there are variances in build quality from one model to the next. The first iPad Pro I got had a bright spot on the screen. The second iPad Pro had yellow tint. The third iPad Pro was perfect. That doesn't make the iPad Pro a bad device.

When the iPhone was on LCD, it used to take me multiple exchanges before I got one which was perfect.
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People know Samsung do not update their devices on time. People still choose Huawei and Xiaomi when they have Android One devices at the same price point. The customers aren't idiots. If Samsung and the other companies are still managing to win over Google and Nokia, then maybe this security stuff isn't as important to users on Android as iOS users think it to be and they are doing something right. Its nothing but an excuse.

Sales reflect what people want as iOS users have been yelling from the rooftop and if that is to be believed, no one on Android cares about security. Money talks after all.

Does pixel lose to iPhone in the video encoding test? How about the floating point benchmarks? Etc.

That Samsung sent your photos to your contacts randomaly is not the same thing as “malware got past Apple”. Period.

“Test is not relevant to you”. That’s exactly what I believe when I see these YT videos showing serial app openings.

When one purchases a device ymmv. I’ve never had to return any iPhone for a defect.

 

[TimmeyCook]

Does pixel lose to iPhone in the video encoding test? How about the floating point benchmarks? Etc.

That Samsung sent your photos to your contacts randomaly is not the same thing as “malware got past Apple”. Period.

“Test is not relevant to you”. That’s exactly what I believe when I see these YT videos showing serial app openings.

When one purchases a device ymmv. I’ve never had to return any iPhone for a defect.

This is a "fine" one from DXO, in their iPhone X "review", believe it or not:

So, are people stupid enough that they can't go to the settings screen, and set the video settings to what they want?

It's incredible because if Apple put 4K at 60p by default, they would complain that Apple wants you to fill their memory faster, and they are "locking you" to their "proprietary codec" (HEVC).

 

[Radon87000]

The iPhone X got a better test result.

It would have a better score if DXO would cut the crap and used 4K at 60 fps, they did test the "VIDEO" part at 1080p 30 fps, under what excuse?

https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-x-top-performer-stills/

You take up your beef with them. I look at the final score

Phil Schiller does it's thing right, when Apple wins, he retweets, when Apple loses, he doesn't.

What's wrong with that?

So these YT videos are not fake when Apple wins but are fake when Apple loses? Because clearly considering the fact Samsung was paying those YouTubers should mean Apple executives should not tweet them in any scenario

Okay, but that's their problem.

Finally we agree. So we can agree those who were infected by that bank malware on Android have no one to blame but themselves for buying an insecure phone. I could go to China and buy a Windows XP notebook there and then cry to the world that I am infected. That does not make it Microsoft's fault.

That's like a manufacturer making a tyre that doesn't work under the rain, and calling the user stupid because he drove under rain, and the tyre doesn't work with rain. That would be okay if the tyre specifically says it's no good for rain, but the tyre doesn't say that.

Of course the tyre says it does. Its common knowledge on Android that system updates and security updates are only timely for Google's phones.

No, they didn't.

Because even if they pass throught the AppStore, and they can, they can't pass through iOS's security features, like Sandboxing.

https://us.norton.com/internetsecur...nfects-millions-of-apple-store-customers.html

"Once the user downloads the infected app, this particular piece of malicious code uploads the device and app information to its command and control (C2) server. The attacker can send commands through this command and control server, telling it to perform actions such as:

• Creating fake phishing alerts to steal your username and password
• Reading and writing data on your device’s clipboard, which could uncover your password if it is copied from a password management tool
• Hijacking your browser to open specific URLs, which could lead to being able to take advantage of existing bugs in the iOS system, or other iOS apps"

But you are the one that trusts the YouTubers.

You need to accept the test, in my understanding, either you trust them, or not.

Yes, there are variances between unit and the other, but not structural or material differences like that.

Where did I say the test was fake? I accepted the test. I am saying the test is not relevant because who buys a $1000 phone to torture test it? My X is water resistant. Do I have the courage to dip it in a bucket of water and test it?

To summarise that video;

BREAKING NEWS: PHONES SCRATCH WHEN A KNIFE IS USED ON THEM.

Blame the LCD manufacturer (they used Samsung, for example for LCDs too)

Apple's LCD displays are made by Japan Display. Also some iOS fans here like to credit Apple for iPhone X's best display. So if Apple is credited for that display, Apple is also responsible for the flaws on its displays.

Or maybe they are misinformed.

Some people also think negatively of Apple, for things that they aren't (in my opinion).



I don't understand this part.

Do you realize that Apple is gaining costumers as of lately? At least on iOS devices?

No one is misinformed when spending 1k on a smartphone. That's not pocket change.

Android and iOS both gain and lose customers to each other frequently. Not news. We also have customers like me who buy both.
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Does pixel lose to iPhone in the video encoding test? How about the floating point benchmarks? Etc.

But they can be manipulated

That Samsung sent your photos to your contacts randomaly is not the same thing as “malware got past Apple”. Period.

Why did those customers gie permission to the Samsung app to access their photo manager? Its on them.

At least Samsung did not lie and throttle phones secretly. That's a bigger crime in my eyes.

 

[I7guy]

You take up your beef with them. I look at the final score





So these YT videos are not fake when Apple wins but are fake when Apple loses? Because clearly considering the fact Samsung was paying those YouTubers should mean Apple executives should not tweet them in any scenario




Finally we agree. So we can agree those who were infected by that bank malware on Android have no one to blame but themselves for buying an insecure phone. I could go to China and buy a Windows XP notebook there and then cry to the world that I am infected. That does not make it Microsoft's fault.







Of course the tyre says it does. Where were timely security updates and system updates advertised for those
phones? Its common knowledge on Android that system updates and security updates are only timely for Google's phones.




https://us.norton.com/internetsecur...nfects-millions-of-apple-store-customers.html

"Once the user downloads the infected app, this particular piece of malicious code uploads the device and app information to its command and control (C2) server. The attacker can send commands through this command and control server, telling it to perform actions such as:

• Creating fake phishing alerts to steal your username and password
• Reading and writing data on your device’s clipboard, which could uncover your password if it is copied from a password management tool
• Hijacking your browser to open specific URLs, which could lead to being able to take advantage of existing bugs in the iOS system, or other iOS apps"

Where did I say the test was fake? I accepted the test. I am saying the test is not relevant because who buys a $1000 phone to torture test it? My X is water resistant. Do I have the courage to dip it in a bucket of water and test it?

To summarise that video;

BREAKING NEWS: PHONES SCRATCH WHEN A KNIFE IS USED ON THEM.





Apple's LCD displays are made by Japan Display. Also some iOS fans here like to credit Apple for iPhone X's best display. So if Apple is credited for that display, Apple is also responsible for the flaws on its displays.





No one is misinformed when spending 1k on a smartphone. That's not pocket change.

Android and iOS both gain and lose customers to each other frequently. Not news. We also have customers like me who buy both.
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But they can be manipulated



Why did those customers gie permission to the Samsung app to access their photo manager? Its on them.

At least Samsung did not lie and throttle phones secretly. That's a bigger crime in my eyes.

the galaxy surreptitiously sending photos to random contacts equals downloading an infected app from the App Store that Apple has since removed? Answer. Only if making some vague generalization would that be the case.

And since the subject of manipulation has been brought up, what makes you think dxomark wasn’t manipulated. After all distrust abounds with these tests./s

 

[Radon87000]

the galaxy surreptitiously sending photos to random contacts equals downloading an infected app from the App Store that Apple has since removed? Answer. Only if making some vague generalization would that be the case.

We have been through this. Samsung is not responsible for TMobile's update.

When I downloaded the April 2018 update on my laptop, my PC was facing a black screen due to incompatiblity with an older NVIDIA driver. So now that's Microsoft's fault?

 

[I7guy]

We have been through this. Samsung is not responsible for TMobile's update.

When I downloaded the April 2018 update on my laptop, my PC was facing a black screen due to incompatiblity with an older NVIDIA driver. So now that's Microsoft's fault?

If Samsung is not responsible for T-Mobile updates, Apple isn’t responsible for infected apps. Works both ways. Except in once case Apple deals with it, and the second case photos keep being sent out the door.

 

[Radon87000]

If Samsung is not responsible for T-Mobile updates, Apple isn’t responsible for infected apps. Works both ways. Except in once case Apple deals with it, and the second case photos keep being sent out the door.

Apple is as responsible as Samsung in infected apps. But I don't hold Samsung responsible for the bug nor do I hold Apple responsible for those shady apps because bugs are unavoidable . Also Samsung fixed the problem just like Apple did with the infected apps.

 

[I7guy]

Apple is as responsible as Samsung in infected apps. But I don't hold Samsung responsible for the bug nor do I hold Apple responsible for those shady apps because bugs are unavoidable . Also Samsung fixed the problem just like Apple did with the infected apps.

To me it’s the patchwork of android that resulted in this. Samsung and google are responsible. I dont hold Apple responsible for the infected apps. You can’t catch everything; ask Microsoft.

 

[Radon87000]

To me it’s the patchwork of android that resulted in this. Samsung and google are responsible. I dont hold Apple responsible for the infected apps. You can’t catch everything; ask Microsoft.

I don't hold Samsung responsible as the users specifically agreed to give the Samsung app access to the photos.

 

[I7guy]

I don't hold Samsung responsible as the users specifically agreed to give the Samsung app access to the photos.

I hold Samsung responsible. I guess different perspectives.

 

[TimmeyCook]

I don't hold Samsung responsible as the users specifically agreed to give the Samsung app access to the photos.

Does the App ask the users first?

Does the App ask the user if it's okay to send their photos to random contacts?

 

[FFR]

I don't hold Samsung responsible as the users specifically agreed to give the Samsung app access to the photos.

Not a big surprise there. You didnt think it was Samsung’s fault when the note 7’s were exploding either.

 

[TimmeyCook]

Didn't notice your reply, replying now

You take up your beef with them. I look at the final score

So you are ignoring the fact that they did use 1080/30 in the iPhone X test, and they could easily use 4k?

So these YT videos are not fake when Apple wins but are fake when Apple loses? Because clearly considering the fact Samsung was paying those YouTubers should mean Apple executives should not tweet them in any scenario

1. No, I'm not. They are ALL fake. Even when Apple wins, in my opinion, because the YouTuber is trying to fish Samsung/whatever money

2. I'm supporting the cynical Phil Schiller because that's the right way to do it! They are liars, so why not kick the medium in the way you can?

Finally we agree. So we can agree those who were infected by that bank malware on Android have no one to blame but themselves for buying an insecure phone. I could go to China and buy a Windows XP notebook there and then cry to the world that I am infected. That does not make it Microsoft's fault.

We are always agreeing.

But if Microsoft (Google) fixes the problem, and the OEM of your laptop (Samsung) doesn't provide you the fix. It's the OEM fault.

Of course the tyre says it does. Its common knowledge on Android that system updates and security updates are only timely for Google's phones.

Then they should say it to the user before they buy.

https://us.norton.com/internetsecur...nfects-millions-of-apple-store-customers.html

"Once the user downloads the infected app, this particular piece of malicious code uploads the device and app information to its command and control (C2) server. The attacker can send commands through this command and control server, telling it to perform actions such as:

• Creating fake phishing alerts to steal your username and password
• Reading and writing data on your device’s clipboard, which could uncover your password if it is copied from a password management tool
• Hijacking your browser to open specific URLs, which could lead to being able to take advantage of existing bugs in the iOS system, or other iOS apps"

Yes, and that was NOT an iOS problem, the fault was on developers that downloaded a fake version of Xcode that had malware.

As you said before, if you do the wrong, you can't blame the company.

Where did I say the test was fake? I accepted the test. I am saying the test is not relevant because who buys a $1000 phone to torture test it? My X is water resistant. Do I have the courage to dip it in a bucket of water and test it?

To summarise that video;

BREAKING NEWS: PHONES SCRATCH WHEN A KNIFE IS USED ON THEM.

That's not the point.

Watch the end of the video.

Apple's LCD displays are made by Japan Display. Also some iOS fans here like to credit Apple for iPhone X's best display. So if Apple is credited for that display, Apple is also responsible for the flaws on its displays.

No, Apple has various display sources, including Japan Display, AU Optronics, Samsung, etc.

No one is misinformed when spending 1k on a smartphone. That's not pocket change.

Android and iOS both gain and lose customers to each other frequently. Not news. We also have customers like me who buy both.

OK

At least Samsung did not lie and throttle phones secretly. That's a bigger crime in my eyes.

Not in mine, and Apple is in court about that and they'll probably win.

 

[JohnnyW2K1]

Quote of the thread:

TimmeyCook: [On YouTube videos] "They are ALL fake."

And yet WE'RE the "conspiracy theorists"...!

 

[TimmeyCook]

Quote of the thread:

TimmeyCook: [On YouTube videos] "They are ALL fake."

And yet WE'RE the "conspiracy theorists"...!

Yeah, who pays them?

 

[JohnnyW2K1]

Yeah, who pays them?

The only people who pay are those that ADVERTISE on the video. Are you unclear on how YouTube works?

 

[TimmeyCook]

The only people who pay those that ADVERTISE on the video. Are you unclear on how YouTube works?

No, who pays their check?

 

[JohnnyW2K1]

No, who pays their check?

According to you, it's Samsung: "They are ALL fake. Even when Apple wins, in my opinion, because the YouTuber is trying to fish Samsung/whatever money."

 

[TimmeyCook]

According to you, it's Samsung: "They are ALL fake. Even when Apple wins, in my opinion, because the YouTuber is trying to fish Samsung/whatever money."

No, it's Google who gives them money, determines which videos will show ads, which ads will be shown on those videos and etc.

It's also Google who determines the videos that are shown to people when they search for "iPhone 8 review", for example.

Also, those YouTubers are regularly sponsored by OnePlus, iFixit, Samsung, etc. etc. etc.

Why some YouTubers receive review units from some products, and others don't?

Do you think that's naive?

Do you think when a YouTuber says sh__ about one brand, they'll receive review units?

Do you think review units aren't like gold for YouTubers, because that allows them to make their most viewed videos, and therefore generate lots of money?

You don't need to reply. We both know the answers to these questions.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Look I really don’t think planned obsolescence and Apple can be used in the same sentence. This is a company that supports the majority of their devices for at least 5 years. Hell we have the iPhone 5S which is going to be supported for 6 years.

Let’s to do a comparison. I bought an iPad mini 4 in January of this year. By that point the mini 4 was already 3.5 years old. It runs the latest version of iOS and will be getting iOS 12 and most likely iOS 13. So will most likely be supported until the fall of 2020 and at the very least until the fall of 2019.

The galaxy tab S 8.4 and the nexus 9 were both released in 2014, the same year as the mini 4. Neither run the latest version of android. The tab S 8.4 runs android marshmallow which was released in 2015. It is not going to receive any more updates. The nexus 9 is running android nougat (2016) and it too will not receive anymore updates. So we have the iPad mini 4 that is running the latest version of iOS and will get a further two software updates and 2 flagship android tablets released at the same time, both of which are running 1-2 years old software and will never be updated again.

Even worse stats: my mini will be supported through until the fall of 2020. It was bought in 2014. I bought a Samsung galaxy S9 plus a few weeks ago. It will be supported until 2020. That’s it. So a device that is 4 years older will receive the same length of support as a device that was released 4 years later.

 

[Radon87000]

Look I really don’t think planned obsolescence and Apple can be used in the same sentence. This is a company that supports the majority of their devices for at least 5 years. Hell we have the iPhone 5S which is going to be supported for 6 years.

Let’s to do a comparison. I bought an iPad mini 4 in January of this year. By that point the mini 4 was already 3.5 years old. It runs the latest version of iOS and will be getting iOS 12 and most likely iOS 13. So will most likely be supported until the fall of 2020 and at the very least until the fall of 2019.

The galaxy tab S 8.4 and the nexus 9 were both released in 2014, the same year as the mini 4. Neither run the latest version of android. The tab S 8.4 runs android marshmallow which was released in 2015. It is not going to receive any more updates. The nexus 9 is running android nougat (2016) and it too will not receive anymore updates. So we have the iPad mini 4 that is running the latest version of iOS and will get a further two software updates and 2 flagship android tablets released at the same time, both of which are running 1-2 years old software and will never be updated again.

Even worse stats: my mini will be supported through until the fall of 2020. It was bought in 2014. I bought a Samsung galaxy S9 plus a few weeks ago. It will be supported until 2020. That’s it. So a device that is 4 years older will receive the same length of support as a device that was released 4 years later.

The issue is these updates slow down the phone

https://9to5mac.com/2018/06/05/ios-12-speed-test-heres-how-fast-ios-12-runs-on-older-devices/

"I asked on Twitter what people’s first impressions were of using iOS 12 on older hardware and the results were unanimously positive, with several people echoing the sentiment that it actually makes their old devices usable again:"

https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...versus-ios-12-on-the-iphone-6-and-ipad-mini-2

This first iOS 12 beta breathed new life into our iPad mini 2, which was almost unbearable to use under OS 11

https://www.fastcompany.com/40580851/ios-12-is-designed-to-improve-performance-on-older-phones

Traditionally, older devices have suffered from new iOS updates, but iOS 12 will actually improve performance rather than decrease it. All that also means your older iPad won’t suddenly be unusable when you update.

https://mashable.com/2018/06/25/ios-12-public-beta-preview-hands-on/#KPLHhkYDkaqQ

Historically, the worst thing about updating your iPhone or iPad to the latest version of iOS is that it almost invariably operates slower. Whether it's an older processor that can't keep up or an insufficient amount of RAM, new updates often slow old hardware to the point where you're worse off, no matter how many new features there may be.


Prior to Ios 12 several of these older devices were unusable. Apple's updates wouldnt be a problem if every update was like iOS 12. The main problem is updates like iOS 12 are the exception rather than the norm

 

[C DM]

Prior to Ios 12 several of these older devices were unusable. Apple's updates wouldnt be a problem if every update was like iOS 12. The main problem is updates like iOS 12 are the exception rather than the norm

None of which implies, let alone actually proves or at least even demonstrates, a long standing malicious conspiracy.

 

[Shanghaichica]

The issue is these updates slow down the phone

https://9to5mac.com/2018/06/05/ios-12-speed-test-heres-how-fast-ios-12-runs-on-older-devices/

"I asked on Twitter what people’s first impressions were of using iOS 12 on older hardware and the results were unanimously positive, with several people echoing the sentiment that it actually makes their old devices usable again:"

https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...versus-ios-12-on-the-iphone-6-and-ipad-mini-2

This first iOS 12 beta breathed new life into our iPad mini 2, which was almost unbearable to use under OS 11

https://www.fastcompany.com/40580851/ios-12-is-designed-to-improve-performance-on-older-phones

Traditionally, older devices have suffered from new iOS updates, but iOS 12 will actually improve performance rather than decrease it. All that also means your older iPad won’t suddenly be unusable when you update.

https://mashable.com/2018/06/25/ios-12-public-beta-preview-hands-on/#KPLHhkYDkaqQ

Historically, the worst thing about updating your iPhone or iPad to the latest version of iOS is that it almost invariably operates slower. Whether it's an older processor that can't keep up or an insufficient amount of RAM, new updates often slow old hardware to the point where you're worse off, no matter how many new features there may be.


Prior to Ios 12 several of these older devices were unusable. Apple's updates wouldnt be a problem if every update was like iOS 12. The main problem is updates like iOS 12 are the exception rather than the norm

I think we all have different opinions of what’s usable. My iPad mini 4 on iOS 11 is certainly useable. It’s not as fast as my iPad Pro 10.5 or iPhone X but I don’t have any issues with it.

Also iOS 12 is still in beta so it’s better to wait for the final version to come out before making judgements.

Also some people for whatever reasons are primed to expect it to not run well so whether it does or not you will still get the same people moaning about their devices being slowed down. We have people that keep their devices on older os versions because they feel that their device will slow down if they update.